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STAC Goat posted:While I ultimately voted for Nixon for a variety of reasons I think she was a pretty poor candidate and wouldn't stand much of a chance against Schumer even without any "machine" stuff. AOC is gonna have a lot of people to primary in 2022
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The Glumslinger posted:AOC is gonna have a lot of people to primary in 2022
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Nov 10, 2018 07:04
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I like AOC well enough but she'll have a full term and reelection before then to really prove herself as more than just a good upstart. I'm certainly hopeful.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:04
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Nov 10, 2018 07:06
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Yinlock posted:i wonder why that is Democrats are loving rabid about... investigating crimes against America? LOCK 'EM UP!
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Nov 10, 2018 07:07
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Honestly, its just going to be very funny/frustrating over how much people Chaffetz, Gowdy, and all the other retired and defeated Congressmen on Fox News complain about all the partisan investigations the next couple of years. I'm gonna yell "BENGHAZI!" a lot.
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STAC Goat posted:Honestly, its just going to be very funny/frustrating over how much people Chaffetz, Gowdy, and all the other retired and defeated Congressmen on Fox News complain about all the partisan investigations the next couple of years. They will whine, complain and make poo poo up until the cows come home and no-one on the left should give two shits about what the right has to say anymore. They are the boy who cried wolf, but maliciously.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:11
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:AOC's gonna have a primary challenger in 2020 herself, fully backed by the DCCC and various NY shitbirds. I know it's fun to believe, but the Democratic establishment isn't going to purposefully gently caress itself out of a Presidential election by attacking a single house member who happens to be a darling of the left.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:12
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I think AOC should stay in the lower chamber for several election cycles, build her fundraising base, gain political experience and expand her understanding of major issues before running for a Senate seat. The stakes for Senate seats are much higher, after all.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:14
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Ego-bot posted:I know it's fun to believe, but the Democratic establishment isn't going to purposefully gently caress itself out of a Presidential election by attacking a single house member who happens to be a darling of the left. Instead they’re going to have her speak at the DNC convention
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Nov 10, 2018 07:15
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enraged_camel posted:I think AOC should stay in the lower chamber for several election cycles, build her fundraising base, gain political experience and expand her understanding of major issues before running for a Senate seat. The stakes for Senate seats are much higher, after all. The average age of the senate is 62. Maybe they should stop waiting so many election cycles before running for senate.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:16
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enraged_camel posted:I think AOC should stay in the lower chamber for several election cycles, build her fundraising base, gain political experience and expand her understanding of major issues before running for a Senate seat. The stakes for Senate seats are much higher, after all. So in addition to the majority of Americans being represented by a small number of Senators, those Senators should be limited to olds so young people have even less representation.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:18
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theblackw0lf posted:Instead they’re going to have her speak at the DNC convention unironically a good idea
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GreyjoyBastard posted:unironically a good idea What’s that...no, Alexandria, no! Don’t sing “Fight Song!” Did Neera tell you to do that?!
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Nov 10, 2018 07:22
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RandomBlue posted:The average age of the senate is 62. Maybe they should stop waiting so many election cycles before running for senate. She's 28. She has a little time to build up a resume before social security kicks in.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:23
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RandomBlue posted:The average age of the senate is 62. Maybe they should stop waiting so many election cycles before running for senate. I mean I hate to be a wet blanket but I don't think enraged_camel is wrong. AOC is only 28. Even if she stayed in the House for 3 terms, she still wouldn't be eligible to run for President yet. She could afford to consolidate power for awhile.
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STAC Goat posted:She's 28. She has a little time to build up a resume before social security kicks in. That's what our current senators thought too.
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean I hate to be a wet blanket but I don't think enraged_camel is wrong. AOC is only 28. Even if she stayed in the House for 3 terms, she still wouldn't be eligible to run for President yet. She could afford to consolidate power for awhile. Ewww, get off me with your wet blanket, that's nasty.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:25
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Pleads posted:So in addition to the majority of Americans being represented by a small number of Senators, those Senators should be limited to olds so young people have even less representation. Eh, I don't think that's what he's saying at all. It's just hard to win statewide elections, you've gotta actually build up influence for a run at the senate to be realistic. We should definitely try to get younger people in the Senate.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:26
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While Majority Leader is a innately powerful position due to calendar control, the senate leadership actually has less control over the action of any particular senator. There's less of them, and they're usually a big fish in their home state. Whatever you think of Schumer's politics, the man has been objectively good at trying to advance the Democratic agenda from a position of weakness.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:27
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RandomBlue posted:Ewww, get off me with your wet blanket, that's nasty.  King of Solomon posted:Eh, I don't think that's what he's saying at all. It's just hard to win statewide elections, you've gotta actually build up influence for a run at the senate to be realistic. We should definitely try to get younger people in the Senate. I mean tbh we should actually abolish the Senate.
