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Peter Daou Bundy posted:AOC for speaker of the house, none of the other vichy dem plutocrats speak for us. Your schtick is getting tiresome.
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do you all remember when obama was going to revoke Fox News' white house press pass? i seem to remember everyone thinking that was a good thing
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mcmagic posted:I can't wait till she primaries Schumer. Someone needs to. 2022, hopefully Trump will be gone, and it would send a BIG message to other dems to listen to their constituencies. In the meanwhile, especially at state/local level elections in blue areas in the primary, vote/donate DSA. Schumer's the perfect candidate for a national level primary ouster, someone who is clearly more conservative than his base, where there would be no chance of an R spoiling the general election. Whoever said before that republicans vote smartly is dead right -- hold your nose in the general but primary HARD ideologically.
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I guess be ready to be disappointed when NY primary voters overwhelmingly pick Schumer. See also: Nixon, Cynthia; Teachout, Zephyr.
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RaySmuckles posted:do you all remember when obama was going to revoke Fox News' white house press pass? It sucks about Fox News because they do have some good guys like Shepherd Smith and stuff over there.
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yronic heroism posted:Would the WH be able to just exclude CNN as a whole from press briefings instead? Now I’m now very curious how this gets handled as a policy matter. Can news agencies be guaranteed a spot? Does Breitbart or High Times or whoever have to be let in to a press conference if they are first in line? (I personally think the answer should be yes, but WH could claim “At the end of the day this is just a meeting and we meet with who we want” though that’s a different question than whether CFR was followed and it’s harder politically to ban an entire network than just one guy.) That's the great thing about the Trump administration, we're finally getting binding precedent on the parts of the government that have up until now merely adhered to the tradition that the people involved aren't giant pissy assholes.
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Ogmius815 posted:I guess be ready to be disappointed when NY primary voters overwhelmingly pick Schumer. See also: Nixon, Cynthia; Teachout, Zephyr. remember: do not hope. do not try. do not attempt to avert the coming catastrophe. under no circumstances should you attempt to make the world a better place, because it might not be decorous
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RaySmuckles posted:do you all remember when obama was going to revoke Fox News' white house press pass? And CNN defended them. But is Fox returning the favor here?
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AOC Primary who was likely the next house speaker (after Pelosi) in 2018, primary Chuck Schumer in 2022, primary the incumbent Democratic president in 2024, primary Kr'Noxtul of Betelgeuse 7 in 2030 for president of space.
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Kimsemus posted:It sucks about Fox News because they do have some good guys like Shepherd Smith and stuff over there. i was going more for demonstrating the hypocrisies of "team politics" ban the news i don't like? hell yeah, of course obama can do that ban the news i like? trump is murdering freedom of the press, we should sue
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RaySmuckles posted:do you all remember when obama was going to revoke Fox News' white house press pass? In a vacuum, it was not and is not a good thing. Considering the reality that Fox has long since abandoned any pretense of factual reporting, this is a false equivalence. VVV 
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RaySmuckles posted:i was going more for demonstrating the hypocrisies of "team politics" The flaw in your premise is that you are pretending that Fox is a news organization rather than a propaganda vehicle.
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AhhYes posted:In a vacuum, it was not and is not a good thing. many people feel the exact same way about cnn 
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RaySmuckles posted:i was going more for demonstrating the hypocrisies of "team politics" This has been the hypocrisy of the argument the difference is Trump is actually doing the thing we *thought* Obama was going to do
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He also got California's Prop 8 against gay marriage overturned, and sits on the board of the Federalist Society. He's basically "briefly tempting" on the libertarian chart: I hadn't seen this Libertarian Chart before and I laughed at loud at 'Atlas' mostly because that's exactly what Fox News seems to still be doing right now on Twitter. They're basically "Going Galt" on not updating their Twitter because that'll show us! That must be why the stock market went down a little bit as well! 
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RaySmuckles posted:many people feel the exact same way about cnn They are objectively and demonstrably incorrect.
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RaySmuckles posted:do you all remember when obama was going to revoke Fox News' white house press pass? It was. Fox is a propaganda outlet and should be treated as such.
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Fox News is objectively bad and should be banned. CNN isnt good but it’s not objectively bad so it shouldn’t be banned.
