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theCalamity
Oct 23, 2010

Cry Havoc and let slip the Hogs of War
https://twitter.com/_waleedshahid/status/1060942528680288257?s=21

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mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

AOC is the best.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



I apologise, I didn't realize the qqcs thread was closed.

SilvergunSuperman posted:

Lol ah yes fostering conversations with the chuds will truly be the dawn of a new age of enlightenment for us all.

If you see a chud report them tbh


AlBorlantern Corps posted:

Very progressive stance there.

Give it a chance :420:

Honestly PPJ's answer is a+

Koalas March fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Nov 10, 2018

Pellisworth
Jun 20, 2005
tbh I scrolled past most of the short/shitposts in the old Trump thread and would only pause to read longer effortposts and posts with tweet or article links

there was a lot of white noise and derails in the old thread, there's a lot here too it's just a slightly different flavor

just use the cool bookmark thing in the third post of this thread to filter posts if you're annoyed by Dems Bad

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Spaced God posted:

To be fair I do this sometimes.
However, I am not the president of the united states, nor do i meet with the leaders of either baltic or balkan states regularly

It's not that he mixed them up that should have people pissed, it's that the first words out of his mouth to them and likely the actual people he meant it for if he got it right was "gently caress you"

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

That's a passable way to pressure for a move to the left without going full "down with Pelosi" on her minus-fiftieth day on the job.

Zwabu
Aug 7, 2006

Chilichimp posted:

The gently caress? Someone toss me the link. I want into the Trump Thread discord clubhouse.

And honestly, if this was just called "USPOL/Trump: Please post here so non-US goons know what's happening" that'd be swell.

Thirded.

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
Hopefully it doesn't cost her committees down the line.

CubanMissile
Apr 22, 2003

Of Hulks and Spider-Men

mcmagic posted:

AOC is the best.

It's goddamn nice to see someone in the system say the things many of us want. I really hope the decorum machine doesn't just chew her up and spit her out.

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


GreyjoyBastard posted:

That's a passable way to pressure for a move to the left without going full "down with Pelosi" on her minus-fiftieth day on the job.

For 29 in her first pol roll, kinda wild how savvy she is. I love it

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Can someone who is more familiar with AOC tell me why she doesn't also advocate for universal basic income. I'm curious if that's still a bridge too far for the most progressive politician in our entire government or if she has a more complicated view on it or something.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Raenir Salazar posted:

Hopefully it doesn't cost her committees down the line.

Down the line? She's 29 and Pelosi is *check notes* a cool million years old. I think she'll be alright in the long term.

Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Nov 10, 2018

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


I can't believe Rick Scott thinks he can just stop them from counting votes

Koalas Massacre posted:

Minds have been up.

What's done is done.

It's not changing.

Accept it and move on.




Oh ok nevermind then I guess we shouldn't let them finish counting votes

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
Another O'Keefe style undercover video expose...

https://twitter.com/videocats/status/1060624044532232192

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Can someone who is more familiar with AOC tell me why she doesn't also advocate for universal basic income. I'm curious if that's still a bridge too far for the most progressive politician in our entire government or if she has a more complicated view on it or something.

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/980948443895037957

eke out
Feb 24, 2013




this is cool

the problem so far is that the only anti-Pelosi bloc making any noise are like 10-12 blue dog fucks that are the exact worst people to oppose her.

CubanMissile
Apr 22, 2003

Of Hulks and Spider-Men

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Can someone who is more familiar with AOC tell me why she doesn't also advocate for universal basic income. I'm curious if that's still a bridge too far for the most progressive politician in our entire government or if she has a more complicated view on it or something.

She's mentioned it for her overall platform. But I imagine it won't get too much attention since she has to pick her battles and that one is a ways off.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Can someone who is more familiar with AOC tell me why she doesn't also advocate for universal basic income. I'm curious if that's still a bridge too far for the most progressive politician in our entire government or if she has a more complicated view on it or something.

Living Wages is the first stop on the train ride to UBI, honestly. Going straight to UBI would just get her called a communi... wait, they already do that.

Man, idk, maybe it's just that America fuckin' sucks and we think socialism is bad because of 50+ years of literal anti-left propaganda. People have forgotten all the reasons why, and now they're trying to speed run the rise of the Nazi's.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Can someone who is more familiar with AOC tell me why she doesn't also advocate for universal basic income. I'm curious if that's still a bridge too far for the most progressive politician in our entire government or if she has a more complicated view on it or something.

