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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:you say there is no comparison between liberals and fascists, and that calling up the last liberal president's habit of tossing kids in cages is unfair. You are willfully ignoring that Obama ended the practice of leaving unaccompanied minors in immigrant detention to prove a point that you don’t need this example to make. Its lazy and stupid and lets Trump off the hook for zero tolerance family separations and you suck poo poo for it. Joe Manchin is not a prominent liberal politician, literally no one cares about him until he breaks from the caucus.
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Luckyellow posted:I'm just a low information voter, but why wouldn't Bernie run again in 2020? He probably is running.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:33
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Condiv posted:hillary should probably pick better chief strategists then. it sounds like she's picking badly if they are token liberals for fox news this is a good point: when will Hillary apologize for her campaign staffers in 2008? we should address this first before relitigating 2016
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Nov 12, 2018 00:33
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Hillary is gonn run again in 2020, but this time she'll have a completely different personality and policy and speaking style and campaign approach Oh, and she is also gonna look different and will insist on you calling her a different name But trust me, its actually Hillary
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Nov 12, 2018 00:33
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eke out posted:one strange recent bot phenomenon i spotted was on election day there was this flood of right-wing bots all posting about how turnout in Broward and other South Florida places was low and there was no way dems had any chance in florida I will give Twitter one bit of credit - if you posted anything about the wrong date for Election Day like "don't forget to vote on November 7!" you got autobanned. Apparently they were very smart about it too and it was catching a bunch of chuds who were trying to be shits.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:33
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Luckyellow posted:I'm just a low information voter, but why wouldn't Bernie run again in 2020? it's certainly possible. the main argument against is that he's old.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:34
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evilweasel posted:The 2020 primary is going to be so crowded I think that the results may wind up effectively being biased towards whoever is the most unique candidate (because the more people like you, the more your votes are split), not the best. At a minimum there’s going to be more viable candidates after NH than the typical two.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:34
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Bernie is old as gently caress and I don't like it but he's still the best thing available.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:34
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Axetrain posted:I struggle to think of a worse choice for candidate in 2020 than Hillary Clinton. Dems could probably run Jeb! and be better off. Joe Manchin?
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Chilichimp posted:You are willfully ignoring that Obama ended the practice of leaving unaccompanied minors in immigrant detention to prove a point that you don’t need this example to make. so it's fine if they're accompanied? nobody's letting trump off the hook for anything, but we are also yelling at the people who stand aside and let him do whatever he wants (also obama really loved imprisoning immigrants)
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Right now I see Beto as the type of candidate we need. He's the most Obama-like, but the only thing is at least Obama was in the Senate. Beto doesn't have that going for him.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:35
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Your Taint posted:Right now I see Beto as the type of candidate we need. He's the most Obama-like, but the only thing is at least Obama was in the Senate. Beto doesn't have that going for him. I think Beto is going to be a heavily sought after VP candidate
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Nov 12, 2018 00:36
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King of Solomon posted:Yeah, I don't get it either. I thought even the centrists wanted her to go away forever at this point? Even those of us who were pretty big on HRC, and think she entirely deserved to win and that her platform is way better than she was given credit for, think that she needs to stay right out of Presidential politics entirely at this point. She tried, she lost, and it may or may not be fair to her but she needs to stay away so a better candidate can come forward. Rerunning 2016 will have the same outcome, Trump will deploy the same rhetoric and it will motivate just as many people, and whilst I suspect plenty of people will hold their nose for Clinton that didn't last time around, I also don't for a second expect anyone who wasn't convinced by her before to suddenly become proselytes that believe everything she has to say. It will absolutely cement the belief that the Dems just want to anoint their preferred candidate and demanding people vote for them. I like Clinton a lot. I wish she'd won, not just because of Trump but on her own merits. I think she'd have made an extraordinarily good and competent President. And I think she needs to never even hint she'd be interested in running again.
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean it's a fair response, and it's also not about the primary. one of these is not like the others, one of these is not the same 
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Nov 12, 2018 00:37
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The Glumslinger posted:I think Beto is going to be a heavily sought after VP candidate Which would be fine, but most people don't give a poo poo about the running mate.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:37
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Luckyellow posted:I'm just a low information voter, but why wouldn't Bernie run again in 2020? Gall stones, kidney stones, arthritis.... could be anything. Campaigning is a fuckload of work and he ain't exactly a spring chicken. I'm 32 and (besides being ineligible) there's no way in hell I'd do it - I'm too lazy.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:38
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Your Taint posted:He probably will, but he's also 6 million years old. Dems need to go young, like Obama was. there's a simple solution to this problem that still allows us to run our most popular politician: bernie + someone young and leftist for veep may i suggest sanders/turner 2020, followed by turner/ocasio-cortez 2024? eke out posted:this is a good point: when will Hillary apologize for her campaign staffers in 2008? we should address this first before relitigating 2016 i'm not sure why you're eager to relitigate 2016. in any case, her poor staffing choices are a reason she shouldn't be considered feasible in 2020
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GreyjoyBastard posted:one of these is not like the others, one of these is not the same Edit: yeah, Harris is pro-cop. Yeah, Booker is bald.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:38
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I still wanna see Duckworth smack Trump in the face with her leg on national TV.
