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Pioneer42
Jun 8, 2010
Do weapon procs activate before or after the damage from the shot that triggered it (i.e does the shot benefit from a debuff)?

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FrostyJones
Sep 23, 2012
I want to say it's on/after damage. So a disruptor proc on the last weapon activation of a first volley would have the debuff on the second volley. First weapon activation of the first volley would have the debuff on every other hit of that volley.

At least, that's my understanding since procs went from per hit to per activation cycle.

Pioneer42
Jun 8, 2010
Thanks. Some of the mechanics are really hard to figure out in this game.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know

Pioneer42 posted:

Thanks. Some of the mechanics are really hard to figure out in this game.

The MMO HMO > Star Trek Online: Some of the mechanics are really hard to figure out

IPCRESS
May 27, 2012
Wait until he starts to notice that the tooltip mouseovers for equipment changes in space vs. on the ground.

Blacula
Dec 22, 2008

Also, Dude, mechanic is not the preferred nomenclature. Engineer, please.

Teron D Amun
Oct 9, 2010

the sky is falling, we got a phoenix + upgrade weekend in one

MREBoy
Mar 14, 2005

MREs - They're whats for breakfast, lunch AND dinner !
Well the GMs as a "one-time courtesy" are moving the AoD pack for me to the character I wanted it on originally. Only took 3 days and escalating the ticket to a Specialist Game Master for some reason (their escalation, not mine). Also re: Phoenix boxes - Onna on DS9 is not bugged anymore, so you can claim it there and not have to go to Droz for it.

So I was wondering, why would Cryptic or PWE turn on both Upgrade & Phoenix at the same time ? AFAIK there's never been a double something weekend ever. For the brief time I logged in a few minutes ago dil was at 277. Is this a move on their part to influence dil price or (more likely) quantity ? I already have most of my most used space/ground bits at mk 14 rare or ultra rare, but the very slight bump in numbers makes me question expending any resources even just for the bump to mk 15, much less to gold.

fakemirage
Nov 6, 2012

Can't see the haters.

MREBoy posted:

Well the GMs as a "one-time courtesy" are moving the AoD pack for me to the character I wanted it on originally. Only took 3 days and escalating the ticket to a Specialist Game Master for some reason (their escalation, not mine).
The "specialists" are usually the ones that do anything in-game in my experience... but they tend to be a bit weird when you have to deal with them directly. Good to hear that they were willing to sort it out for you.

MREBoy posted:

So I was wondering, why would Cryptic or PWE turn on both Upgrade & Phoenix at the same time ?
The CM probably needed to upgrade some stuff.

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal
Last phoenix promo didn't move the needle much, and everyone just hordes the poo poo until the next upgrade weekend anyways.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.
Well, the Battle of the Binary was meant to be on the 8th, but then it changed to the 15th. That's what people are saying, at least, and it makes enough sense to me.

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

MREBoy posted:

Well the GMs as a "one-time courtesy" are moving the AoD pack for me to the character I wanted it on originally. Only took 3 days and escalating the ticket to a Specialist Game Master for some reason (their escalation, not mine). Also re: Phoenix boxes - Onna on DS9 is not bugged anymore, so you can claim it there and not have to go to Droz for it.

So I was wondering, why would Cryptic or PWE turn on both Upgrade & Phoenix at the same time ? AFAIK there's never been a double something weekend ever. For the brief time I logged in a few minutes ago dil was at 277. Is this a move on their part to influence dil price or (more likely) quantity ? I already have most of my most used space/ground bits at mk 14 rare or ultra rare, but the very slight bump in numbers makes me question expending any resources even just for the bump to mk 15, much less to gold.
They're trying to keep the dil price down, I think. Or they hate me personally because I got tired of waiting for the dil rate to go down and finally converted 2.5m dil into zen the day before they announced the phoenix/upgrade weekend.

For upgrading stuff, moving from mk 14 to 15 can provide a decent increase, especially for weapons and weapon consoles. Getting things to gold is less important, though again there's a decent increase for weapons by getting them to gold. I think most people do the omega upgrade on mk 2 weapons gamble to get a set of gold weapons, though. Upgrading a mk 15 weapon from UR to epic is just too expensive. Fleet consoles are cheap enough to upgrade that they're worth getting to gold. Everything else on the ship/ground people just upgrade to gold when they've run out of anything else to do in the game.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
I don't bother with getting stuff to gold because there is literally nothing in this game that requires it.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Except lording it over people who don't have everything gold.

