Bottom Liner posted:

grade A privileged bullshit liberal smugness right here folks

Your Boy Fancy posted:

That’s because it isn’t true, and a willful misinterpretation meant to justify inaction.

reignonyourparade posted:

The republicans are putting people on the republicans track, but the only way this analogy applies is if democrats are putting fewer people, but still putting people, on the democrats track.

Chilichimp posted:

Also, it's a trick trolly problem, the republicans are the ones who tied the folks up on the track and they're driving the train. You're actually not the one holding the lever, you're also tied up on the track and it's the democrats who have to pull the lever.

Not a Step posted:

Comrade Fakename posted:

https://twitter.com/lis_smith/status/1061321848762392578

Helen Highwater posted:

It's so weird that Congress couldn't find someone who had served at least one term already back in 1789.

Chilichimp posted:

My anger isn't misplaced. I'm angry at fascists and I want my anti-fascist bros to help me turn it around.

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

Fair enough, but bear in mind that there are collaborators, unwitting or otherwise, in the Democratic party and they are seriously harming its ability to fight fascism.

Feel free to get angry with people in your life who you happen to know voted Green or didn't vote or whatever. I don't really have a problem with that. But don't let that distract you from the real fight, which is both turfing out Republicans and the people in the Democratic party who make it easier for them to win elections. And don't fall for arguments that you have to do one first, then the other, either.

Not a Step posted:

If it was a vote between Hitler and Stalin you would consider it your civic duty to vote Hitler. It would genuinely never occur to you that perhaps the system is incredibly hosed up. Corporate serfdom is less bad than full fascism, so it is everyones duty to love their corporate overlords.


How else do you interpret the Steney Hoyer audio?

Raenir Salazar posted:

I think it's a legitimate issue for those Republican senators or other Republicans that maybe it harms their evangelical support base which are probably absolutely against "the devil's weed". Also legalizing weed removes a tool from law enforcement to target african americans which is also something they might not like even if their states legalized it.

Helen Highwater posted:

It's so weird that Congress couldn't find someone who had served at least one term already back in 1789.

Not a Step posted:

If it was a vote between Hitler and Stalin you would consider it your civic duty to vote Hitler. It would genuinely never occur to you that perhaps the system is incredibly hosed up. Corporate serfdom is less bad than full fascism, so it is everyones duty to love their corporate overlords.

Bottom Liner posted:

"DEMS RIG THEIR PRIMARIES" is such a fox news headline. Of course they're going to prune their candidates and their system is set up to pick their typical candidate that falls in line with the party platform instead of rocking the boat. They didn't attack democracy by cheating Bernie, that's just how the 2 party system works and the DNC is not a government entity so they can make and break their own rules. If you're mad, go vote for the more progressives in the party and push the party left. Don't hand over the loving ball, game, and court to the literal fascists you complicit shits.

Chilichimp posted:

Also, it's a trick trolly problem, the republicans are the ones who tied the folks up on the track and they're driving the train. You're actually not the one holding the lever, you're also tied up on the track and it's the democrats who have to pull the lever.

Chilichimp posted:

Your choice is not between Hitler and Stalin. It's Hitler and Beto O'Rourke. Do you have any fuckin' idea the number of candidates this cycle that eschewed corporate packs? The winds are a changin' and they'll continue to change.

Bottom Liner posted:

"DEMS RIG THEIR PRIMARIES" is such a fox news headline. Of course they're going to prune their candidates and their system is set up to pick their typical candidate that falls in line with the party platform instead of rocking the boat. They didn't attack democracy by cheating Bernie, that's just how the 2 party system works and the DNC is not a government entity so they can make and break their own rules. If you're mad, go vote for the more progressives in the party and push the party left. Don't hand over the loving ball, game, and court to the literal fascists you complicit shits.

Bottom Liner posted:

"DEMS RIG THEIR PRIMARIES" is such a fox news headline. Of course they're going to prune their candidates and their system is set up to pick their typical candidate that falls in line with the party platform instead of rocking the boat. They didn't attack democracy by cheating Bernie, that's just how the 2 party system works and the DNC is not a government entity so they can make and break their own rules. If you're mad, go vote for the more progressives in the party and push the party left. Don't hand over the loving ball, game, and court to the literal fascists you complicit shits.

Lightning Knight posted:

I think you have your 20th Century dictators reversed here my dude.

corn in the bible posted:

its a hell of a thing to admit that they rig the primaries and say the solution is to vote in the primaries

Lightning Knight posted:

I understood what you mean here but you're really torturing the metaphor lol.