I've been joking that she's a Bad Dem for this but she advocates for a federal Guaranteed Jobs program over UBI because [reasonably sensible arguments that I'm sure this thread will mention].

Honey Trap Queen
Jul 30, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Zwabu posted:

Thirded.

https://discord.gg/TqX499

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


By the way

I just learned that Whitaker has been fully vetted

Have no fear

https://twitter.com/surefireintel/status/1061107054985670657?s=21

Aztec Galactus
Sep 12, 2002

I'm actually pretty interested to see how this Florida thing will continue to play out, because as someone listed the timeline earlier, after the recounts are done, the results of the election are then certified by the governor, who, by the way, is Rick Scott. What fresh mayhem will we witness when he just says "nope"

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

College Slice
The world economically will need to get vastly worse due to automation and AI/General Purpose Robots proliferation before I think most people who would benefit from UBI accept the need of it, because the ideal of you need to work to earn money or work to have meaning in life are extremely powerful cultural forces.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I've been joking that she's a Bad Dem for this but she advocates for a federal Guaranteed Jobs program over UBI because [reasonably sensible arguments that I'm sure this thread will mention].

There's a ton of potential problems with UBI. Who decides what's "basic", how do you make sure it keeps up with a rising cost of living, lovely people are going to try to make it means tested based on regional cost of living, etc. All that's gotta be worked out.

Jobs guarantee and 15 dollar minimum wage are simple, easy, obviously good, and could be implemented tomorrow

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I've been joking that she's a Bad Dem for this but she advocates for a federal Guaranteed Jobs program over UBI because [reasonably sensible arguments that I'm sure this thread will mention].

Chilichimp posted:

Living Wages is the first stop on the train ride to UBI, honestly. Going straight to UBI would just get her called a communi... wait, they already do that.

Man, idk, maybe it's just that America fuckin' sucks and we think socialism is bad because of 50+ years of literal anti-left propaganda. People have forgotten all the reasons why, and now they're trying to speed run the rise of the Nazi's.

CubanMissile posted:

She's mentioned it for her overall platform. But I imagine it won't get too much attention since she has to pick her battles and that one is a ways off.

Alright, thanks. If she doesn't get corrupted by the billions of dollars floating around the political system I'd probably vote for her then.

But i swear to gently caress if they run Hillary again I'm voting Trump in protest.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



AlBorlantern Corps posted:

I can't believe Rick Scott thinks he can just stop them from counting votes


Oh ok nevermind then I guess we shouldn't let them finish counting votes

Context!! What is it??

Come on, this is disingenuous as hell and you're better than that.

I didn't know the other thread was closed. PPJ said to pm the mods with your concerns.

At some point it's not just people stating their opinions and it's derailing the thread, making it bad (a self fulfilling prophecy) and becomes bullying the mods to get what people want. It's been what? 3 days??

Like ok, I'm sorry you don't like the threads but again, give it a drat chance and try to cut people some slack.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Rectal Death Adept posted:

But i swear to gently caress if they run Hillary again I'm voting Trump in protest.

Why wouldn't you just write in your preferred candidate?

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

CSPAM? I don't want that , I thought dude said there was a Trump Thread 'cord clubhouse.

Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Nov 10, 2018

eke out
Feb 24, 2013



GreyjoyBastard posted:

I've been joking that she's a Bad Dem for this but she advocates for a federal Guaranteed Jobs program over UBI because [reasonably sensible arguments that I'm sure this thread will mention].

if anyone's curious about this topic, Matt's written some solid pieces at people's policy project about UBI and why, in particular, it's much better than a jobs guarantee program.

the short of it is that jobs guarantees.. kind of suck, because you have to maintain this pool of backup relatively low wage jobs, which is expensive, takes a pretty sizable bureaucracy to administer, you need to make sure you keep wages where they're not out-competing non-JG position, etc etc. as opposed to just giving people money, which is quite simple.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Tatsuta Age posted:

By the way

I just learned that Whitaker has been fully vetted

Have no fear

https://twitter.com/surefireintel/status/1061107054985670657?s=21

BY SUREFIRE INTEL

NO LESS

Jesus Christ, that kid is untouchable.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

mcmagic posted:

What did Adelson and her warmonger criminal Husband get for that $115MM they dropped on the midterms? Giant GOP losses in their home state and in the House. Money well spent. Harry Reid is having his last laugh against these scumbags.

