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nine-gear crow posted:While we're at it let's investigate all those hookers JFK banged. I'm sure Iran-Contra could use another go over with a fine-toothed comb. And what was up with Teapot Dome anyway? We should get to the bottom of that one. I don't think this is a very good argument, George W. Bush escaped consequences for being a war criminal who murdered millions and still campaigns today while earning liberal praise for not being as rude as Trump, and Hillary still has enough relevance and power to be worried about as a serious contender for 2020 and was also responsible for a variety of disastrous foreign interventions as SoS.
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nine-gear crow posted:While we're at it let's investigate all those hookers JFK banged. I'm sure Iran-Contra could use another go over with a fine-toothed comb. And what was up with Teapot Dome anyway? We should get to the bottom of that one. i don't think its honest to say George W Bush, new candy-general of the #Resistance is irrelevant or holds no power. he should be investigated and ideally punished for his disasterous presidency, the consequences of which were are still neck-deep in today Chilichimp posted:You know what? Fuckin' I'm just gonna drop this. good
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I try to think of a more horrible death than fleeing from flames, knowing you can't get away as the smoke and heat overtakes you, and this dumb rear end in a top hat is trying to use that suffering and tragedy to (badly) score political points. I know people whose friends and family barely made it out alive. I'm walking through the smoke and haze every day knowing that more bodies are going to be found and more people are losing everything they have. A lot of poo poo from this administration has pissed me off but I am loving livid right now.  "His entire loving job is to send his thoughts and prayers and offer aid." It can't even do that. Sorry.
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Lumpy posted:I don't think Trump hates Latinos as much as he LOVES the cheers he gets when he talks about hating them at his rallies. Miller, on the other hand really loving hates them, and translates those cheers into easy policy steering for our idiot president. i don't think you can claim he's just doing it for the crowd when his very first speech as candidate was the one where he called mexicans rapists. that's not something that happens if you're just playing to the crowd. there's really no distinction between doing it for publicity and doing it because you're a racist.
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Mr Interweb posted:Here's a question: why are we arguing whether Hillary or Bernie should have won? If hillary have gotten a couple points (basically w/o comey letter) more, she would have dragged feingold/kander/that PA guy over the line and given the democrats a 51/49 senate then they could have confirmed a liberal scotus justice to replace scalia, and ginsburg could have retired and replaced with a young liberal justice too the trade off of TRUMP for the democrats is basically electoral victories in exchange for a solidly conservative SCOTUS for the next generation or two, a hillary victory would have being getting a liberal SCOTUS in exchange for another decade or so of electoral bloodletting an entire generation of liberal legislation pretty much rests on an 85 year old woman not dying at this point Typo fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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nine-gear crow posted:While we're at it let's investigate all those hookers JFK banged. I'm sure Iran-Contra could use another go over with a fine-toothed comb. And what was up with Teapot Dome anyway? We should get to the bottom of that one. I don't know how saying I completely support the Russia investigation and want the concept expanded to include everyone is "Deflecting from Trump." Can only one person be investigated at a time or something?
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think this is a very good argument, George W. Bush escaped consequences for being a war criminal who murdered millions and still campaigns today while earning liberal praise for not being as rude as Trump, and Hillary still has enough relevance and power to be worried about as a serious contender for 2020 and was also responsible for a variety of disastrous foreign interventions as SoS. Didn't Hilary model her tenure as SoS after Henry Kissinger? edit: If it's not clear, I'm saying she's trash.
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Chilichimp posted:Pence is also a loving moron, so I doubt the'd get away with much more... at least the gaslighting would stop. Ah yes, religious conservatives are totally incapable of gaslighting people
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Lumpy posted:I don't think Trump hates Latinos as much as he LOVES the cheers he gets when he talks about hating them at his rallies. Miller, on the other hand really loving hates them, and translates those cheers into easy policy steering for our idiot president.
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Chilichimp posted:Didn't Hilary model her tenure as SoS after Henry Kissinger? I uh, certainly hope not. 
