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Mu Zeta posted:Never put actual answers into those. Use a password generator to treat it like another password. That stuff is how all those celebrity nudes leaked. On a related subject, not a peeve exactly but it will never not be hilarious how willing people are to put exactly this information out in public if you dress it up as some sort of game. "Post your cyberpunk porn star name: It's your mother's maiden name and the street you grew up on and the last four digits of your social security number." Also, if I ever go to the dark side, it's going to start with hosting one of those "how secure is your password" sites.
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who the gently caress decided that chip readers need to do that awful shriek of the damned if you leave it in there one (1) second too long
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FluxFaun posted:who the gently caress decided that chip readers need to do that awful shriek of the damned if you leave it in there one (1) second too long I don’t know if it’s just me misremembering but I swear US chip readers’ “approved” beep is the same as canadian chip readers’ “denied” beep and it still makes me sweat.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I don’t know if it’s just me misremembering but I swear US chip readers’ “approved” beep is the same as canadian chip readers’ “denied” beep and it still makes me sweat. depends on the store, tbh. most of them use a nice, high pitched scream/beep for "approved" and a low pitched honk/beep for "denied"
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Nov 11, 2018 22:59
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Also, star trek peeve: replicators. Specifically the whole “it can never be as good as the real thing” talking point. That’s really lacking for a utopian space magic society. I can order a “hamburger” and it instantly appears. Or a cassoulet, my favourite food. Or that sardinian maggot cheese, maggots and all. So why the gently caress can I not order a mcdouble or a giant or whatever specific hamburger I want? Why would humans reach that level of tech and then shrug and stop developing at “generic hamburger” level?
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Thingiverse runs the replicator directory. That's my headcacon for why it's lovely.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Also, star trek peeve: replicators. It's one of those simulacra/simulation things. The replicator is making a copy of a copy of a copy where the real thing doesn't even exist anymore. A significant portion of the people just don't know or care what the original was
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Also, star trek peeve: replicators. It actually wouldn't produce the maggots. Food is actually really complex and that's something that is touched on occasionally through the series. Like you can in fact give it instructions to reproduce a particular recipe but it's still just a stupid machine making copies of something. Replicators had some pretty specific limitations and it couldn't produce anything that was actually alive. There was actually an episode about saving Worf with an experimental, ethically questionable, and downright dangerous procedure where they replicated his spine. TNG played with that sort of thing a lot and that's part of what made Data a great character; the same questions that kept being asked about replicators. I think DS9 also had a few episodes where the replicators couldn't replicate some Bajoran foods at all. Nog ate at Sisko's dad's restaurant when he was on Earth a lot as that was literally the only place to get those worms Ferengie are fond of. They can't be replicated because you eat them alive.
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I don't like star trek but i'll join in the replicator peeve anyway, with the version from the superior show, stargate sg-1/atlantis. When they were first introduced it was kind of cool, but once they did the human form ones it got stupid. Whenever they needed a big bad or a magical solution (i'm looking at you, atlantis, with that ZPM situation), they just bust out the replicators again. Even the Ori were a little more interesting than the replicators.
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how is the replicator any different to the transporter? I need a new unbroken spine, make a copy of a good one from an old transporter record.
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starkebn posted:how is the replicator any different to the transporter? I need a new unbroken spine, make a copy of a good one from an old transporter record. For starters, star trek peeve 2: transporters kill you and I cannot understand people who are all “how is a copy different from me?” Uhhh, because you got disintegrated? If you needed to make an overseas flight, would you be fine with being shot in the head so that a clone stored overseas could fulfill your obligations without any downsides of long distance travel? An exact copy of you is not you. At least not from your own perspective, which should matter if you care about self-preservation at all.
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Nov 12, 2018 01:14
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starkebn posted:how is the replicator any different to the transporter? I need a new unbroken spine, make a copy of a good one from an old transporter record. The replicator is less precise and just creates stuff in one spot. Jury rigging a replicator into a cheap-and-nasty transporter does happen though.
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starkebn posted:how is the replicator any different to the transporter? I need a new unbroken spine, make a copy of a good one from an old transporter record. I forget all of the  but transporters were far more complex. They didn't actually permanently store anything; they scanned you, broke you down, then sent you away. There weren't like templates or anything of that nature. There were similarities but there was a reason transporters were an entire room that the ship only had one of but everybody got a replicator.There were actually a few episodes where they played with the idea that being transported killed you; they came up with stuff like consciousness streams but didn't explain what they were. In one episode they got Picard's body back but not his mind so it was just a husk. They had to go find his mind and beam it in or something. I watched that episode when I was a kid and don't remember it well. Of course that goobers up Thomas Riker, you know, existing in the first place. But really, it's a TV show. Transporters and replicators do whatever the plot needs them to do. Or, sometimes, not do.
