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Not a Step posted:And yet for the entire existence of drone warfare it has. Maybe drone warfare is just bad? In and of themselves, drones could very easily allow for a massive reduction in civilian casualties while still achieving operational objectives. Unfortunately, the defense establishment's conclusion was to keep civilian casualties roughly the same and blow up a whole bunch more people we don't like. The answer is not to stop using drones specifically. That is very dumb. The solution ia to overhaul our targeting protocols and/or stop engaging in warfare that isn't in support of international revolutionary socialism, depending on your inclination.
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Mahoning posted:I think the problem the Dem field is gonna face is that Bernie is the only one who has any sort of progressive populist bona fides. And I’m all for Bernie, but if a nearly 80 year old white man is our only hope, that’s a problem. even if we ignore possible lesser known candidates gillibrand has ten years going on twelve of pretty okay progressive populist bona fides if Warren trips on her shoelaces and Bernie keels over dead, she's a serviceable enough backup plan (I'm actually a much bigger fan than this would suggest but I'm leavening my language for some of this thread Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Nov 11, 2018 |
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Nov 11, 2018 00:32
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GreyjoyBastard posted:even if we ignore possible lesser known candidates gillibrand has ten years going on twelve of pretty okay progressive populist bona fides If Gillibrand is so great how I have I managed to tune her out as completely as I have Like even Elizabeth Warren has managed to have a few speeches go viral, why is gillibrand good
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Nov 11, 2018 00:38
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Nov 11, 2018 00:39
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Im going to counter that warfare without possibility of losses on the aggressors side is probably a universal negative and lowers the threshold for bombing the innocent. A 9 to 5 button pusher job that vaporizes civilians is probably always going to lead to bad outcomes
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Nov 11, 2018 00:41
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If Gillibrand is so great how I have I managed to tune her out as completely as I have I am not going to compile a god damned thing while phoneposting but I'll try to remember to pull up some things.
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Nov 11, 2018 00:42
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I am not going to compile a god damned thing while phoneposting but I'll try to remember to pull up some things. I'm basically wondering how much charisma she has Warren and Bernie both have a sort of angry grandparent charisma that really helps them as candidates (bernie to a much greater extent -- see, e.g., Birdie Sanders, etc.)
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I'm basically wondering how much charisma she has I recall Gillibrand’s 2016 DNC speech being actually pretty decent as far as such things go, she’s probably par with Harris.
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Nov 11, 2018 00:49
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I'm basically wondering how much charisma she has she routinely tears into the GOP on the House floor if nothing else you may also remember her being at the forefront of taking down Al Franken for being a mild sexmonster, which is quite frankly her biggest liability so far imo, there is a nonzero proportion of dedicated Democrats who haaaaaate her for that
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Nov 11, 2018 00:50
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Not a Step posted:Im going to counter that warfare without possibility of losses on the aggressors side is probably a universal negative and lowers the threshold for bombing the innocent. A 9 to 5 button pusher job that vaporizes civilians is probably always going to lead to bad outcomes The Skynet program will resolve all these early bugs by applying a more liberal and inclusive standard for action. Groovelord Neato posted:drones have created far more terrorists than they ever killed. Leftists want to break up the nuclear family, but when we put this into action suddenly marriage is sacred Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Avanetti will be early stage Trump where it looks like he's only running just to poo poo on everybody else but hopefully no reach late stage "oh, he actually serious" Trump I would probably have no problem with Avenatti if he were actually left, which he is not
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Gillibrand has the same arguments against her that Tim Ryan does as speaker: she used to hold a ton of lovely positions and her new found progressivism can come off as inauthentic. I’m not gonna hold those former views against her but I know a lot of potential Democratic primary voters might.
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Nov 11, 2018 00:52
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GreyjoyBastard posted:she routinely tears into the GOP on the House floor if nothing else Mahoning posted:Gillibrand has the same arguments against her that Tim Ryan does as speaker: she used to hold a ton of lovely positions and her new found progressivism can come off as inauthentic. I’m not gonna hold those former views against her but I know a lot of potential Democratic primary voters might. Ok, yeah, I think so far that she's just come across to me as really opportunistic BUT that might just be my own biases and inherent horriblepersonness I need to work on (the original sin we all deal with to one extent or another).
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Nov 11, 2018 00:54
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Mahoning posted:Gillibrand has the same arguments against her that Tim Ryan does as speaker: she used to hold a ton of lovely positions and her new found progressivism can come off as inauthentic. I’m not gonna hold those former views against her but I know a lot of potential Democratic primary voters might. Gillibrand is a weather vane, but she at least acknowledges the currents and doesnt somehow always triangulate to 'more business tax cuts'
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Not a Step posted:Gillibrand is a weather vane, but she at least acknowledges the currents and doesnt somehow always triangulate to 'more business tax cuts' Gillibrand is somebody who I don’t really want to be President, but she would probably be a killer Senate Majority/Minority Leader.
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Nov 11, 2018 01:20
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Gillibrand is sort of ok but also 20% worse than Klobuchar in every way
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Not a Step posted:And yet for the entire existence of drone warfare it has. Maybe drone warfare is just bad? I kinda agree about the focus on drones specifically being kind of bad, when the real issue is just "we shouldn't be bombing people." Even if doing so might be a good idea in some hypothetical world where the US military and government were good actors (and I'd be doubtful even if that were the case), that isn't the world we live in. Pretty much the only situations I can think of where it might make sense for the USA specifically to be bombing people is a "country invading another country" situation, or one where genocide is occurring on such a large scale that it's worse than the outcome that would result from a Libya-esque situation.