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Yudo posted:Trump won't go quiet like Nixon and this isn't the same country. It's not to say don't investigate, but it is better to be realistic: anything other than the political defeat of Trumpism will be a disaster. I think that's the point of an investigation at this point, to be a political tool. Unless a House investigation finds that Trump is personally bugging the Pentagon for Putin, an impeachment wouldn't be resolved before the election. If Democrats want to punch holes in Trump 2020, then the best way to do that is to have Adam Schiff raise hell. Trump has had difficulty withstanding a friendly Congress and the slow drip of the Mueller probe. A Democratic House that finds water could do real damage. Farchanter fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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Trazz posted:Ah yes, religious conservatives are totally incapable of gaslighting people I just thought of him asking us to thank the Lord for this great country and smiled at my nativity.
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Stexils posted:i don't think you can claim he's just doing it for the crowd when his very first speech as candidate was the one where he called mexicans rapists. that's not something that happens if you're just playing to the crowd. Oh, I think he's racist and has been his entire life. I think he has become more racist in the last year because it gets him cheered. Edit: if his racism didn't get cheers, he'd hide it or promote some other awful part of him that the chuds would cheer.
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EugeneDebsWasCool posted:Wasn't Geithner a Treasury Dept. bureaucrat and at think-tanks/IMF before becoming Fed Chairman and Treasury Sect? He's a capitalist vampire but I don't think he worked on Wall St. I could be wrong about that though. hey, yeah you're totally right here's an article about how it was misreported on and gave everyone the wrong impression at the time. thanks for clarifying https://dealbook.nytimes.com/2010/0...2E65FFA&gwt=pay
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Lightning Knight posted:I uh, certainly hope not. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/13/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-harms-her-campaign She would have been a very lovely president.
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Majorian posted:And on top of that, for a full picture, the center-left party in France absolutely shat the bed in the years leading up to their ouster. Hollande campaigned on resisting austerity policies, only to do a 180 before long. He also adopted a pretty interventionist foreign policy. He did not, in other words, behave very much like a socialist. Macron was Hollande's Finance Minister.
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Farchanter posted:I think that's the point of an investigation at this point, to be a political tool. Unless a House investigation finds that Trump is personally bugging the Pentagon for Putin, an impeachment wouldn't be resolved before the election. If Democrats want to punch holes in Trump 2020, then the best way to do that is to have Adam Schiff raise hell. what exactly -can- they find at this point I guess the tax returns?
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Chilichimp posted:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/13/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-harms-her-campaign Thanks to this article I now know that Hitchens thought that Kissenger should be indicted for war crimes, insert "the worst person you know just made a great point" meme here.
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Farchanter posted:I think that's the point of an investigation at this point, to be a political tool. If we want to punch holes in Trump 2020, then the best way to do that is to have Adam Schiff raise hell. Using legal sanction as an instrument of politics is not a thing to be celebrated. The way to win isn't Russia because I think if you examine polling voters in the states Dems need to win don't give a gently caress. Try this: a modestly appealing candidate, running with easily to articulate policy goals, that bothers to visit Milwaukee at least once.
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Farchanter posted:I think that's the point of an investigation at this point, to be a political tool. If we want to punch holes in Trump 2020, then the best way to do that is to have Adam Schiff raise hell. i mean, investigate away, but... i don't really see it accomplishing anything? the republican senate isn't going to allow impeachment no matter what, the republican base will support trump and believe whatever transparent lie he comes up with after the investigation, and everyone else already knows that he's corrupt. he openly brags about not paying taxes ffs. he's the most openly corrupt president in history, an investigation saying "yep he's corrupt" or "yep he stole votes" isn't going to influence the elections.
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Lightning Knight posted:I uh, certainly hope not. I don't think she modeled per se, but literally the worst thing about Hillary is her friendship with Kissinger and she probably at least sought his advice
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Stexils posted:i mean, investigate away, but... i don't really see it accomplishing anything? the republican senate isn't going to allow impeachment no matter what, the republican base will support trump and believe whatever transparent lie he comes up with after the investigation, and everyone else already knows that he's corrupt. he openly brags about not paying taxes ffs. he's the most openly corrupt president in history, an investigation saying "yep he's corrupt" or "yep he stole votes" isn't going to influence the elections. The investigations are to give those suburban dumbasses who voted for him in 2016 one more data point to get it through their thick skulls that Trump loving sucks. Apparently some of them got the message given the Dem performance in the 'burbs this cycle but you have to keep reminding them otherwise they forget.