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Schumer telling Manchin to lay low and stay quiet is a key part of why the Kavanaugh nomination was such a success for the Democrats. Oh, also, the Kavanaugh nomination was objectively the best you reasonably hope for from the Democrats or a hypothetical communist party in the minority. Schumer good.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:31
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Squalid posted:I'm not sure why people see this as trolling, I think there's a certain kind of person who can't distinguish an argument about facts and evidence from moral/political statements. This is the same thread where people argued whether it was right to threaten children with harm
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Nov 10, 2018 07:32
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I would like less senior citizens in politics and am hopeful towards Ocasio-Cortez' political future. But maybe she should get sworn in to her first elected office before everyone starts plotting out her climb up the ladder? Its a very silly and cult of personality idea. She'll have a whole term and re-election bid before it even becomes a real subject of Schumer's challengers. She'll start to build a resume one way or another.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:33
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AOC can afford to be in the House for 4 or 6 years before she eyes a move to the Senate. Jesus guys, we're not saying she should stick around there for the next 20 cycles, just that there are entirely pragmatic reasons she might want to really learn how Washington works, build connections with other politicians, and get some work done that she can point to when she goes for a higher office.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:37
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I know Schumer sucks and his approval ratings in NY are down, but it's really tough to primary a 4-term Senator who also happens to be the minority (maybe majority) leader.Ague Proof posted:MAGAs are completely melting down right now and threatening civil war: At this point Reddit seems like a site that radicalizes people into terrorists.
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Nov 10, 2018 07:38
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SocketWrench posted:This is the same thread where people argued whether it was right to threaten children with harm You mean those 10-20 pages when the thread invented bullshit to argue with each other about re: the Tucker Carlson protest? Everyone involved with that deserved every thing they got and more. Pretty much everyone also agreed any action against kids was horrible bullshit that shouldn't happen but you go right ahead with your garbage.
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Tibalt posted:Schumer telling Manchin to lay low and stay quiet is a key part of why the Kavanaugh nomination was such a success for the Democrats. how exactly was kavanaugh's appointment a success for the dems?
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Nov 10, 2018 07:53
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Tibalt posted:Schumer telling Manchin to lay low and stay quiet is a key part of why the Kavanaugh nomination was such a success for the Democrats. explain how quickly pushing through double digit judges after kavanaugh is a good thing please
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They could have appointed someone boring like Gorsuch and had him shoved through without any bad press but instead they nominated a sex monster and a lot of women- including republican women- were definitely not okay with that. Like there were interviews with women who said they changed to straight ticket D when they were a lifelong R over Kavenaugh. He's a disgusting man who put on a disgusting performance that pretty much the entire country watched live. It mattered.
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Ms Adequate posted:AOC can afford to be in the House for 4 or 6 years before she eyes a move to the Senate. Jesus guys, we're not saying she should stick around there for the next 20 cycles, just that there are entirely pragmatic reasons she might want to really learn how Washington works, build connections with other politicians, and get some work done that she can point to when she goes for a higher office.
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Ego-bot posted:I know it's fun to believe, but the Democratic establishment isn't going to purposefully gently caress itself out of a Presidential election by attacking a single house member who happens to be a darling of the left. 
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All this 'experience' talk comes off to me as just being uncomfortable with someone not from an approved political dynasty or otherwise groomed from early education onwards to be a politician. People talk about America as the country where anyone can be President and then start getting real concerned when someone doesn't follow the unwritten rules and pay homage to the powerbrokers and parties. Especially given it's pretty clear the American public have incredibly little respect for the political and media establishment, and for very good reasons. An election is not a job interview.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:All this 'experience' talk comes off to me as just being uncomfortable with someone not from an approved political dynasty or otherwise groomed from early education onwards to be a politician. People talk about America as the country where anyone can be President and then start getting real concerned when someone doesn't follow the unwritten rules and pay homage to the powerbrokers and parties. Especially given it's pretty clear the American public have incredibly little respect for the political and media establishment, and for very good reasons.
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Nov 10, 2018 08:20
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Ghost Leviathan posted:All this 'experience' talk comes off to me as just being uncomfortable with someone not from an approved political dynasty or otherwise groomed from early education onwards to be a politician. People talk about America as the country where anyone can be President and then start getting real concerned when someone doesn't follow the unwritten rules and pay homage to the powerbrokers and parties. Especially given it's pretty clear the American public have incredibly little respect for the political and media establishment, and for very good reasons. Maybe people want politicians who can actually accomplish things? Forcing inexperienced young idiots who don't know how to write laws or make the bureaucracy function into our federal government is fine for the GOP because they WANT the government to not work, but we actually want it to do stuff. This is the same reason why term limits on Congress would be inane. Yeah, we don't need an entire Senate of dottering skeleton-folk, but we don't need the ineffectual or ignorant just because they're young either.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:All this 'experience' talk comes off to me as just being uncomfortable with someone not from an approved political dynasty or otherwise groomed from early education onwards to be a politician. People talk about America as the country where anyone can be President and then start getting real concerned when someone doesn't follow the unwritten rules and pay homage to the powerbrokers and parties. Especially given it's pretty clear the American public have incredibly little respect for the political and media establishment, and for very good reasons. Anyone can be president. Not everyone can be a good president.
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Sanguinia posted:Maybe people want politicians who can actually accomplish things? Forcing inexperienced young idiots who don't know how to write laws or make the bureaucracy function into our federal government is fine for the GOP because they WANT the government to not work, but we actually want it to do stuff. The current olds are ineffectual and ignorant and they have decades of experience.
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Sanguinia posted:Maybe people want politicians who can actually accomplish things? Forcing inexperienced young idiots who don't know how to write laws or make the bureaucracy function into our federal government is fine for the GOP because they WANT the government to not work, but we actually want it to do stuff. There old ones are idiots too though.
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Uh, there are plenty of Dem Senators In their 50s and 60s who are intelligent, knowledgeable and effective. Harris, Wyden, Warner, to name a few. There are even a few older ones like Warren who are sharp as gently caress.
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