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King of Solomon posted:Yeah, I don't get it either. I thought even the centrists wanted her to go away forever at this point? It makes sense from their perspective. She pretty much basically won last time around. Highest name recognition. Plus 4 years of the Trump poo poo show. She tweaks her message a little more left, absorbs the disaffected left voters who won't want to risk another 4 years of Trump. She will have a ton of money. I'm sure they think if she gets off to a strong start it will avoid a 100 person democratic centrist poo poo show primary. At worst they save the Bookers for another day instead of having everyone flame out and take damage in a gigantic primary. It's her last shot so go with that and at worse the dems lose and keep their powder dry with all the other centrists, or at best she wins. 1glitch0 fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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I like that the second 2016 chat got banned everyone figured out the loophole of "claim that the 2020 race will be bernie vs hillary" to continue the conversation (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Party Plane Jones posted:The discovery of nitrogen fixing processes is the most significant event of the 20th century. this is the first time someone's made a claim to the Most Significant Event of that century and I was willing to believe it was a well founded statement.
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Condiv posted:i'm not sure why you're eager to relitigate 2016. are you really this humorless or are you just not reading the thread at all
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Nov 12, 2018 00:40
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GreyjoyBastard posted:one of these is not like the others, one of these is not the same Gillibrand's opposition to BDS puts her into a similar league as the other two. I'm glad she no longer supports the bill that outright criminalized it, but still, she's not as good of a candidate as I think you want her to be.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:41
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GreyjoyBastard posted:one of these is not like the others, one of these is not the same She may have said she's not running, but that doesn't mean she's not running. 
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Nov 12, 2018 00:42
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Axetrain posted:Bernie is old as gently caress and I don't like it but he's still the best thing available. Also his answer on guns is bad. And thinks that identity politics is bad unless you are white and working class.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:42
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The Glumslinger posted:I think Beto is going to be a heavily sought after VP candidate Is there even a path for the Republicans to win in 2020 without Texas?
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Nov 12, 2018 00:43
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Luckyellow posted:Is there even a path for the Republicans to win in 2020 without Texas? No, but I don't think Dems will flip Texas even if Beto was running for President. However, he still has a great natural charisma and has turned himself into a nationally known democratic politician.
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Voters don't give a poo poo about age. Hillary and Trump are both olds. Stop bringing that up ugh.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:45
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The Glumslinger posted:No, but I don't think Dems will flip Texas even if Beto was running for President. However, he still has a great natural charisma and has turned himself into a nationally known democratic politician. i really don't get this. there are other "nationally known" democratic politicians who've actually held office. dunno why we should immediate jump him to veep
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Condiv posted:i really don't get this. there are other "nationally known" democratic politicians who've actually held office. dunno why we should immediate jump him to veep He was in the House before he ran for Senate
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Elephant Ambush posted:Voters don't give a poo poo about age. Hillary and Trump are both olds. Stop bringing that up ugh. You mean my corporate buzzwords about youth, energy and dynamism don't translate into the electoral landscape?
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Nov 12, 2018 00:47
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The Glumslinger posted:He was in the House before he ran for Senate you are right. i still like nina turner for veep better than him though. i haven't really found him that inspiring
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Nov 12, 2018 00:47
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Your Taint posted:He probably will, but he's also 6 million years old. Dems need to go young, like Obama was. There isn't anyone young and charismatic like Obama who also doesn't have lovely stances, and can hope to turn out the Democratic base and Dem-leaning independents, and will be eligible to run by 2020. There almost certainly will not be anyone like that to emerge between now and 2020.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:48
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The oldness argument is dumb since currently the guy leading the polls is only 2 years younger than him (Sanders does need a young VP but we aren't there yet)
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Nov 12, 2018 00:49
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Elephant Ambush posted:Voters don't give a poo poo about age. Hillary and Trump are both olds. Stop bringing that up ugh. i don't want the presidential debates to have to have bathroom breaks every half hour
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Nov 12, 2018 00:49
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Elephant Ambush posted:Voters don't give a poo poo about age. Hillary and Trump are both olds. Stop bringing that up ugh. this is obviously not true, why would you think voters don't care about age if aged-related illnesses might legitimately remove their preferred candidate from office voters might not really care when both candidates are roughly equally old and it's no longer a meaningful distinction but that's a different thing
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Nov 12, 2018 00:50
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eke out posted:this is obviously not true, why would you think voters don't care about age if aged-related illnesses might legitimately remove their preferred candidate from office Because the current president is a syphilitic senior citizen with clear dementia. quote:voters might not really care when both candidates are roughly equally old and it's no longer a meaningful distinction but that's a different thing Given that Trump will almost certainly be the Republican nominee in 2020, that kind of renders the age argument irrelevant.
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eke out posted:this is obviously not true, why would you think voters don't care about age if aged-related illnesses might legitimately remove their preferred candidate from office "Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of them are dumber than that."
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