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Typo posted:what exactly -can- they find at this point Remember all those articles about Adam Schiff wanting stuff to be subpoenad for the HSCI investigation into Russian active measures... and how Nunes would never approve anything the Dem minority wanted and instead went on a full blown cover-the-presidents-rear end investigation instead? I guarantee you that Schiff has a list of stuff he's gonna be requesting immediately.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I wonder how The_Donald is doing tonight. Maybe things calmed dow... who is "semengirl"? do i wanna know?
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enraged_camel posted:who is "semengirl"? Kyrsten Senima, from Arizona. She's the Dem currently winning the Senate race via FRAUD and TREACHERY edit; spelling
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Stexils posted:he's the most openly corrupt president in history i thought Grant held that title
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RaySmuckles posted:i thought Grant held that title Grant wasn't really personally corrupt, he just was terrible about nepotism and judging character. I would say the most openly corrupt president in history was likely Warren Harding.
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Chilichimp posted:It's been 18 months... and it's not low on lists of voter priorities, it's low on lists of right wingers and some center-right people. Here is the latest polling that I could easily find. It is pretty low. https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-healthcare-economy-immigration.aspx More telling is that this poll comes after a previous one with respondents not being prompted and the Russia investigation had too few responses that the pollsters didn't assign it a numerical value. https://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I wonder how The_Donald is doing tonight. Maybe things calmed dow... Having an extremely normal one RaySmuckles posted:i thought Grant held that title Coolidge maybe?
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Ague Proof posted:Macron was Hollande's Finance Minister.  How could I forget? The perfect encapsulation of how awful Hollande's government was.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Here is the latest polling that I could easily find. It is pretty low. I don't really have a problem with the order of that list, and the lower % of people concerned with the Russia investigation might have more to do with the partisan nature of the investigation and the fact that most people think it's being handled, and aren't concerned. I'd like to see where this is polling now with the AG hatchman being illegally given the job and immediately taking over oversight of the OSC.
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Stexils posted:freaking history nerds, can't even call someone "the most incompetent president" without someone piping up "what about buchanan" Andrew Johnson got so lonely during impeachment that he befriended a family of mice living in the White House.
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Chilichimp posted:I don't really have a problem with the order of that list, and the lower % of people concerned with the Russia investigation might have more to do with the partisan nature of the investigation and the fact that most people think it's being handled, and aren't concerned. It is only on the list because the respondents wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.
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Stexils posted:freaking history nerds, can't even call someone "the most incompetent president" without someone piping up "what about buchanan" i'm a firm believer in the mantra of 
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Ague Proof posted:Andrew Johnson got so lonely during impeachment that he befriended a family of mice living in the White House. That's the most endearing bit of presidential trivia I have ever heard. Thank you.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:That's the most endearing bit of presidential trivia I have ever heard. Thank you. Don't humanize Andrew Johnson, he was a piece of poo poo! 
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Chilichimp posted:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/13/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-harms-her-campaign https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...m=.c0fc8ef30711 Hillary Rodham Clinton posted:Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels. Though we have often seen the world and some of our challenges quite differently, and advocated different responses now and in the past, what comes through clearly in this new book is a conviction that we, and President Obama, share: a belief in the indispensability of continued American leadership in service of a just and liberal order. I think if everybody took the time to read this review, all those Hillary vs Bernie arguments would end a lot quicker.
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Chilichimp posted:I don't really have a problem with the order of that list, and the lower % of people concerned with the Russia investigation might have more to do with the partisan nature of the investigation and the fact that most people think it's being handled, and aren't concerned. personally i'm still not understanding the leap from "voters don't care about the investigation because it hasn't shown anything about trump" to "voters won't care about it even if it does" i also don't really get how, even if the latter is true, it makes said investigation bad. i mean, beyond the facile why-don't-you-investigate-hillary nothing-mattersing that's unironically being posted
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