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pairofdimes posted:What was it that made the crowbar basically act like a blender on corpses in HL? Crouching into a body while swinging the crowbar in classic HL1 (maybe HL Source also?) made it swing at a hundred times a second for inexplicable reasons, which exploded anything you moused over after a moment of PBBBTHBTHTBHBTBHTHBHT sounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPiwdrxOgY8
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Yeah man. I don't really find the idea of putting all this time and effort into a piece of fiction only for my avatar to get raped and sealed away not having accomplished anything of note while the only other character who had any personality gets shot in the stomach and presumably bleed to death. The first game showed that you can have this interesting, grim as poo poo storyline with an actually exciting climax and resolution AND still have a "Gotcha!" final shot and keep everything very satisfying. FC5's ending was such a pile of poo poo. You know all those crazy people out there and their crazy doomsday and second civil war theories and practicing violence by finding religious justification? It turns out they're completely right oh shiiiii. I'm not buying another Far Cry game after that one.
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Isn't the implication of Far Cry 5's ending that the nuclear apocalypse thing in the final mission didn't actually happen and you hallucinated it? edit: I looked into it and apparently Ubisoft disagrees in an official capacity and the ending is supposedly literal, but the good news is that nobody gives a poo poo what Ubisoft thinks CJacobs fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Nov 13, 2018 10:19
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Plan Z posted:FC5's ending was such a pile of poo poo. You know all those crazy people out there and their crazy doomsday and second civil war theories and practicing violence by finding religious justification? It turns out they're completely right oh shiiiii. I'm not buying another Far Cry game after that one. But isn't that Far Cry's thing? The ending very much fit the series.
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Nov 13, 2018 10:23
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The strangest thing to me is that Ubisoft went back in and implemented an NG+ mode for FC5, like who would ever want to replay that game with an ending like that lol.
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Nov 13, 2018 10:29
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With all the Daggerfall love let's not forget the incredibly ambitious Boiling Point / Xenus series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohut3tk09No
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Nov 13, 2018 11:22
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exquisite tea posted:The strangest thing to me is that Ubisoft went back in and implemented an NG+ mode for FC5, like who would ever want to replay that game with an ending like that lol. I dunno was the gameplay fun? Im sitting over here confused about what the big deal is about that ending
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Nov 13, 2018 12:25
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The gameplay is fun, and the ending is simply their usual "clever" twist.
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Nov 13, 2018 12:35
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I never make it to the ending of Far Cry games. I lose steam about 3/4 of the way through so I never see these divisive endings
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Nov 13, 2018 12:43
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Well maybe this is just me but typically it's fun to play a game when you're working toward some kind of narrative payoff, like for example triumphing over adversity, reaching some kind of emotional catharsis, you know, super basic storytelling stuff. Far Cry 5's ending is so lame and unsatisfying that it casts a shadow over the prospect of ever replaying it, especially when it's ensconsed within an inescapably bad narrative. I myself have even thought "hm the shootin' in FC5 was fun maybe I should reinst... oh wait, dat story tho" on several occasions.
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Nov 13, 2018 12:44
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I thought Far Cry 5's ending was funny but I disliked every single character in the game including the mute main protagonist, so "oh and suddenly a nuclear bomb explodes and everyone dies" was the perfect wrap-up to me. Far Cry 4 did it much better.
