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MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



I never changed the clock on my bike when daylight saving time started, now it's back to normal and my time is correct again. All that laziness paid off.

(I have to google for the manual every time I change the time, so I just waited it out)

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Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib
Lifehack: Purposefully randomize the time in all your vehicles to eliminate the stress of knowing what time it is. If you leave for work late, you will be late, though sometimes you will still be early. Either way it doesn't matter once you swing a leg over.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Kawasaki, 2017: "We're ending production of the W800 forever, it's not economical to re-engineer it to be euro4 compliant."

*used prices double overnight*

*accessory companies cease production of W800-specific add-ons*

Kawasaki, about an hour ago: "Surprise! Have a euro4 compliant W800, now with disc brakes on both ends! :newlol:"


e/ oh ffs it's got ABS as well :cripes:

e2/ actually the most important thing is that they finally did something about that loving dire left side fuel injector guard.

Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Nov 6, 2018

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Also Kawasaki, 2016: "Watch out for half a dozen new supercharged bikes across the next two years!"

Crickets: *chirping*


I guess they were counting every available colour and trim option of the H2 (SX (SE(+))) as a separate model.

captainOrbital
Jan 23, 2003

Wrathchild!
💢🧒
I wonder if they're bringing the W800 to the dystopian nightmare known as the United States.

Also, thanks for reminding me to change the clock on my bike. And car(s).

Keket
Apr 18, 2009

Mhmm
For gently caress sake Yamaha, 2020!?

https://dirtbikemagazine.com/yamaha-tenere-700-announced-adventure-bike-spotlight/

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib
I don't understand why announcements can't come a few months before release, maximum. Instead, we get this teaser bullshit for years, then a release letting us know the thing we've been asking for will be ready in another several years.

Just say "We have this thing and you can now buy it" and capitalize on people seeing the new thing and wanting it RIGHT NOW.

right arm
Oct 30, 2011


lol no poo poo. idk why the hell you'd wait for this when the KTM 790R should be stateside in the spring and will be an infinitely better bike

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Coydog posted:

I don't understand why announcements can't come a few months before release, maximum. Instead, we get this teaser bullshit for years, then a release letting us know the thing we've been asking for will be ready in another several years.

Just say "We have this thing and you can now buy it" and capitalize on people seeing the new thing and wanting it RIGHT NOW.

right arm posted:

lol no poo poo. idk why the hell you'd wait for this when the KTM 790R should be stateside in the spring and will be an infinitely better bike

And now you know why they do it. It's to act as a spoiler to their competitors.

Keket
Apr 18, 2009

Mhmm

right arm posted:

lol no poo poo. idk why the hell you'd wait for this when the KTM 790R should be stateside in the spring and will be an infinitely better bike

Didn't the ktm get announced later and is releasing earlier? I heard Europe Q1 next year.

I can understand the marketing of teasing something for a bit before releasing it, building hype, getting people to think about how their current bike could do with upgrading, etc. But in reality you wanna give a year, a year is enough time for someone to go 'oh neat new bike' 'man my old bikes kinda meh, maybe i should look into new bike' 'riding seasons almost over' 'getting that nice bonus soon' then bam, new bike.

I really wanted a T7 when it was announced forever ago, now I'm looking at the KTM more and more, or possibly something else completely.

But not a T7.

Razzled
Feb 3, 2011

MY HARLEY IS COOL
I got a call from the Indian dealer, looks like FTR1200 is set for March release next year.

I want to demo ride one, but I don't think I see myself making it my only bike. Which I'd have to because drat they're expensive

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

Keket posted:

Didn't the ktm get announced later and is releasing earlier? I heard Europe Q1 next year.

I can understand the marketing of teasing something for a bit before releasing it, building hype, getting people to think about how their current bike could do with upgrading, etc. But in reality you wanna give a year, a year is enough time for someone to go 'oh neat new bike' 'man my old bikes kinda meh, maybe i should look into new bike' 'riding seasons almost over' 'getting that nice bonus soon' then bam, new bike.