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Was Obama constantly going on about how journalism is the enemy of the people and needed to be "taken care of"? Was Obama praising dems that physically attacked journalists? Because if not, there is a vast difference between Obama justifiably saying Fox News is in fact politically slanted propaganda out to make him the literal loving devil and Trump banning CNN because his entire politicalmodus operandi is about attacking anything that is and isn't obedient to him.
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RaySmuckles posted:many people feel the exact same way about cnn Sure, but they probably also believe in lizard people and sinister pizza parlors, so their opinions can be safely disregarded.
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RaySmuckles posted:many people feel the exact same way about cnn So you side with the idiots? Are you trying to loving sea lion us?
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RaySmuckles posted:many people feel the exact same way about cnn Those people are wrong. CNN isn't great or anything but to place FOX in their arena is to vastly overestimate their intentions.
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RaySmuckles posted:many people feel the exact same way about cnn But the difference is CNN actually *is* a news organization. Get out of here with that bullshit.
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Fox News is for entertainment purposes only. They do not serve the public good, even before making this important legal distinction.
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Nov 13, 2018 17:41
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RaySmuckles posted:do you all remember when obama was going to revoke Fox News' white house press pass? He wasn't very fond of Helen Thomas asking him about war or Palestine, either.
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Nov 13, 2018 17:41
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What is even happening here? People showed up to demand that she fix climate change immediately?
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RaySmuckles posted:many people feel the exact same way about cnn Get the gently caress out of here with this both-sides bullshit. Fox News is a blatant propaganda machine and is a constant stream of racist, sexist, and anti-LGBT rhetoric. It is designed to poison large swathes of the electorate. To equivocate CNN and Fox News is just dishonest.
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RaySmuckles posted:many people feel the exact same way about cnn 
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Your Taint posted:But the difference is CNN actually *is* a news organization. Get out of here with that bullshit. yeah miss me with that poo poo Watch any pundit show on CNN and it's the exact same poo poo as fox news in inverse. All the major news networks with few exceptions on specific pundits are the same and just fall on a spectrum.
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This resolution of the case seems pretty important to me. We will end up finding out if the White House can hand pick the reporters they want covering them.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062382618870726656 Jesus Christ.
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RaySmuckles posted:do you all remember when obama was going to revoke Fox News' white house press pass? Fox News is not news. Neither is CNN, really, but at least they pretend to be. We can play the false equivalence game all day though.
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Do they know that she's not going to be Speaker until the new Congress convenes in January?
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Kimsemus posted:yeah miss me with that poo poo I think you're falling for the Trump-esque issue of "there have been so many bad things that we've lost the ability to accurately assess how they should be judged" thing. This is just so far from true it's flirting with dangerous.
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so once again, the news that i like is important and truthful, even though i can't exactly bring myself to call it "good" the news i don't like, though, its the devil, a public nuisance, deserving of open oppression don't you see these arguments are flimsy and weak? who decides which news organization is telling the truth? there's not even any obligation for the news to tell the truth, so being more or less truthful is completely irrelevant keep it simpler, either the white house can oust journalists/news outlets or it can't
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Kimsemus posted:yeah miss me with that poo poo Given the context of the situation of "why Trump wants CNN out vs. why Obama wanted Fox out" and it's still a dumb line of thought to capitulate too. CNN may suck but it's hilarious to compare the two situations/entities.
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RaySmuckles posted:so once again, the news that i like is important and truthful, even though i can't exactly bring myself to call it "good" Yes, and the Brownshirts are just a friendly social club. So tell me, should InfoWars and Breitbart be allowed in the Press Pool?
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RaySmuckles posted:so once again, the news that i like is important and truthful, even though i can't exactly bring myself to call it "good" Here's an idea: both stations are trash but one doesn't constantly parrot obvious lies. If you try real hard you can probably figure out which is which
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Kimsemus posted:yeah miss me with that poo poo CNN breaks and reports actual news surrounding the President and other powerful people that is of public interest. So does MSNBC, ABC, CBS, Reuters, the AP, etc. I could go on. FOX, however, when it's a news story that does not portray Trump in a positive light (so, most of them) flat out refuses to cover it. Have you seen the numerous screenshots when a big story breaks from CNN, MSNBC, and Fox? The first two will be covering the story and Fox will have some sort of stupid bullshit fluff piece.
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