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Glass of Milk posted:Just nationalize the CA power companies already.
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it's honestly kinda hosed up that private utilities even exist in the first place
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Nov 11, 2018 09:16
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Kuvo posted:it's honestly kinda hosed up that private utilities even exist in the first place  for profit utilities are bullshit and bring out the worst in people watch enron the smartest guys in the room to hear enron employees yelling "Burn baby burn let turn off some powerplantd while theres a fire blazing". God awful.
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Nov 11, 2018 09:29
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“In the final analysis, it doesn't matter what you crazy people in California do, because I got smart guys out there who can always figure out how to make money”
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Nov 11, 2018 09:45
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So Young Kim might lose thanks to absentee ballots. And quite likely. That’s good.
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Kuvo posted:it's honestly kinda hosed up that private utilities even exist in the first place Agreed.
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Nov 11, 2018 16:39
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Maybe power will get classified as a luxury like internet has been?
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Nov 11, 2018 18:07
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https://twitter.com/dansinker/status/1061667430752235520
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Nov 11, 2018 18:23
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https://twitter.com/AP/status/1061444946878717953 And I wouldn't be surprised if that number goes up soon.
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Nov 11, 2018 20:30
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Nice knowing you Malibu
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Nov 11, 2018 23:04
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Really not the best week for Thousand Oaks I threw some money at the North Valley Community Foundation for the folks up north.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:03
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:Really not the best week for Thousand Oaks Seriously. My family had to evacuate, a friends house burned down, and I’m out of the country watching all this bullshit from afar.
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Nov 12, 2018 00:20
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It looks like Tony Thurmond currently has a slight lead over noted corporate charter school shill Marshall Tuck. I hope Thurmond is able to edge out a victory.
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Nov 12, 2018 05:22
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Bodhidharma posted:It looks like Tony Thurmond currently has a slight lead over noted corporate charter school shill Marshall Tuck. I hope Thurmond is able to edge out a victory. Watching a bunch of lovely candidates slowly lose as the ballots roll in has been the ray of sunshine in a very bad weekend for California.
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Nov 12, 2018 05:40
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Watching a bunch of lovely candidates slowly lose as the ballots roll in has been the ray of sunshine in a very bad weekend for California. It surely has been.
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Nov 12, 2018 05:44
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Bodhidharma posted:It looks like Tony Thurmond currently has a slight lead over noted corporate charter school shill Marshall Tuck. I hope Thurmond is able to edge out a victory. You must have capped that when they were updating the info because Tuck jumped back up while Thurmond's numbers stayed the same 
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Nov 12, 2018 05:47
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vaginadeathgrip posted:Seriously. My family had to evacuate, a friends house burned down, and I’m out of the country watching all this bullshit from afar. Hugs to you. I hope your friend is okay.
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Nov 12, 2018 08:02
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Heard on the radio about how one kid survived the Las Vegas shooting only to die last week in the Thousand Oaks shooting.
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Nov 12, 2018 08:13
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Does anyone have a good map for the House seats in CA? I'm curious how many we've flipped just in this state.
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Nov 12, 2018 11:44
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Skippy McPants posted:Does anyone have a good map for the House seats in CA? I'm curious how many we've flipped just in this state. https://www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/california-house-races-results-2018/
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Nov 12, 2018 14:14
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The new claim I'm hearing is that these big fires are caused by the state not allowing private companies to clear out dead trees. In curious how true this really is.
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Panfilo posted:The new claim I'm hearing is that these big fires are caused by the state not allowing private companies to clear out dead trees. In curious how true this really is. I mean, if there's no trees left to burn then there's no more forest fires.
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Nov 12, 2018 17:17
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does "the state is not allowing private companies to clear out dead trees" mean "private company pg&e is failing to carry out legally required maintenance of clearing out brush and dead trees near its lines"
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Panfilo posted:The new claim I'm hearing is that these big fires are caused by the state not allowing private companies to clear out dead trees. In curious how true this really is. That's conservative code for "allow clear-cutting" and it's not really true. The problem is climate change. Also huge swathes of land in California are federally managed, soooo
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Panfilo posted:The new claim I'm hearing is that these big fires are caused by the state not allowing private companies to clear out dead trees. In curious how true this really is. Of course it isn't.
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Shear Modulus posted:does "the state is not allowing private companies to clear out dead trees" mean "private company pg&e is failing to carry out legally required maintenance of clearing out brush and dead trees near its lines" Probably.
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Nov 12, 2018 18:03
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FCKGW posted:I mean, if there's no trees left to burn then there's no more forest fires.