Dennis Hof won his race for state legislature so that was money well spent.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Gripweed posted:

There's a ton of potential problems with UBI. Who decides what's "basic", how do you make sure it keeps up with a rising cost of living, lovely people are going to try to make it means tested based on regional cost of living, etc. All that's gotta be worked out.

Jobs guarantee and 15 dollar minimum wage are simple, easy, obviously good, and could be implemented tomorrow

UBI is necessary and just because it's going to take effort doesn't mean it's not worth doing. $15 doesn't necessarily cover the cost of living in certain places regardless.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

CubanMissile posted:

She's mentioned it for her overall platform. But I imagine it won't get too much attention since she has to pick her battles and that one is a ways off.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

I've been joking that she's a Bad Dem for this but she advocates for a federal Guaranteed Jobs program over UBI because [reasonably sensible arguments that I'm sure this thread will mention].

Sounds like creeping centrist pragmatism to me, which is the same as Literally Hitler. :j::hf::hitler:

But seriously, UBI isn't exactly something like universal health care where the US is the only dumb outlier in the entire developed world. Countries way to the left of us are only starting to pilot it, if they're doing it at all. It makes sense that she wouldn't be making a hard push for it out of the gate.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Lightning Knight posted:

Why wouldn't you just write in your preferred candidate?

I actually feel like if the DNC is that out of touch and that foolish to triple down then there needs to be a clear message sent to them because 2016 apparently didn't work. Voting for batman or third party doesn't do the same thing as making Trump's inevitable second win against her a landslide to try and hammer the point home and send a clear message.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Rectal Death Adept posted:

But i swear to gently caress if they run Hillary again I'm voting Trump in protest.

This is bad, don't do this. Vote for literally whoever the democrats put up, because the alternative is what we've been making GBS threads up the Trump thread with for two loving years.

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009

Tatsuta Age posted:

By the way

I just learned that Whitaker has been fully vetted

Have no fear

https://twitter.com/surefireintel/status/1061107054985670657?s=21

That's actually a pretty funny troll. The whole wohl thing, right up until he goes to actual prison for some dinesh dsouza type idiocy, is actually pretty funny. His buddy had his loving fly down for their big reveal press conference. That's some Borat poo poo

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

Rectal Death Adept posted:

I actually feel like if the DNC is that out of touch and that foolish to triple down then there needs to be a clear message sent to them because 2016 apparently didn't work. Voting for batman or third party doesn't do the same thing as making Trump's inevitable second win against her a landslide to try and hammer the point home and send a clear message.

That's not what voting for Trump would do. It would just make everyone conclude that America is 100% sincerely Chudland.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Can someone who is more familiar with AOC tell me why she doesn't also advocate for universal basic income. I'm curious if that's still a bridge too far for the most progressive politician in our entire government or if she has a more complicated view on it or something.

Because UBI is a bad idea. Especially in the context of the way it's proposed here in the US as a path to cut other universal programs.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Rectal Death Adept posted:

I actually feel like if the DNC is that out of touch and that foolish to triple down then there needs to be a clear message sent to them because 2016 apparently didn't work. Voting for batman or third party doesn't do the same thing as making Trump's inevitable second win against her a landslide to try and hammer the point home and send a clear message.

I mean the "message" that this sends, insofar as anyone else cares for who you vote for, is that the DNC is not sufficiently fascist enough for your taste. I do not think you've thought this through. Just write in Bernie, or AOC, or Malcom X, or whoever.

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eke out
Feb 24, 2013



sean10mm posted:

Sounds like creeping centrist pragmatism to me, which is the same as Literally Hitler. :j::hf::hitler:

But seriously, UBI isn't exactly something like universal health care where the US is the only dumb outlier in the entire developed world. Countries way to the left of us are only starting to pilot it, if they're doing it at all. It makes sense that she wouldn't be making a hard push for it out of the gate.

i feel like the thing i'd prefer is "We still aren't sure how to do UBI right, but we should work towards it" as opposed implying that we don't know whether it's good or not. but this is just nit-picking at this point

e: mcmagic doesn't like UBI so I am now even more sure it's Very Good

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