Burning_Monk
Jan 11, 2005
Mad, Bad, and Dangerous to know
Too busy correcting the spelling in people's bios.

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.
https://twitter.com/trekonlinegame/status/1061006020405682181

What the gently caress is going on. This is two STF/event missions now.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
STO is a glassware shop run by a blind person who can only move by running at full speed windmilling their arms.

Rx King
Mar 4, 2003



With a somewhat decent dilithium exchange rate, I finally decided to sell it all. From a maxed out toon account, I do the EC, Ferengi, and Klingon missions to get the most out of it. The EC in the account bank was about a 2 week farm time and the dilithium took over a month with a few breaks. It takes a little over an hour to cycle through them all but in the end it's worth not having to spend a dime on the game.

Lagomorphic
Apr 21, 2008

AKA: Orthonormal

Coq au Nandos posted:

https://twitter.com/trekonlinegame/status/1061006020405682181

What the gently caress is going on. This is two STF/event missions now.

That one wasn't spawning enemies anymore so you just flew around until you gave up and ate the leaver penalty.

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

Burning_Monk posted:

I don't bother with getting stuff to gold because there is literally nothing in this game that requires it.
For weapons that you can get at mk 2, it's arguably a bigger waste to not get gold ones as long as you do it right. And there's a decent DPS increase from using gold weapons/tac consoles.

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

IIRC Druk made the ultimate bragging weapons: a set of mk 14 whites

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Now that the phoenix stuff and poking at a disco alt is getting me away from the security officers... I think this is the most deserted I've ever seen STO. ESD, New Romulus, and Drozana are almost empty.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Cythereal posted:

Now that the phoenix stuff and poking at a disco alt is getting me away from the security officers... I think this is the most deserted I've ever seen STO. ESD, New Romulus, and Drozana are almost empty.

When all the stuff they hype to players keeps launching in a broken unplayable state it's not a surprise.

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


An ST:Discovery themed expansion failing to draw an audience? Who could have foreseen this.

LegionAreI
Nov 14, 2006
Lurk

Asimo posted:

An ST:Discovery themed expansion failing to draw an audience? Who could have foreseen this.

Cutting an expansion that was super well received off for some hastily thrown together corporate bullshit? I can't possibly see anything wrong with doing that either.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




In past they've had basic metrics from people logging in to do the rep grind, but I suspect like me most people clicked their way through a single day of raising all their reps towards T6 and went 'oh gently caress it'

I have Monster Hunter for my terrible grind now.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

MikeJF posted:

In past they've had basic metrics from people logging in to do the rep grind, but I suspect like me most people clicked their way through a single day of raising all their reps towards T6 and went 'oh gently caress it'

I have Monster Hunter for my terrible grind now.

Pretty much my experience and I already had a large stockpile of marks to burn so I didn't even need to grind. No point playing broken content.

My new grind is Destiny 2. Got a free copy from battle.net. I reckon I'll get some replay out of it so I bought the DLC content and that'll do me for the next month or two.

Then I think Division 2 is due out in Feb 2019? Or so? That'll be next.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Nov 12, 2018

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

DancingShade posted:

Pretty much my experience and I already had a large stockpile of marks to burn so I didn't even need to grind. No point playing broken content.

My new grind is Destiny 2. Got a free copy from battle.net. I reckon I'll get some replay out of it so I bought the DLC content and that'll do me for the next month or two.

Then I think Division 2 is due out in Feb 2019? Or so? That'll be next.

I played through the free copy of Destiny 2, I thought it was very mediocre. Kinda got the same feeling I do about STO and its space combat - the shooting is decently fun, but the game mechanics are unintuitive as hell, the story is awful, and the endgame is super grindy.

MREBoy
Mar 14, 2005

MREs - They're whats for breakfast, lunch AND dinner !
I'm dusting off a Fed Sci captain character I made a long time ago, got to 50, and then sort of forgot about but have actually been using for extra storage space. The character dates to well before the skill tree redo in Season 11.5 and I have to re-pick all the skills. I was looking at the wiki and was wondering if the guides there are still valid, particularly the sci-heavy Space Gandalf one.

