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Sanguinia posted:"Rightmost compromise candidate." loving lol. Our very own flavor of "Chud who endlessly whines about what enormous liberals Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz are," except the chud will actually vote. Its a largely accurate view of reality. Consider, even the UN admits in the next 20 years we will either have to undergo the greatest and swiftest changes to society in human history, with a scale previously unknown to the species, or we will suffer in a world literally unrecognizable to us today and in doing so sacrifice a century of human progress against suffering. That's not hyperbole, that's the conservative estimate of the world's scientific community. Either we, together as a globe, transform or billions will die rather than "just" hundreds of millions we've already damned. We, as a society must completely transform if we wish to survive. And that's just climate change. On healthcare, the courts, immigration, and a litany of other issues we likewise are facing choices between radical change or collapse. Sanders is in that lens, the bare minimum of radicalism for the problems we face. We've run out of time for incrementalism, like it or not.
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Trabisnikof posted:Its a largely accurate view of reality. Then I hope you enjoy handing permanent power to the Republican party. Nancy Pelosi already said that the radical change is the ambition of the entire dem party. But you will continue to ignore that and just say only Befnie will do that, even though he is probably one of the least capable to be able to do it. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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Fulchrum posted:Then I hope you enjoy handing permanent power to the Republican party. Nobody believes her.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Nobody believes her. And here it is, you still haven't gotten over her telling you a truth you dont like, so you will just scream shes a liar forever.
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The Democrats have a demonstrated platform of saying climate change is real and doing nothing substantial about it.
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Nov 12, 2018 10:18
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Democrats have a demonstrated platform of saying climate change is real and doing nothing substantial about it. Whereas only Bernie Sanders has the proven experience to rename all the post offices he needs to to fix the problem. And I remember how the Dems refused to support the Paris climate agreement. Or are you just going to move the goalposts to say that anything the dems do isn't substantial.
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Fulchrum posted:Whereas only Bernie Sanders has the proven experience to rename all the post offices he needs to to fix the problem. So what have they, in fact, done that's substantial in the last two years? As far as the Paris agreement goes, you're aware that we're currently on the line to back out of it the day after Election Day 2020, correct?
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Chilichimp posted:Pence is also a loving moron, so I doubt the'd get away with much more... at least the gaslighting would stop. He doesn't need to get away with more. All he needs to do is sign more executive orders loving over LGBT people and denying them care through it and the trans suicide rate alone will probably shoot up from the current 40% to over 50%. Dude is a monster that's been working hand in hand with a whole bunch of far right "christian" think thanks and groups dedicated to basically purging the country of anyone not like themselves for years. Stop saying he'd be better because he absolutely wouldn't. Heck, it may be why he was picked. Since it doesn't take a genius to realize that if Trump gets ousted that he'd be next up for power. And relying on Mueller to take him down too is dangerous for a whole lot of people.
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Liquid Communism posted:So what have they, in fact, done that's substantial in the last two years? So your question is what have they done, in the time they have been unable to do anything. Fine. What concrete laws has Bernie Sanders been able to pass in the last two years that have protected the environment and fought global warming? Your bar for "is this person serious about global warming" is the ability to do something about it despite having no power. So how does Bernie not fail that hard? Or does he get a pass because he won't tell you a truth you don't like?
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Fulchrum posted:Then I hope you enjoy handing permanent power to the Republican party. Funfact: it is actually the centrist wing of the Democratic Party who has done this.
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Sanguinia posted:AZ is at the point of virtually being in the bag. FL started it's recount today. Two big Dem areas are already saying they won't be able to finish the machine recount in time, especially not for all three contested races, and the Sec of State said gently caress you, we go with whatever number you have at the deadline. So that's a bomb waiting to go off. Also I think I saw something that said the State GOP wants the State Police involved in the recount because of course.
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Liquid Communism posted:So what have they, in fact, done that's substantial in the last two years? They were a minority in both House and Senate which at best gives then the chance to play spoiler for already contentious legislation and force the use of reconciliation bills for major Republican initiatives. The Dems suck at climate change but it is really, really weird to single out the last 2 years for this. Also Trump has exercised major expansion of Presidential power in regards to deals/treaties, which generally require court battles to resolve.
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https://twitter.com/LA_SocialistRA/status/1061663031904501760quote:I understand that your house is on fire and hope that you and your family are safe! I really care and hope everything is good! But yes please we are going to be open tomorrow so please come in to work!
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https://twitter.com/EmilyForCO/status/1061457722325909504 bernie fighting the good fight as always!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Democrats have a demonstrated platform of saying climate change is real and doing nothing substantial about it. Come now. They will support new clean energy initiatives owned by their donors, funneling billions of government dollars to projects that, golly gee, inexplicably fail as soon as the government check clears.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Come now. They will support new clean energy initiatives owned by their donors, funneling billions of government dollars to projects that, golly gee, inexplicably fail as soon as the government check clears. I see the leftist value of mindlessly repeating Republican BS in order to attack Democrats is alive and well. Really making it clear that it was always true that leftists hate liberals more than they hate fascists. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Fulchrum posted:I see the leftist mantra of mindlessly repeating Republican BS in order to attack Democrats is alive and well. Really making it clear that it was always true that leftists hate liberals more than fascists. What planet do you live on?
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Heres some good high tech climate change technology: Mass planting of trees everywhere.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:What planet do you live on? The one that leftists dont care about saving so long as they get to attack liberals.
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Rakosi posted:Heres some good high tech climate change technology: Mass planting of trees everywhere. someone mentioned planting, cutting, and doing something with the remains of the trees (reducing them to charcoal?) in a repeating loop as carbon capture
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Corky Romanovsky posted:What planet do you live on? The one where we all die to dramatically worse-than-publicized climate change because people can't agree on real, practical solutions that may not be ideologically pure enough, apparently.