I really wish at least one of these foreign leaders who talks mad poo poo about Trump wasn't also poo poo themselves. Macron, Trudeau and Merkel are all huge neoliberal shitters who are leading their countries right into the jaws of fascism and refusing to do anything meaningful about global warming. Macron spends his free time loving unions, Trudeau is busy trying to approve more pipelines and Merkel led the charge to impose lovely austerity on the European periphery. Trump is certainly worse, but none of these people should be lionized.

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

I'm pretty sure you're misreading that.

Lightning Knight posted:

I understood what you mean here but you're really torturing the metaphor lol.


I really wish at least one of these foreign leaders who talks mad poo poo about Trump wasn't also poo poo themselves. Macron, Trudeau and Merkel are all huge neoliberal shitters who are leading their countries right into the jaws of fascism and refusing to do anything meaningful about global warming. Macron spends his free time loving unions, Trudeau is busy trying to approve more pipelines and Merkel led the charge to impose lovely austerity on the European periphery. Trump is certainly worse, but none of these people should be lionized.

Lightning Knight posted:

I mean, I'm just saying, I think the lesser of two evils between Hitler and Stalin is Stalin?

Also "the DNC rigged the primaries and it was good because gently caress leftists" is an impressively stupid take.

^ Ha!

Axetrain posted:

What's this horseshit, "yeah they rig their primaries but it's not against the law so it's fine. Now go vote, in the rigged primaries".

corn in the bible posted:

its a hell of a thing to admit that they rig the primaries and say the solution is to vote in the primaries

Chilichimp posted:

It's a false dichotomy.

Bottom Liner posted:

I'm saying your whole "rigging the primaries" nonsense is just that.

Lightning Knight posted:

I mean it's an argument to absurdity and I'm obviously reading too much into it, I just wanted to give him a hard time because Stalin is less bad than Hitler.


You made a dumb argument lol, at least own it.

Lightning Knight posted:

I really wish at least one of these foreign leaders who talks mad poo poo about Trump wasn't also poo poo themselves.

Bottom Liner posted:

I'm saying your whole "rigging the primaries" nonsense is just that. Don't like the two party system? Too loving bad, it's the reality of our country and a vote for any third party or non-vote is handing power to the gerrymandering election stealing right.

Chilichimp posted:

They're the same bad, from two different ends of our garbage political spectrum.

Bottom Liner posted:

I'm saying your whole "rigging the primaries" nonsense is just that. Don't like the two party system? Too loving bad, it's the reality of our country and a vote for any third party or non-vote is handing power to the gerrymandering election stealing right.

Ague Proof posted:

https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1061415769207177216

No. No.

Axetrain posted:

Then what you're saying is wrong. And it's actually going to be too bad for most of the people in this country if Democrats can't get their poo poo together.

reignonyourparade posted:

You said that it was fox news nonsense and then followed it up with "yeah they broke their own rules." The MOST GENEROUS reading of what you wrote is "I personally don't care that they rig the primaries therefore you shouldn't either."

eke out posted:

turns out he's not and this is just a #resistance meme right now

Bottom Liner posted:

So being contrarian accelerationist and saying "but both sides bad" instead of voting does what?

"Dems bad" is the left's "but her emails".

Bottom Liner posted:

So being contrarian accelerationist and saying "but both sides bad" instead of voting does what?

"Dems bad" is the left's "but her emails".

Helen Highwater posted:

It's so weird that Congress couldn't find someone who had served at least one term already back in 1789.

Lightning Knight posted:

Curse you resistance twitter!

I stand by what I said otherwise though.

RuanGacho posted:

Remove #1 and #2 Dems since they're on the record for corruption. Continue to Vote.

corn in the bible posted:

It is possible to grudgingly vote in the general election and still be pissed that an actual good candidate was passed over because he or she wasn't enough of a shill for corporate and financial interests, hope this helps

Lightning Knight posted:

I really don't agree with this, and attempts to equivocate Hitler and Stalin is a Nazi talking point just so you know. Stalin was undoubtedly a lovely dictator who caused the deaths of millions due to his own incompetence, but Hitler organized the systemic industrialized slaughter of millions based on their identity or benign characteristics in a way that Stain has no direct equivalent to. Both sides, in fact, are not equally bad in that example.

JUST MAKING CHILI posted:

This is a dumb argument. You’re basically saying that Hiltler is worse than Stalin because he was more efficient in his ethnic cleansing. They were both monsters that did a genocide. We don’t have to compare bodycounts.