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Nov 13, 2018 12:58
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Kadorhal posted:Honestly, I felt it was the other way around. To me Extraction Point felt like the bad fan mod, with several setpieces and scares straight-up copied from the original game, a lot of the unique ones having a distinctive feeling of the developers only barely having an idea what the gently caress they were doing, oversights in how the game controlled (infinitely slide-kicking was fun and useful for getting through vents faster. Being unable to pick up remotes or mines after I placed them was not), unbalanced difficulty (the game throws end-game Replica variants at you really early, to say nothing of that heavy motherfucker with the near-instant-kill rocket launcher in the subway), and its reliance on several sequences where you simply hold the line against waves of enemies. Perseus Mandate had the more polished feel - gameplay that played closer to the game's strengths, the annoying oversights fixed while the fun ones are left be, more unique setpieces that don't feel just slapped together in two hours (including an actual Delta Force vs. Replica fight you get to take part in), etc. The only bad fan-mod vibe I get is the existence of this super-secret private army that knows everything and has all the best toys. I still wish they moved on from the Alma stuff after the first game and did something else with the franchise, rather than making FEAR2 a direct continuation (at least the ending was unique) I liked FEAR3 more than 2 because it didn't feel as much of a rehash of the original, and the dumb hud visor just kept me from being immersed so I never found 2 creepy. It makes Half-life 2 more impressive in retrospect because if it just re-visited another big base like the first game it wouldn't of been anywhere near as interesting,
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The United States posted:With all the Daggerfall love let's not forget the incredibly ambitious Boiling Point / Xenus series I loved The Precursors which was basically these devs trying to make Mass Effect. It's so stupid and janky but you can feel the passion in it. It's fun to muck around in for a few hours and then wonder what it would be like in the hands of devs with skill/budget. SolidSnakesBandana posted:I dunno was the gameplay fun? Im sitting over here confused about what the big deal is about that ending Didn't mean to get things off topic in the thread but lemme just say that the problem with FC5 is that yes, the gameplay is indeed fun. Unfortunately, the story is a constant interruption. I mean that literally, it's forced fed down your throat. Every now and then the player will get captured no matter where they are or what they're doing and are forced to participate in story missions with badly written, drawn out cutscenes and standard FPS gameplay despite all the game mechanics nudging you towards focusing on stealth. FC5 is a complete and utter mess. But anyway! New Ion Maiden music track and screenshot! https://twitter.com/Bombshell_Game/status/1060563116331806720 https://twitter.com/Bombshell_Game/status/1059876566593880065  I adore the demoscene style music. Man that brings me back.
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God, what I wouldn't do for a spiritual sequel to FEAR where you run a paranormal SWAT team that has to deal with supernatural threats to national security as the world falls prey to some eldritch horror-stuff. Basically a horrific mashup of Rainbow 6 and Delta Green (with more roundhouse kicks).
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Nov 13, 2018 13:26
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I hope Ion Maiden will fit on a USB so I can play it at work.
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GUI posted:I thought Far Cry 5's ending was funny but I disliked every single character in the game including the mute main protagonist, so "oh and suddenly a nuclear bomb explodes and everyone dies" was the perfect wrap-up to me. That would be cool except that the game's most obnoxious character doesn't die and even gets his lunacy validated.
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Nov 13, 2018 13:27
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ChickenHeart posted:God, what I wouldn't do for a spiritual sequel to FEAR where you run a paranormal SWAT team that has to deal with supernatural threats to national security as the world falls prey to some eldritch horror-stuff. I never knew I wanted this, but now I do!
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:I loved The Precursors which was basically these devs trying to make Mass Effect. It's so stupid and janky but you can feel the passion in it. It's fun to muck around in for a few hours and then wonder what it would be like in the hands of devs with skill/budget. Oh hell yeah. It's basically trash but it's fascinating and I adore it.
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Plan Z posted:FC5's ending was such a pile of poo poo. You know all those crazy people out there and their crazy doomsday and second civil war theories and practicing violence by finding religious justification? It turns out they're completely right oh shiiiii. I'm not buying another Far Cry game after that one. “It turns out they were right” is actually an awesome ending.
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Nov 13, 2018 14:29
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ChickenHeart posted:God, what I wouldn't do for a spiritual sequel to FEAR where you run a paranormal SWAT team that has to deal with supernatural threats to national security as the world falls prey to some eldritch horror-stuff. Wasnt there some clive barker presents game like that a few years back
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Undying isn’t really that, but it is fun and cool. One of those turn of the century games that often gets lost in memory between retro and modern stuff. e: actually you must be thinking of Jericho. That seems much closer to the mark but I’ve never played it. skasion fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Nov 13, 2018 14:38
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Fallom posted:“It turns out they were right” is actually an awesome ending. It's really not, at least not in the context of Far Cry 5.