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So yeah, I am going to get harsher on simply trolling and belittling your "opposition." It is boring, stupid, and honestly isn't actually useful.Condiv posted:someone mentioned planting, cutting, and doing something with the remains of the trees (reducing them to charcoal?) in a repeating loop as carbon capture The issue with biomass energy obviously is it produces a ton of local air pollution, and also incentives going after old growth forests. I don't know about burying the charcoal but I could obviously see that also being an issue (producing charcoal also releases co2 among other environmental effects of doing that on a mass scale.) (Also, logging produces far fewer jobs than one would think, only a couple thousand in Oregon for example.) Ardennes fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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I really liked the Trump thread. It was one of the few threads that I read on this forum religiously. I'm outside the US and have no interest in the broader american political system, but I have a lot of interest in how Trump is loving things up in general for the rest of the world. I'm also a big enough boy to take the Trump thread with a grain of salt rather than having that provided to me by endless non Trump posts as some kind of forced palate cleanser. I don't really understand the purpose of the change but it's not suiting me if that matters.
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drivel posted:I really liked the Trump thread. It was one of the few threads that I read on this forum religiously. I'm outside the US and have no interest in the broader american political system, but I have a lot of interest in how Trump is loving things up in general for the rest of the world. I think these type of posts are starting to reach the end of their expiration date, but yeah Trump isn't a man that exists in isolation and either is the US political system. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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Drone posted:The one where we all die to dramatically worse-than-publicized climate change because people can't agree on real, practical solutions that may not be ideologically pure enough, apparently. it's not that they're not ideologically pure enough, it's that they're not actually practically addressing the issues we need much more than the paris climate agreements at this point
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Condiv posted:someone mentioned planting, cutting, and doing something with the remains of the trees (reducing them to charcoal?) in a repeating loop as carbon capture Hell yeah, grow trees everywhere, turn them into charcoal, and dump the charcoal into a subduction zone. That's the best carbon capture plan. I mean, we could also use nuclear power to desalinate the ocean, irrigate the Australian Outback, and plant Eucalyptus trees on every square inch of it, which would also capture a lot of carbon, but it doesn't involve dumping tons of carbon into the Marianas Trench, so it's less cool.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:Hell yeah, grow trees everywhere, turn them into charcoal, and dump the charcoal into a subduction zone. That's the best carbon capture plan. Doubly qualifies as a new WPA. Which means Deak won't like it, but Deak is poo poo.
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There are a couple of places that person could work where that would be reasonable (eg elder care, health care worker, less-so but arguably almost as important, someone involved in the cleanup effort). That said obviously, dollars to dimes that's a 'we need you at gamestop' message or something.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There are a couple of places that person could work where that would be reasonable (eg elder care, health care worker, less-so but arguably almost as important, someone involved in the cleanup effort). That said obviously, dollars to dimes that's a 'we need you at gamestop' message or something. Even if it was an essential service, that's so loving tone deaf they deserve the sentiment anyway.
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drivel posted:I really liked the Trump thread. It was one of the few threads that I read on this forum religiously. I'm outside the US and have no interest in the broader american political system, but I have a lot of interest in how Trump is loving things up in general for the rest of the world. Give the USNEWS thread a go, it's in its infancy but should be an oasis away from incessant demsbad. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3874117
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StealthArcher posted:Even if it was an essential service, that's so loving tone deaf they deserve the sentiment anyway. Oh yeah undeniably
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There are a couple of places that person could work where that would be reasonable (eg elder care, health care worker, less-so but arguably almost as important, someone involved in the cleanup effort). That said obviously, dollars to dimes that's a 'we need you at gamestop' message or something.
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Liquid Communism posted:So what have they, in fact, done that's substantial in the last two years? This is a bad standard, and it is blind to Sanders' soft work in Vermont where he has indeed influenced energy consciousness.
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"What significant policies for green revolution have they passed?" in a political empire that by default funnels public wealth to fossil fuel corps and ancillary interests is extremely galaxy brained.
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Planting trees everywhere would help in the long term, but doesn't it takes years to even make a dent? I mean, trees need some time to actually grow. It's probably easier and more practical to cut our carbon emissions by replacing all coal/natural gas plants with nuclear power plants. I just hate how everyone immediately go to "WHAT ABOUT FUKUSHIMA??" as if that's the perfect counter.
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Luckyellow posted:Planting trees everywhere would help in the long term, but doesn't it takes years to even make a dent? I mean, trees need some time to actually grow. Nuclear energy is a great transitional power source we should all be using to meet climate change obligations, but planting trees is huge part of restoring not just the planets carbon capture capacity but trees host way more ecosystems and animal and insect life than grasslands do. We gotta worry about more than just carbon right now.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:There are a couple of places that person could work where that would be reasonable (eg elder care, health care worker, less-so but arguably almost as important, someone involved in the cleanup effort). That said obviously, dollars to dimes that's a 'we need you at gamestop' message or something. Yeah no I've gotten those kinds of messages from a manager. I got solid money on it being some minimum wage bullshit, because those sorts of jobs would have a policy in place for "what do we do when everything is exploding and someone can't come in because their house is on fire in a state of emergency"
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I believe it was 3 trees planted a week, by everyone alive, forever, to offset our carbon output. Think about it: the tree has to weigh as much as the carbon sequestered in it. How many trees are in a gigaton? At any rate, we'd need to devote almost everything to producing biomass. There's only 50 gt of living things on the planet.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Frankly I'm not left enough that I'd be willing to vote for myself Replace the election with these old rich motherfuckers doing Battle Royale and the last one left gets spared the guillotine and made god-king* *for an hour, then they meet Uncle Slicey
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