I really wanted a T7 when it was announced forever ago, now I'm looking at the KTM more and more, or possibly something else completely.

But not a T7.

from what I've read they were pushing for spring in the US, but I could be wrong :shrug:

the KTM is gonna be better in every way. their quickshifter is so so insanely good, plus all the other optional electronics poo poo they have (cruise control, etc.) is kick rear end for an 800cc adv

pokie
Apr 27, 2008

IT HAPPENED!

Pedestrians, why you be like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKs2XqcjHT4

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

Was that an ironhead? That's a bit unfair to old bikes in general, those things are some of the worst motors I've seen. There's a vintage Harley specialist near me here and he refuses to work on ironheads because they suck so much.

Some of the most interesting things I've seen working on old vs. new stuff is the range of things that used to require adjustment which don't today. My 1956 BMW has bolts inside the transmission that allow adjustment of the throw of the internal linkage that rotates the cam. Never seen that on anything 1970s or newer. I assume the casting, metallurgy and machining at the factories got accurate enough that those things didn't need to be tweaked to make them work right anymore.

And the things which were overbuilt and underbuilt, because designers just didn't know what needed to be strong and what didn't. The wheel bearings and spokes on a 1923 Ner-a-Car are beefy enough for sidecar work, despite the bike being lighter than a modern scooter. But the handlebars are so long and poorly braced that it's hard to see in the mirrors if you take your hands off the bars. And the engine case looks like some kind of Bauhaus art, the motor mount bosses are so thin and long. I've never seen a case so spindly.

Also the variation between brands is interesting, I've worked on a 1957 Zündapp in addition to my 56 BMW, and they seem nothing alike, despite being made at the same time. They're both heavy and their wiring colors are similar, that's all they share. The BMW is simple and sturdy and most parts on it are stronger than they need to be. Almost every moving part on the bike has a rolling element bearing. Cam, crank, rods, rockers, swingarms. Many things that would just be bushings on a British bike from the same era. (WW1 era Henderson fours have no rolling element bearings in the engine at all, everything is a bushing. That blew my mind when I learned it, I didn't think motors could run like that) The Zündapp looked like it was designed by an Italian with a BBW fetish. Not much of it fit together, there were many flimsy sheet metal parts, it was heavy but not sturdy. One (only one) of the body panels was magnesium for no reason at all.

I think so? I've tried to erase most of the memories of working on that thing out of my head. Pity, cause the rider is a genuinely good dude, just reliving the sins of his elders.

Also I'm loving laughing my rear end off at Yamaha releasing the T7 as a heavy rear end adventure bike with marginal horsepower. The 790 Adventure, if that PTwin ends up being a reliable engine, is gonna blow the drat thing out of the water.

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

Z3n posted:

Also I'm loving laughing my rear end off at Yamaha releasing the T7 as a heavy rear end adventure bike with marginal horsepower. The 790 Adventure, if that PTwin ends up being a reliable engine, is gonna blow the drat thing out of the water.

yeah it's gonna rule. might get rid of my GSA just so I can have more KTMs :D

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


Man, my ding dog father in law...
He got out of riding last winter and sold his super nice TR650 and gave me basically all his nice gear. Just last week he got a 2013 NC700XD. I feel bad because he's now without a good jacket, boots, heated gear, etc and he's so generous that he'll refuse to take any of it back. I mean I get it's just an opportunity for him to geek out over new gear, but poo poo ain't cheap. On the other hand, if you're impulsively grabbing a new nice bike, it's probably fine.
Also cool that we can get back to planning a trip or two.