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Nov 12, 2018 01:45
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:For starters, star trek peeve 2: transporters kill you and I cannot understand people who are all “how is a copy different from me?” Fully agree, but my point was in regards to the fiction
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Nov 12, 2018 02:28
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:For starters, star trek peeve 2: transporters kill you and I cannot understand people who are all “how is a copy different from me?” For an intelligent and entertaining philosophical discussion of this subject, I recommend playing Soma from Frictional Games.
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Nov 12, 2018 02:37
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:For starters, star trek peeve 2: transporters kill you and I cannot understand people who are all “how is a copy different from me?” Strong disagree. If transporters can reproduce you perfectly, right on down to the quantum states of all your particles, then they reproduce you. That's what "you" is. You're not a pile of particular carbon and oxygen and hydrogen and whatever atoms, you're a pattern of atoms. Death is not destruction of a particular pile of atoms. Death is the scrambling of a pattern. If the pattern is preserved, then you don't die, because you are ("you" is) the pattern. If the transporter can do that without destroying your old body, like what happens to Riker in that one episode, then it has created two "you"s, each one with true claim of being the "you" from before the transport (who will afterwards diverge and become different, of course). Fortunately(?), this isn't possible in real life - you can't reproduce a quantum state accurately without destroying it. It's called the "no cloning theorem."
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Replicators had some pretty specific limitations starkebn posted:how is the replicator any different to the transporter? I need a new unbroken spine, make a copy of a good one from an old transporter record. Edgar Allen Ho posted:transporters kill you and I cannot understand people who are all “how is a copy different from me?”
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Tiggum posted:Replicators, transporters and holodecks are essentially magic and the only rules they have are whatever the episode requires of them. The transporters can de-age people. The holodeck can create thinking, self-aware beings, but for some reason they can't leave the holodeck, even though the transporter technology can also create copies of living people. I think the issue is that there's no difference for other people, but without continuity of consciousness, "you" just went to sleep and never woke up. The only way it WOULD work is if there was some sort of soul that jumped the gap. since I don't think there is a soul, I sure a gently caress wouldn't volunteer. I mean, technically I have no way of knowing if I'm the same person who went to sleep yesterday, or a copy created in some matrix-like future who woke up with a lifetime of memories, but it's only functionally the same for the COPY. If you were the first person to try the new teleporter and it just copied you like Riker instead, would you just happily incinerate yourself because, oh, I already exist over there?
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Actually, that would be a neat idea for a short scifi horror story... Protagonist convincing a friend to teleport, (hey I've done it plenty of times,you just blink right over) and the end there's a few second delay in the reassemble/destroy sequence, they see "themselves" appear on the other side through a viewscreen, and start to feel their body being ripped apart, and realize "they" won't be waking up at their destination...kind of a "the jaunt" by Steven King vibe.
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littlebluellama posted:continuity of consciousness
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Tiggum posted:See, there's your issue. There's no such thing. You've just used a more "sciencey" sounding word for a soul. No, I think you just misunderstood them. What's meant by it is that your specific consciousness just stops, sure there's a perfect, identical, copy over there that starts there, but that's someone else. It's like if your pc broke, and you copied over the harddrives to a new pc. It'll keep running along as if nothing had happened, but it wouldn't change the fact that the original pc no longer works.
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I would use transporters all the time if they were available
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littlebluellama posted:Actually, that would be a neat idea for a short scifi horror story... Protagonist convincing a friend to teleport, (hey I've done it plenty of times,you just blink right over) and the end there's a few second delay in the reassemble/destroy sequence, they see "themselves" appear on the other side through a viewscreen, and start to feel their body being ripped apart, and realize "they" won't be waking up at their destination...kind of a "the jaunt" by Steven King vibe. There was a pretty good 90s/00s Outer Limits episode that had teleportation that explicitly worked this way (killed the original but created a copy with their memories) that was about what happens when the original, due to a malfunction, doesn't die.