Coq au Nandos
Nov 7, 2006

I think I would say to my daughters if they were to ask me this question... A shitpost is the greatest gift that you can give someone, the ultimate gift of giving and don't give it to someone lightly, that's what I would say.

MREBoy posted:

I'm dusting off a Fed Sci captain character I made a long time ago, got to 50, and then sort of forgot about but have actually been using for extra storage space. The character dates to well before the skill tree redo in Season 11.5 and I have to re-pick all the skills. I was looking at the wiki and was wondering if the guides there are still valid, particularly the sci-heavy Space Gandalf one.

No - they nerfed the sci ultimate ability because it was too good and now it’s worthless. Invest in EPG, Control, Drain and Targeting and you can pretty much forget the rest unless you’re desperate for some extra science cooldown reduction.

Dalris Othaine
Oct 14, 2013

I think, therefore I am inevitable.

MikeJF posted:

In past they've had basic metrics from people logging in to do the rep grind, but I suspect like me most people clicked their way through a single day of raising all their reps towards T6 and went 'oh gently caress it'

pls dont doxx me tia

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

MikeJF posted:

In past they've had basic metrics from people logging in to do the rep grind, but I suspect like me most people clicked their way through a single day of raising all their reps towards T6 and went 'oh gently caress it'

I have Monster Hunter for my terrible grind now.
I managed to finish it on a couple of my chars (who already had enough marks, so it was just an insane amount of clicking), and while the explosion of glowy symbols is cool, it really isn't worth it.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
That's the thing about rewards. Punters need to actually perceive them as rewards in order to jump through the hoops.

A promoter labeling a three day old soggy cold meat pie a reward still doesn't mean anyone is going to want it.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Revamp dino ground zone and make it actually desirable for people to participate compared to other available activities, is what I'm saying.

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

DancingShade posted:

That's the thing about rewards. Punters need to actually perceive them as rewards in order to jump through the hoops.

A promoter labeling a three day old soggy cold meat pie a reward still doesn't mean anyone is going to want it.
The account-wide rep gear discount is nice, but you only need to do it on one character per account (and I probably spent more dil unlocking the discounts than I'll save anytime soon). I guess the fleet modules are good if you don't already have more ships than you can play, but unlocking them is a long grind for the new players who need them the most. The other stuff is basically cosmetic, and half useless because no one runs rep weapons no matter what damage type cryptic adds to them. They're too expensive to upgrade and cryptic nerfed weapon procs so hard they might as well not exist.

Archonex
May 2, 2012

MY OPINION IS SEERS OF THE THRONE PROPAGANDA IGNORE MY GNOSIS-IMPAIRED RAMBLINGS
So out of curiosity what's the current policy for pubbies joining the Fed goon fleet?

A friend of mine has gotten into MMO's for literally the first time ever and we were looking for a good guild.

As a fun side note, she did join one but it turns out it's some hosed up ponzi scheme where the lower ranks pay into projects and the fleet bank for the higher ranks with no way to get anything out of it. Which kind of made a bad impression on her, to say the least.

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


I've only done the T6 rep stuff on one character, for the account discount. At some point I'll have to level up Gamma on a few others, because the vanity shield is hot pink.

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 7, 2008

Enjoy your tea...

Archonex posted:

So out of curiosity what's the current policy for pubbies joining the Fed goon fleet?

A friend of mine has gotten into MMO's for literally the first time ever and we were looking for a good guild.

As a fun side note, she did join one but it turns out it's some hosed up ponzi scheme where the lower ranks pay into projects and the fleet bank for the higher ranks with no way to get anything out of it. Which kind of made a bad impression on her, to say the least.

Historically if it’s someone you know personally they’re cool to join, but you’re basically responsible for them if they don’t behave themselves.

We already had someone go off the deep end after a goon’s kid rinsed the fleet bank. Was pretty funny.

Trebuchet King
Jul 5, 2005

This post...

...is a
WORK OF FICTION!!



god the eight year old plundering the bank was hilarious, but i don’t remember anyone going off the deep end. there was a guy near-ish the same time who thought experience bij was dumb and reported pulse but that was unrelated to the 8 year old.

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Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Nah one guy got really upset at our greens being stolen

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