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



I had made plans on Friday to go on a canyon ride Saturday morning, woke up Saturday morning feeling a bit tired and spacey but got out to ride anyway. I knew I wasn't 100% so I didn't even go hard, mostly focused on keeping speed in the turns and not really speeding up the straights. Coming back down the mountain I was thinking about poo poo other than riding, along with looking for my upcoming turn onto another road, then managed to end up in the gravel seen here. I have no idea how I hosed up that turn, not like it's sharp or I was going that fast, but at least I managed to keep the bike up in the gravel and avoid the larger rocks.



Looking at it now, I have no idea how it happened. My GoPro unfortunately ran out of space or battery a few minutes before it happened, so I can't even review the battery. I'm fairly certain that's the gravel I went into, there's another similar looking gravel area a bit before this, but that turn is just as gentle. It was the closest I've been to dropping the bike at speed.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

MomJeans420 posted:

I had made plans on Friday to go on a canyon ride Saturday morning, woke up Saturday morning feeling a bit tired and spacey but got out to ride anyway. I knew I wasn't 100% so I didn't even go hard, mostly focused on keeping speed in the turns and not really speeding up the straights. Coming back down the mountain I was thinking about poo poo other than riding, along with looking for my upcoming turn onto another road, then managed to end up in the gravel seen here. I have no idea how I hosed up that turn, not like it's sharp or I was going that fast, but at least I managed to keep the bike up in the gravel and avoid the larger rocks.



Looking at it now, I have no idea how it happened. My GoPro unfortunately ran out of space or battery a few minutes before it happened, so I can't even review the battery. I'm fairly certain that's the gravel I went into, there's another similar looking gravel area a bit before this, but that turn is just as gentle. It was the closest I've been to dropping the bike at speed.

Only takes a second of distraction at the wrong time then the surprise leads to target fixation leads to splat - it's happened to me a couple of times, including once on a corner I take literally every single day when a pedestrian appeared out of nowhere.

Chalk it down to experience and work on your concentration (or on recognising when your concentration drops and slowing down).

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



I honestly was shocked to see what a mild turn it was when I looked it up on google maps, but at least I didn't drop the bike and there were no injuries. What's frustrating is I fully understand the concept of target fixation, but it still got me 2.5 years and thousands of miles after I started riding.

HenryJLittlefinger
Jan 31, 2010

stomp clap


MomJeans420 posted:

I honestly was shocked to see what a mild turn it was when I looked it up on google maps, but at least I didn't drop the bike and there were no injuries. What's frustrating is I fully understand the concept of target fixation, but it still got me 2.5 years and thousands of miles after I started riding.

There is nothing like being mentally exhausted to flip that switch and make target fixation a thing again. I just about sent it into a creek earlier this year on a very familiar turn. It's so frustrating.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
Would it really be so difficult for manufacturers to run the ignition wires inside the handlebar and down through the hole in the middle of the head bearings to make hot wiring be not trivially easy

Or maybe put the starter and key literally anywhere else on the bike so those wires don't have to be exposed in the first place

captainOrbital
Jan 23, 2003

Wrathchild!
💢🧒
Manufacturers, please don't put [motorcycles] in [England]

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Renaissance Robot posted:

Would it really be so difficult for manufacturers to run the ignition wires inside the handlebar and down through the hole in the middle of the head bearings to make hot wiring be not trivially easy

Or maybe put the starter and key literally anywhere else on the bike so those wires don't have to be exposed in the first place

1. Harley put all the control wires inside the handlebars, it's horrible and stupid because every time you want to take a switch block off you have to remove the bars and unpin the connector terminals to get the wires out.

2. Even 90's CDI bikes (as well as some efi bikes, sv1000 springs to mind) often had a hotwire prevention device in the form of a resistor inside the barrel joining the main power wire to a security wire going to the CDI. The CDI looks for a small voltage there, if it sees 12v because you've cut and joined all the wires together, it won't spark. The security wire usually isn't on the wiring diagram (presumably for security) so it makes for a lot of fun if you're not aware of their existence and the resistor in the barrel fucks out.