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Nov 12, 2018 18:15
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Tarezax posted:Heard on the radio about how one kid survived the Las Vegas shooting only to die last week in the Thousand Oaks shooting. A dad of the victim was on tv during a press conference and broke down and said "I love my son so much" well sorry buddy we need to let 4% of the population cosplay as militia patriots so he has to die
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Nov 12, 2018 18:23
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I saw a short-form documentary last year that I can no longer remember the name of that put forward the case that decades of aggressively knocking down small wildfires have left so much fuel in the forests that this new breed of wildfire is much more intense. The heat is so high now that everything dies and doesn't come back, even the plants that evolved to deal with regular fires. Obviously, global warming has contributed to this happening in loving November, but I would not be surprised if the interruption of the established fire cycle has indeed played a part.
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Nov 12, 2018 18:27
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Flayer posted:Aren't most of these fires consuming low lying vegetation than anything else? Trees aren't the problem as far as I've read - a lack of trees can actually exacerbate the problem as bushes and shrubs can go grow back very quickly allowing the fires to rage every year. More important is that fires don't start when some stray sparks leap into trees, but they do start when the sparks catch on dry brush and grass, and then the trees only catch on fire when the flame lasts long enough to evaporate all the residual moisture in the tree. That's why when you build a fire you use sticks and dead grass as a firestarter instead of just trying to set the logs on fire with a match. Again, the Camp fire started when a fallen power line caught uncleared brush on fire.
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CPColin posted:I saw a short-form documentary last year that I can no longer remember the name of that put forward the case that decades of aggressively knocking down small wildfires have left so much fuel in the forests that this new breed of wildfire is much more intense. The heat is so high now that everything dies and doesn't come back, even the plants that evolved to deal with regular fires. That's not exactly a hot take, that's why we they do controlled burns
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Nov 12, 2018 18:32
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Pg&e leaves powerlines littered with trees my house burned down, now i worry about my apartment burning down becausw the entire street has likr 10 or 15 trees with powerlines wrapped through them. We need to send the state police into pg&e hq
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Nov 12, 2018 19:12
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I have a couple gigantic trees in my backyard (which as an aside I really want to get rid of for a variety of reasons, but my landlord gave a firm no so  ) that grow right on top of the power lines. Once or twice a year PG&E drops a leaflet on my door asking me to unlock my gate so they can trim around the lines, and every time instead of actually trimming the tree back, they just cut all the greenery within a foot of the line. Sure enough, within a couple weeks everything they've cut has grown back.PG&E just came out to do their trimming a month ago, and look at this poo poo:  
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Nov 12, 2018 20:14
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Maybe insurance worries? At a construction job I was at there was a tree was supposed to be removed. The tree removal subcontractor pulled out of the job because they didn't know a fiber optic line was going through the branches. They would have had to get a massive insurance policy in case they cut that line and they were like gently caress that. So it was a hassle to find a subcontractor to do it.
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Nov 12, 2018 20:29
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They just cut the trees near our lines to basically stumps and called it a day. 
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Nov 12, 2018 20:38
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Sydin posted:PG&E just came out to do their trimming a month ago, and look at this poo poo:
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Nov 12, 2018 20:40
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hilariously in my area pg&e has been trying to do trimming but the local yuppies complained about them ruining the view and got it shut down
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The Southern California fires are in chaparral covered areas that have routinely burned for hundreds of years and will continue to do so regardless of what we do there. The Camp fire's blistering charge from the Feather River, where it started, to the town of Paradise went through an area which had already completely burned in 2008 from the Butte Lightning Complex. So naturally everything Trump said is dead wrong. We're never going to be able to eliminate the fuel load once these fires get going, and while there's probably some merit to clearing underbrush and creating defensible space around power lines (and municipalizing PG&E asap), we mainly need to reexamine how we think about building in the wildland-urban interface. It's a fine line here between victim blaming and acknowledging that maybe these areas weren't great places to build in the first place. And if we decide it's actually a bad idea to build in these places, how do we actually disincentive it via policy? These are hard questions that CA is going to have to grapple with in the coming years.
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Nov 12, 2018 21:08
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Raskolnikov38 posted:hilariously in my area pg&e has been trying to do trimming but the local yuppies complained about them ruining the view and got it shut down A lot of people are now blaming environmentalists trying up logging companies in court and allowing dead trees and underbrush to build up. It's strange, they can admit the ultimate cause is man made but not that global warming had anything to do with it. Good thing we have a couple thousand inmates to help with firefighting.
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