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Harton
Jun 13, 2001

So thread! I have a voting question I think you can help me with. I put in an offer on a lake house up in Michigan this weekend. Theoretically if I were to get an accepted offer and buy it could I register to vote up here instead of Indiana where I will be living most of the time? I figure as long as I don’t vote in both states I should be good right? Also after Donnelly’s horrific loss I believe my and my wife’s votes would be better placed in Michigan where maybe we can help it from going red again, along with governor races and the senate.

So is this feasible? Or should I keep trying and failing miserably to get something good to happen in Indiana?

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pumpinglemma
Apr 28, 2009

DD: Fondly regard abomination.

Cerebral Bore posted:

Short termism is what's brought us to this situation so you're literally advocating for something that will make the outcome you want to avoid inevitable here.
No poo poo short-termism brought us to this situation. That doesn't change the fact that from this situation, sacrificing the short term is no longer survivable.

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

Harton posted:

So thread! I have a voting question I think you can help me with. I put in an offer on a lake house up in Michigan this weekend. Theoretically if I were to get an accepted offer and buy it could I register to vote up here instead of Indiana where I will be living most of the time? I figure as long as I don’t vote in both states I should be good right? Also after Donnelly’s horrific loss I believe my and my wife’s votes would be better placed in Michigan where maybe we can help it from going red again, along with governor races and the senate.

So is this feasible? Or should I keep trying and failing miserably to get something good to happen in Indiana?
If you're in violation of residency requirements, what you're asking about is a felony.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
Forwarded to tips@fbi.gov

pumpinglemma
Apr 28, 2009

DD: Fondly regard abomination.

Harton posted:

So thread! I have a voting question I think you can help me with. I put in an offer on a lake house up in Michigan this weekend. Theoretically if I were to get an accepted offer and buy it could I register to vote up here instead of Indiana where I will be living most of the time? I figure as long as I don’t vote in both states I should be good right? Also after Donnelly’s horrific loss I believe my and my wife’s votes would be better placed in Michigan where maybe we can help it from going red again, along with governor races and the senate.

So is this feasible? Or should I keep trying and failing miserably to get something good to happen in Indiana?
Looks like you have to have been resident there for the thirty days immediately prior to the election, so probably not.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Yeah I would check both states' residency requirements, and do some research because there could be both legal and tax consequences.

PerniciousKnid
Sep 13, 2006

Harton posted:

So is this feasible? Or should I keep trying and failing miserably to get something good to happen in Indiana?

If it were me I would worry more about which local elections you want to impact. It's less likely your statewide vote will be a difference-maker.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Get you a man that looks at you like they look at adversarial world leaders.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

pumpinglemma posted:

No poo poo short-termism brought us to this situation. That doesn't change the fact that from this situation, sacrificing the short term is no longer survivable.

It is possible that a loss in the short term is "survivable" (though that's a pretty drat vague term in itself) on account of Donald Trump being a sundowning incompetent at everything except twitter burns. On the other hand, it is vastly less likely that having a competent fascist in charge of the GOP would be survivable, and that's where the current political trajectory is taking us. So the real question is how to best change that trajectory, and evidence shows us that trying to scold individual voters sure as poo poo ain't it.

Then again, Dems losing an election is most likely not it either since the establishment has been able to maintain their death grip on the party despite losing over and over.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Cerebral Bore posted:

It is possible that a loss in the short term is "survivable" (though that's a pretty drat vague term in itself) on account of Donald Trump being a sundowning incompetent at everything except twitter burns. On the other hand, it is vastly less likely that having a competent fascist in charge of the GOP would be survivable, and that's where the current political trajectory is taking us. So the real question is how to best change that trajectory, and evidence shows us that trying to scold individual voters sure as poo poo ain't it.

Then again, Dems losing an election is most likely not it either since the establishment has been able to maintain their death grip on the party despite losing over and over.

The fact that dem candidates are being successful with small money donations against corporate PAC backed incumbents/primary rivals gives me a lot of hope.

Katt
Nov 14, 2017

What are the chances that Trump gets to live down all the crap he caused during his presidency?

I suspect that all his failing businesses will be be propped up by Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia for the rest of his life as compensation for services rendered.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

Katt posted:

What are the chances that Trump gets to live down all the crap he caused during his presidency?

I suspect that all his failing businesses will be be propped up by Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia for the rest of his life as compensation for services rendered.

He won't even have to rely on foreign actors, he'll be the #1 recipient of wingnut welfare in America provided the stresses of the job don't kill him.

Phobic Nest
Oct 2, 2013

You Are My Sunshine

Katt posted:

What are the chances that Trump gets to live down all the crap he caused during his presidency?

I suspect that all his failing businesses will be be propped up by Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia for the rest of his life as compensation for services rendered.