3. Only crackheads and amateur morons try to hotwire a bike to steal it, successful thieves turn up with a van and two mates to help put the bike in the van

4. Modern bikes tend to have immobilisers, the ones that don't (like I assume yours) are usually the bikes built on older platforms where fitting an immobiliser is too much cost/effort for the factory

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Renaissance Robot posted:

Would it really be so difficult for manufacturers to run the ignition wires inside the handlebar and down through the hole in the middle of the head bearings to make hot wiring be not trivially easy

Or maybe put the starter and key literally anywhere else on the bike so those wires don't have to be exposed in the first place

Wires in the bars is aesthetically pleasing, but makes maintenance a nightmare and doesnt stop someone who wants to hotwire your bike.

As mentioned though, hotwiring doesnt really happen. Much like how no one picks locks, they just show up with bolt cutters, no one hotwires bikes, they just move them

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000
It's not uncommon for someone to gently caress up the wiring on a bike because they think they can hotwire it, though

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
"Crackheads and amateur morons" probably describes a lot of the folk out at midnight in central Bristol, which is where someone hosed up trying to knife through my ignition wires, so yeah fair enough

I don't know why I was thinking about this, it was like two years ago now. Still ticks me off though.


No shade on Bristol, it's cool and good but really does have some issues :(

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

On my CL350 you literally can just cut the harness where it comes out of the keyswitch and short two wires together and you're good to go.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000
On my BMW R69 you can cut all the wires coming out of the motor and that turns on the ignition and you're good to go

Coydog
Mar 5, 2007



Fallen Rib

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:

On my BMW R69 you can cut all the wires coming out of the motor and that turns on the ignition and you're good to go

What

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Kills by earthing the ignition system I'm guessing?

On a gl145 you can do the same thing, they have AC points so the only way to shut the bike off is to earth the ignition system. This is backwards to every other normal bike with breaker points, thanks Honda.

Key on = lights have power, coil has no earth. Key off = lights open circuit, coil is earthed.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000
Yeah it's a magneto ignition, dirt bike style, doesn't run off the battery

Chris Knight
Jun 5, 2002

me @ ur posts


Fun Shoe

Only way to keep all that powerful german electricity inside!

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
So possibly in response to me making a joke about how BMW owners have to take off their rear wheel to replace the headlight, the light on the Monster blew last night. Owners manual advice? "Have lights replaced by an approved Ducati dealer". Service manual procedure for doing so? Step one: "Remove instrument cluster". Fucks sake.

Luckily a quick bit of Youtube searching showed all you actually have to do is loosen two bolts and pull one connector to get enough clearance at the back of the housing to replace the bulb, which although conceptually is still loving horrible is considerably easier than quite a few bikes that have supposedly "convenient" ways to replace the bulbs (I'm looking at you Aprilia with your "just undo these two bolts and swing the light down oh wait the triple is in the way and if you don't have the fingers of a rock-climbing neurosurgeon you'll still never be able to actually get the retainer off the back of the bulb, let alone back on")

MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



I've been meaning to a SoCal Supermoto track day this whole year, but never got around to scheduling it. My buddy wants to go too and we realized with two people it's only an extra $70/person to have a private instructor rather than doing the group session, and it worked out better for our schedules to do a private day, so I'll be getting my first supermoto and DRZ experience in December. I still have a gift certificate for a group session, but at least this way I can do the group session with some prior dirt experience.

It looks like the track is setup such that you have to be able to carry speed in corners on dirt to have enough speed to get substantial air from the jumps, but I'm hoping that by the end of the day I'll be doing it. No idea if that's too much to expect from my first time on dirt, but I can't imagine there's an easier way to improve than this.

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002
Not entirely motorcycle related, but:

When I winterize the bikes, I do most of the same stuff for anything I own with a small engine. This afternoon I went out to the shed to pull the battery out of my lawnmower and put it on a trickle charger, and noticed the mower smelled like a loving barn. Not like cut grass or hay, but the piss and poo poo that are the result of eating said hay. A loving mouse has taken up residence under the engine cover again.