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SubNat posted:No, I think you just misunderstood them. What's meant by it is that your specific consciousness just stops, sure there's a perfect, identical, copy over there that starts there, but that's someone else. But if we're not talking about souls, consciousness is a process. If you have two identical clones (created by magic or future science or whatever) then they have the same consciousness - until any time at all passes and they each change in different ways. And that also means that the consciousness that is you right now is not the same consciousness that was you a minute ago. The idea that there is one continuous "you" is a convenient fiction. The fictional you existed in the past and will continue to exist in the future, but reality doesn't work that way. Think about this: If, by some unknown method, every particle of your body suddenly flew apart and then back together again in the same configuration, and somehow all the ongoing processes, the electrical signals and whatever else, they all got set back in motion exactly as before - are you still you? And if you are, would it matter if the atoms of your body were substituted for identical atoms? Carbon for carbon, hydrogen for hydrogen, etc. One atom is indistinguishable from another, after all. If that's still you, what about if there was a delay between disassembly and reassembly? Or what about the reverse - what if you were reassembled before you were disassembled? The end result is the same, surely?
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I'm pretty sure that the reason Star Trek uses Transporters it was cheaper than to have to build a shuttle and have it moved between the shuttle bay stage and the planet of the Styrofoam rocks stage as the plot requires.
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Iron Crowned posted:I'm pretty sure that the reason Star Trek uses Transporters it was cheaper than to have to build a shuttle and have it moved between the shuttle bay stage and the planet of the Styrofoam rocks stage as the plot requires. Here’s a peeve: modern screens making old media look even worse. I watched LotR in blu ray not that long ago and some of the previously-ok-looking sets look like Star Trek TOS. It’s really obvious when they switch from kiwi landscapes to studio locations.
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docbeard posted:There was a pretty good 90s/00s Outer Limits episode that had teleportation that explicitly worked this way (killed the original but created a copy with their memories) that was about what happens when the original, due to a malfunction, doesn't die. Oh man, that was a pretty good episode. I especially like that the alien species that apparently provided humanity with the technology (Hanen?) look like raptors or something.
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Tiggum posted:
Um, No? It may be a "convenient fiction" that my consciousness is the same consciousness as a few minutes ago, but I have the perception of continuous memory. The end result is the same for what? for people needing to access the information stored in my brain it may be the same. For me personally the original it is not the same. If, as you say, you were reassembled before you were disassembled, the fact that you were still aware of being in the old location would indicate that the new person wasn't you. As I said in my previous post, if you were the leftover copy in the old location, would you happily just be like, "please dispose of me, I am already over there so it is fine. Bye." wait, is Tiggum the guy that doesn't understand why you would interact with your family, or is that someone else?
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If you take my body apart, you've killed me. If you then recreate an exact copy of me, that exact copy will feel as if it never died, but that doesn't really matter to me much. My line of consciousness stopped, and then another separate(albeit identical) line of consciousness started somewhere else and possibly at another time.
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gently caress this dumb philosophy, teleporting would be cool as hell
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Or was that mr. Bibbs, the hot dog choking guy? Pet peeve: I don't remember why I should know this guy.
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Tiggum hates sunsets and vacations
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Screw all the replicators and teleporting and space travel the only space tech I want is the space drugs. They invented synthetic alcohol that doesn't do bad things and you just know people didn't stop at just alcohol.
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Andrast posted:gently caress this dumb philosophy, teleporting would be cool as hell I think the new copy would have the perception of continuous awareness, but I would just stop as if I had been hit by a bus. I'm going to stop though, I don't need to say the same thing over and over.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Screw all the replicators and teleporting and space travel the only space tech I want is the space drugs. They invented synthetic alcohol that doesn't do bad things and you just know people didn't stop at just alcohol. I want those little electrodes where you wave it over the person and it fixes their broken leg and lung cancer. Maybe those are just little replicators too? Ooh. Wait, DS9 did take a stand and say that replacing someone's brain ship-of-theseus style doesn't allow them to stay the same person (or maybe that's just Dr. Bashir's opinion?)
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No, replicators can't make anything alive. Star trek bullshitted that away as well by saying everybody has some soul thing. In theory they could replicate a brain but not just copy a person because that would be expensive to film.
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Coworkers who demand you help them with their tasks. I have my own poo poo to do and just because I am not talking to a customer that very second doesn't mean I am just scratching my balls. Stick to your own lane, please!
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meanwhile those people who suck at their job are the ones who get promoted for "taking the initiative" to "delegate" work to others.
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When you're waiting on an important phone call and they said they'd call you today and you just sit and twiddle your thumbs all day because you can't afford to go anywhere noisy in case you miss the call and then they don't fuckin call
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Thing is I do have discussions with most of my coworkers, but it goes like "Do you have time for X" or "Do you have loads to do, if so I can stick around a bit longer today" etc. But this one person really drives me up the wall with how rude and demanding they are. This person has a very eccentric personality, so I know they are not being rude on purpose, but it is still tiring.
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