The latter two maybe but I have difficulty imagining Putin not dropping his support the minute Trump isn't useful anymore.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

Katt posted:

What are the chances that Trump gets to live down all the crap he caused during his presidency?

I suspect that all his failing businesses will be be propped up by Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia for the rest of his life as compensation for services rendered.

None. Rich people in this country never suffer actual consequences for their heinous actions, Trump is no different.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Spoke Lee posted:

If the R's had their way and were able to change Medicaid into a block grant, in home support services would have their budgets slashed including personal care assistants. This is what allows the severely disabled to live independently. Without this we can't feed ourselves, shower, use the bathroom, get dressed, or work. We have to surrender our freedom and become institutionalized. With all the abuse that entails.

But Republicans have also cut funding to public health institutions, so anyone disabled will likely end up starving to death on the street.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

VH4Ever posted:

None. Rich people in this country never suffer actual consequences for their heinous actions, Trump is no different.

Worse is he's gonna become an actual Fox News Pundit. Dude cannot stand being out of the spotlight.

And he's going to be making poo poo up constantly and just hiding having to cite his sources behind "I was the President and it's confidential... I can't tell you. But just believe me."

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

Katt posted:

What are the chances that Trump gets to live down all the crap he caused during his presidency?

I suspect that all his failing businesses will be be propped up by Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia for the rest of his life as compensation for services rendered.

He's gonna be full senile by the time he leaves office.

Hellblazer187
Oct 12, 2003

Gripweed posted:

He's gonna be full senile by the time he leaves office.

Perfect for Fox then

Calaveron
Aug 7, 2006
:negative:

Gripweed posted:

He's gonna be full senile by the time he leaves office.

He already is my dude

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

BonoMan posted:

Worse is he's gonna become an actual Fox News Pundit. Dude cannot stand being out of the spotlight.

And he's going to be making poo poo up constantly and just hiding having to cite his sources behind "I was the President and it's confidential... I can't tell you. But just believe me."

If he doesn't just keel over from his horrendous diet and uppers addiction, I think he'll be like LBJ: dead within a few years of leaving office.

Magitek
Feb 20, 2008

That's not jolly.
That's not jolly at all!

Gripweed posted:

He's gonna be full senile by the time he leaves office.

Correct. This fact does not contradict any of the posts on this page.

Subbz
Nov 4, 2008
https://twitter.com/DarthPutinKGB/status/1061575008420593665

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/DavidNakamura/status/1061561481844719617

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

He'd have just shoved his way to the front anyway.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

Calaveron posted:

He already is my dude

Why do you think the schedule for the Paris trip is so hosed up? He wasn't just the level of incoherence we expected from Trump, when they got to Paris he was in bad shape. Like, to the extent that his staff knew he couldn't meet with other world leaders. Confused, angry, scared, full-on pathetic old man senile. Worse than they expected, which is why he couldn't go the scheduled literal walk around a park. And it's continuing on to the second day of the trip, so it wasn't just one bad day. Trump is deteriorating fast.

Snacksmaniac
Jan 12, 2008

Township people are really nosy so you’ll get caught.

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Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Harton posted:

So thread! I have a voting question I think you can help me with. I put in an offer on a lake house up in Michigan this weekend. Theoretically if I were to get an accepted offer and buy it could I register to vote up here instead of Indiana where I will be living most of the time? I figure as long as I don’t vote in both states I should be good right? Also after Donnelly’s horrific loss I believe my and my wife’s votes would be better placed in Michigan where maybe we can help it from going red again, along with governor races and the senate.

So is this feasible? Or should I keep trying and failing miserably to get something good to happen in Indiana?

Dang, usually people have to be prodded a little to take off their mask and start talking about yachting and buying vacation homes

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice

AlBorlantern Corps posted:

I enjoy the dunking on Trump by everyone for not attending that ceremony due to light rain, but does anyone else really not give a gently caress about respecting the troops?

Such a brave stance to post on SA.

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Gripweed posted:

Why do you think the schedule for the Paris trip is so hosed up? He wasn't just the level of incoherence we expected from Trump, when they got to Paris he was in bad shape. Like, to the extent that his staff knew he couldn't meet with other world leaders. Confused, angry, scared, full-on pathetic old man senile. Worse than they expected, which is why he couldn't go the scheduled literal walk around a park. And it's continuing on to the second day of the trip, so it wasn't just one bad day. Trump is deteriorating fast.

I remember a couple weeks ago in the Trump thread, saying that Trump will not take the midterms positively and end up retreating into isolation to the point we will have periods where we don't see or hear of him for days. I had thought it would be almost immediately. but it looks like it's happening now.

Has Trump met with the press in France? I heard Jim Acosta's there and there's nothing he can do about it, so I'm sure he's avoiding him by not going to any of press junkets while there.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005








If it's wet enough his hair and skin could literally melt just from the moisture in the air.