Last time this happened the little fucks chewed threw the wires to both spark coils and stuffed every goddamned cooling fin full of grass, chewed fabric, and whatever else they could cram in there. The flywheel is covered in rust from them pissing on it. Fine, I'll take care of it in the spring because it's too cold to be loving around in the shed and they'll just rebuild the goddamned nest as soon as I clean it out anyway.

Cursing to myself, I pull the battery and walk back to my house. After I get the battery on the charger and put my tools away, what do I notice in a dark corner of the garage? An empty acorn shell and a pile of mouse turds. I keep my bikes in that garage. No loving way I'm dealing with chewed wiring harnesses, hosed up air filters or exhausts full of seeds. Guess it's time to stock up on poison bait.

pokie
Apr 27, 2008

IT HAPPENED!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

So possibly in response to me making a joke about how BMW owners have to take off their rear wheel to replace the headlight, the light on the Monster blew last night. Owners manual advice? "Have lights replaced by an approved Ducati dealer". Service manual procedure for doing so? Step one: "Remove instrument cluster". Fucks sake.

Luckily a quick bit of Youtube searching showed all you actually have to do is loosen two bolts and pull one connector to get enough clearance at the back of the housing to replace the bulb, which although conceptually is still loving horrible is considerably easier than quite a few bikes that have supposedly "convenient" ways to replace the bulbs (I'm looking at you Aprilia with your "just undo these two bolts and swing the light down oh wait the triple is in the way and if you don't have the fingers of a rock-climbing neurosurgeon you'll still never be able to actually get the retainer off the back of the bulb, let alone back on")

I recently replaced my S1000XR headlight. The loving repair manual conveniently informed me how to take all the fairings off and get the whole headlight assembly out. No mention on how to open it up and change the bulb. Cool. Youtube showed a simple procedure requiring removal of just two bolts a twisting a cover off. However I took the whole assembly out before I saw that, so...

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002

pokie posted:

The loving repair manual conveniently informed me how to take all the fairings off and get the whole headlight assembly out.

Sounds like the all-too-familiar "service position" for German cars has made it to the bikes, too. My GS has the LED headlight, so I shouldn't ever have to replace a bulb. If it goes bad, a new module goes for a cool $1200 so it'll be getting a frankenlight built out of something from Baja Designs

Beach Bum
Jan 13, 2010

Jazzzzz posted:

Not entirely motorcycle related, but:

When I winterize the bikes, I do most of the same stuff for anything I own with a small engine. This afternoon I went out to the shed to pull the battery out of my lawnmower and put it on a trickle charger, and noticed the mower smelled like a loving barn. Not like cut grass or hay, but the piss and poo poo that are the result of eating said hay. A loving mouse has taken up residence under the engine cover again.

Last time this happened the little fucks chewed threw the wires to both spark coils and stuffed every goddamned cooling fin full of grass, chewed fabric, and whatever else they could cram in there. The flywheel is covered in rust from them pissing on it. Fine, I'll take care of it in the spring because it's too cold to be loving around in the shed and they'll just rebuild the goddamned nest as soon as I clean it out anyway.

Cursing to myself, I pull the battery and walk back to my house. After I get the battery on the charger and put my tools away, what do I notice in a dark corner of the garage? An empty acorn shell and a pile of mouse turds. I keep my bikes in that garage. No loving way I'm dealing with chewed wiring harnesses, hosed up air filters or exhausts full of seeds. Guess it's time to stock up on poison bait.

Careful with poison, anything that eats the mouse can get a dose, if you care about that sort of thing. Cats, raptors, etc.

right arm
Oct 30, 2011

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MomJeans420
Mar 19, 2007



The winter sun is kind of a pain in the rear end, even riding at noon the sun was in my eyes. Riding at 8am illustrated that my tinted visor that seemed cleaned enough was not actually that clean. At least I'm able to ride in the winter though.

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