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exquisite tea posted:I hope Ion Maiden will fit on a USB so I can play it at work. There are cheap 128gb usb sticks, even 256gb ones, so sure!
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ChickenHeart posted:God, what I wouldn't do for a spiritual sequel to FEAR where you run a paranormal SWAT team that has to deal with supernatural threats to national security as the world falls prey to some eldritch horror-stuff. That's sort of Clive Barkers Jericho. It was okay - could have really benefitted from coop though. Oh and before publisher shenanigans happened, the SWAT 4 devs were working on SWAT 4: What if Zombie Apocalypse. All the tactical gameplay and squad mechanics of SWAT 4, but with slow zombies.
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exquisite tea posted:It's really not, at least not in the context of Far Cry 5. Hard disagree. The ending scene was nicely chaotic and the twist was competently done and foreshadowed in some interesting ways by the background information in the game. I wouldn't have enjoyed the standard hero ending people seemed to want nearly so much (however, I wouldn't have been screamingly furious about it).
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Well there's always one.
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exquisite tea posted:Well there's always one. Two.  I thought it was fine, and the whole series has bleak “gently caress you you’re an awful monster” endings anyway.
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I'm okay with the idea, but the execution from what I've seen on youtube seems lacking in a way I can't put my finger on and would probably figure out if I played it. As it stands, to me, it's just kind of... a dumb shock twist ending no matter what?
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Nov 13, 2018 16:36
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Far Cry 5's ending is basically saying that you're a terrible person for trying to stop the rapey Evangelical murder cult, and that they were right about the end of the world.  Ubisoft, you've really made me think.
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The problem is that FC5’s ending doesn’t tie in any way thematically with the cult or what they stand for. It isn’t like Pagan Min in FC4 where the player can come around to sympathizing with his point of view when you see just how much worse his opponents are. The PEGIs are only presented as crazy one-dimensional villains who drug and murder people, and their vindication at the end comes as pure happenstance instead of anything they directly engineered themselves. If the game went more into what the cult actually offered to people or allowed the player to see from Joseph Seed’s point of view this would be more effective, but for all their monologuing the villains of the story are really ineffective at making their case. There’s a lot more I could say about how they really don’t work as villains even for the pessimistic sensibilities of Far Cry but I’ll leave it at that. Great music though!
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exquisite tea posted:[...] Great music though! Oooonnnlllyyyy yyyooouuuuuuuuuuuu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnIGsApQiLI I had written a long post about Far Cry 5, but then I suddenly got hit by sleep dart and I don’t remember what happened next. Weird!
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If they had have done anything interesting at all with the cult other than making them super vaguely motivated psychos it would have been more compelling. Especially when all the talk surrounding the game was trying to highlight how the writers took a hard look at the kind of things that draws people to cults and other abusive organizations, and then you get into the game and it's all like "WE GAVE EVERYONE MIND CONTROL DRUGS gently caress IT" I find real life cults honestly scary, but my fear comes from people voluntarily joining them and opening themselves up rather than spooky brain drugs and super powers. Also I didn't know that's how the game ends, that's pretty funny
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I liked my Far Cry 3 and 4 endings, maybe it's just how I took the endings I chose? In 3, my trust funded rear end bumblefucked into a warzone and my natural impulse was to treat the deaths of my friends and family like it's Eat Pray Love with sleeve tattoos, but as soon as it got a little too real when they wanted me to slash my girlfriend's throat in a ritual rite, I was all "Actually guys, this has been a fun vacation, but I need to get back to my condo, my fern needs watering and I think I missed a payment on my Volvo Golf." It just felt so exactly in-character - no growth after the horrors he's witnessed (or even acknowledgment of the horrors he's caused), just good ol' fashioned moral superiority from the worst mass murderer the island has ever seen. You start as a lovely, entitled tourist, and that's exactly how you end. In 4, my goal upon arrival was to scatter my mom's ashes. Within ten minutes, the list expanded to scatter my mom's ashes and put a bullet in Pagan's face. I got mixed up in the civil war and local struggles, but my eye was on the prize the whole time, every step moving me closer to his mountain. When I finally arrived, Pagan was waiting with a meal and a monologue, beckoning me to take a seat. I preferred to take a shot. I'm sure he had a lot to say, but if I wanna know what was on his mind I'd need a squeegee and a bucket to get it off the wall. Queue "Should I Stay or Should I Go" and roll credits. I cross the two items off my two item long list and start packing up whatever the stoners haven't stolen from the flop house. I'll admit that neither are really narratively satisfying, but they lined up perfectly with how I felt about the characters.