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Nov 11, 2018 02:21
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Adar posted:Gillibrand is sort of ok but also 20% worse than Klobuchar in every way Klobucar would be eaten alive in any debate with Trump. She’s like 10% less wooden than Clinton. https://youtu.be/Qz2hCRs8fS8
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Nov 11, 2018 02:22
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Lightning Knight posted:It’s an institutional issue. You can see this with Larry Krasner running on reforming the criminal justice system and then making GBS threads on trans activists, or even Jeremy Corbyn calling for more police funding even when British police are aggressively racist just as they are here. Even the best people in the institution still to some degree represent that institution, and our institutions are rotten. though unlike the US the british police ARE actually insanely underfunded iirc the instituional problem, of course, is that the donors call the shots and the donors are greedy, racist morons
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Nov 11, 2018 02:23
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Yinlock posted:though unlike the US the british police ARE actually insanely underfunded iirc Yeah I’m not saying Corbyn is 100% wrong for that one, is an anti austerity thing and I respect that. It’s just also tied up in the race and class politics of modern policing as an institution. Likewise, even the op ed Bernie recently wrote on Yemen was kinda bland  , and it still makes him way better on that issue than most Democrats.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:she routinely tears into the GOP on the House floor if nothing else imo it's a bigger plus in her favor, because franken being a sex criminal immediately revealed toxic dickhead after toxic dickhead as they lined up to defend him a record amount of entire rear end was shown
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Nov 11, 2018 02:25
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Ytlaya posted:I kinda agree about the focus on drones specifically being kind of bad, when the real issue is just "we shouldn't be bombing people." Even if doing so might be a good idea in some hypothetical world where the US military and government were good actors (and I'd be doubtful even if that were the case), that isn't the world we live in.
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Nov 11, 2018 02:34
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Lightning Knight posted:Gillibrand is somebody who I don’t really want to be President, but she would probably be a killer Senate Majority/Minority Leader.  The President really needs to be the one setting the agenda for the nation, and for that they need a vision. Gillibrand is great at gauging the mood of the people and jumping on board, but I havent really seen her articulate a consistent vision. Its possible I havent been paying enough attention though, and I hope thats something she focuses on in the primaries
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selec posted:Klobucar would be eaten alive in any debate with Trump. She’s like 10% less wooden than Clinton. Counterpoint: 79 year old in 2020 candidate Bernard Sanders
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Adar posted:Counterpoint: 79 year old in 2020 candidate Bernard Sanders counter counterpoint: trump is barely alive and president
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Yinlock posted:counter counterpoint: trump is barely alive and president The joke's on you. God loves hateful Republicans and keeps them alive. God hates inspiring Democrats and kills them as early as he can.
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Adar posted:Counterpoint: 79 year old in 2020 candidate Bernard Sanders Bernie runs through airports, shoots hoops and gives marathon speeches. He could take a man ten years his junior in a trial by combat and devour his heart to claim his essence.
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I just still can’t get over Howard Schultz. Like I’m not even 100% against the possibility of a billionaire businessman as a Democratic president (ok, maybe like 98%) but STARBUCKS?! That dude would be laughed out of like 90% of America. It’s ALMOST as ludicrous as Zuckerberg’s little tour of America last year.
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Mahoning posted:I just still can’t get over Howard Schultz. Like I’m not even 100% against the possibility of a billionaire businessman as a Democratic president (ok, maybe like 98%) but STARBUCKS?! Conservatives have spent decades ingraining the image of the latte drinking liberal as the ultimate evil who must be opposed at all costs. Getting the latte king to run as a Democrat would somehow be worse than Hillary. So of course that is whats going to happen, because this is hell world.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:bernie's too old i cry as a barely sentient plant installs fascism to an unprecedented degree i'd say it's fairly precedented, which only makes your point stronger honestly
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Brony Car posted:The joke's on you. God loves hateful Republicans and keeps them alive. God hates inspiring Democrats and kills them as early as he can. Ruth Bader Ginsburg confirmed more powerful than God.
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Yeah let's embrace the Democratic wave of diversity, youth, and support of women by nominating a 79 year old white guy from Vermont.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Yeah let's embrace the Democratic wave of diversity, youth, and support of women by nominating a 79 year old white guy from Vermont. This but unironically.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Yeah let's embrace the Democratic wave of diversity, youth, and support of women by nominating the one politician who seems to give a poo poo about them
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Yeah let's embrace the Democratic wave of diversity, youth, and support of women by nominating a 79 year old white guy from Vermont. I would really love for you to name someone better. I'm not being sarcastic, I genuinely would love for there to be a better candidate than Sanders. He's an unfortunate compromise made necessary by the Democrats being the most pathetic and worthless thing in the universe. Unless you think Barbara Lee is going to run, I'm not seeing any other option than Sanders.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Yeah let's embrace the Democratic wave of diversity, youth, and support of women by nominating a 79 year old white guy from Vermont. This is a bad post. Like I think everyone on this forum is aware of Bernie’s bad attributes (Old, white, man) but unless you have a young diverse person who could generate the same amount of excitement and support as Bernie Sanders, you’re pretty much just poo poo posting. Maybe that person is out there, but we certainly don’t have anyone in November 2018 that is even close.
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