Phobic Nest
Oct 2, 2013

You Are My Sunshine

Young Freud posted:

Has Trump met with the press in France? I heard Jim Acosta's there and there's nothing he can do about it, so I'm sure he's avoiding him by not going to any of press junkets while there.

European reporters would make Acosta the least of his worries.

Soviet Commubot
Oct 22, 2008


Goffer posted:

French shade thrown at trump:

https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1061598511324692481

"Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism: nationalism is treason. By saying "our interests first and what do the others matter! We erase what a nation has most precious, what makes it live: its moral values."

lol, he says all this after trying to rehabilitate Marechal Pétain.

Themagicalgoat
Oct 5, 2016

kidkissinger posted:

What leftist doesn't believe this? Not even the Marxist-Leninists I know think that the Dems are worse than the GOP.

The problem is that Dems actually do hold a lot of the same downright evil positions and for the most part seem to only work for the bourgoisie.

Maybe they believe it, I don't know. I wouldn't glean it from most commentary in threads like these where posters spend 95% of the time complaining about Dems.

Seems pointless. On the rare occassions when socialists get elected to state or federal office, for example, they caucus with Dems anyways. Just admit who your allies are. You don't have to agree with them on everything to get poo poo done. Soviets could ally with the US to beat the Axis. Not really complicated or controversial. The Republicans know who their fascist allies are, I assure you of that.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Themagicalgoat posted:

I don't really get why leftists love to complain about Democrats on the internet. I mean, I guess they'll at least have a reasonable argument with you, unlike a Republican or conservative. But if you can't pull a Chomsky and admit to yourself that the Republican Party is one of the most evil organizations in US and world history, then what are you even doing? What is useful about quibbling with degrees of responsibility when you know for a fact that the Republican rank and file voter will lie to you, live in bad faith and vote for a fascist? I'd rather hold them responsible and focus my anger and frustration at them. Everything else, from voting to protesting or whatever policy you want is a tactical disagreement about how to deal with the same enemy, right?

Because the Democrat party has serious problems and the only way to address them is by actually addressing them? Criticism can be constructive.

This kind of team sports mentality isn't really helping things. You are the guy flipping tables when someone suggests your football team should work on it's coaching. AT LEAST IT AIN'T THE PACKERS! Giving a free pass to your party or what it does simply because it's not the most bad party has worked out really great so far.

Rectal Death Adept fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Nov 11, 2018

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

FizFashizzle posted:

If it's wet enough his hair and skin could literally melt just from the moisture in the air.

At the very least, his hair would get either deflated or frizzy and his spray tan would run

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

Themagicalgoat posted:

Maybe they believe it, I don't know. I wouldn't glean it from most commentary in threads like these where posters spend 95% of the time complaining about Dems.

Seems pointless. On the rare occassions when socialists get elected to state or federal office, for example, they caucus with Dems anyways. Just admit who your allies are. You don't have to agree with them on everything to get poo poo done. Soviets could ally with the US to beat the Axis. Not really complicated or controversial. The Republicans know who their fascist allies are, I assure you of that.

The Democrats have an unfortunate habit of allying with the Republicans far more often than they ally with the left.

Syfe
Jun 12, 2006


Rectal Death Adept posted:

Because the Democrat party has serious problems and the only way to address them is by actually addressing them? Criticism can be constructive.

This kind of team sports mentality isn't really helping things. You are the guy flipping tables when someone suggests your football team should work on it's coaching. AT LEAST IT AIN'T THE PACKERS! Giving a free pass to your party or what it does simply because it's not the most bad party has worked out really great so far.

Sadly your system leaves people with literally only 2 options and ways to waste your vote. So you only get two choices once you get to the ballot. If you're worried about your democratic options, you need to be a part of the process much earlier on. But once you get to the ballot, you're either voting for or against, it's a sad reality, but it is your reality.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

AlBorlantern Corps posted:

I enjoy the dunking on Trump by everyone for not attending that ceremony due to light rain, but does anyone else really not give a gently caress about respecting the troops?

The Armistice is worth commemorating.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


This apparently doesn't cover half of it. Putin didn't even shake Trump's hand.
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1061616569317507073

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Nemo Somen
Aug 20, 2013

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Because the Democrat party has serious problems and the only way to address them is by actually addressing them? Criticism can be constructive.

This kind of team sports mentality isn't really helping things. You are the guy flipping tables when someone suggests your football team should work on it's coaching. AT LEAST IT AIN'T THE PACKERS! Giving a free pass to your party or what it does simply because it's not the most bad party has worked out really great so far.

The analogy doesn't really fit. The answer to improving Dems is to get involved with the party, even if its just by voting in the primaries. But itt people are admitting that they have no faith in the Dem's primaries. To use your analogy in that case, even when the idea of working on coaching is suggested, some just admit that they have no faith in the coach to work on that aspect of his job.

Nemo Somen fucked around with this message at 15:49 on Nov 11, 2018

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