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ChickenHeart posted:God, what I wouldn't do for a spiritual sequel to FEAR where you run a paranormal SWAT team that has to deal with supernatural threats to national security as the world falls prey to some eldritch horror-stuff. I would 100% absolutely buy that game. site posted:Wasnt there some clive barker presents game like that a few years back Jericho was so bad, and the worst part about that is that everything except for playing the game itself was good. It had an interesting Clive Barker story; neat, gross locations; interesting characters you could switch between at any time... but the game is basically entirely long corridors with bulletsponge enemies and, though this may just be me, the most interesting powers are also very finicky to use. I hope Clive Barker gets to work on another game at some point, but with two commercially unsuccessful games and one that got cancelled, I doubt we will.
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Casimir Radon posted:Far Cry 5's ending is basically saying that you're a terrible person for trying to stop the rapey Evangelical murder cult, and that they were right about the end of the world. I don't think they ever try to make you sympathize with the cultists so I'd question the former statement. Ubisoft definitely pulled every punch but they still portray the cultists as the bad guys throughout the game from what I recall, at least. tbh my opinion of the ending is probably colored a little bit by the fact that I grew to hate the game towards the end and was happy to see it all annihilated in a "gently caress you" hellfire Tiny Timbs fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Fallom posted:I don't think they ever try to make you sympathize with the cultists so I'd question the former. tbh my opinion of the ending is probably colored a little bit by the fact that I grew to hate the game towards the end and was happy to see it all annihilated in a "gently caress you" hellfire Humanizing cult leaders is probably a mistake. I guess there was some miniseries earlier in the year that retold the Waco story. Except they whitewashed everything Koresh did so their stupid narrative could make it look like he might have had a point. Is it responsible to humanize Jim Jones? Far Cry 6 will probably just be Ubisoft mailing you a letter that says "gently caress you. You're horrible. Thanks for the $60" So deep.
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The family doesn't win anything, really. You do definitely put a stop to their bullshit. Being correct about their prediction of a modern judgment day doesn't mean they won anything- whether the destruction of hope county at the end is real or a hallucination (it really does work if you assume it is the latter regardless of what Ubi says), they are not going to be doing their cult brainwashing for much longer either way.
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catlord posted:I would 100% absolutely buy that game. And to top it all off: the game had something you could barely call an ending. You end up in some kind of watery world to deal with the final boss and said boss instantly kills off two of your teammates. During the boss fight each remaining member of the team has a gimmick it has to use during a certain phase, so the devs basically killed those two people because they couldn’t come up with a gimmick for them. You beat the boss, dive in the water for safety, emerge out of the other side of a tunnel into a huge body of water, the camera moves towards the sky and ??? There is no narration or dialogue to tell you what is going to happen after you beat that final boss. There are 8-bit games that just go “Conglatulations!” and that’s a better ending. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Joseph and you live and it's implied he that he brainwashes you in the bunker. The other ending implies that you're already brainwashed, kill your friends, and Joseph goes back to business as usual.
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I mean, that is a bummer, but you're both stuck in a nuclear shelter bunker because 50's PSA style atomic bombs just dropped on your heads, assuming the so-called apocalypse was real. Neither of you are going anywhere.
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