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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1062394700966039554 This woman will take over the world one day.
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Main Paineframe posted:What is to stop him, legally speaking? Press rights are a very complicated and often-vague arena of law. Obviously, merely claiming you're a journalist doesn't give you unrestricted access to literally anywhere you wish to go, after all, so there's all sorts of limits and standards that often aren't laid down all that cleanly. eke out posted:sorry I hedged my post with 'if it's the right reg' because for a second i thought that guy saying it was wrong might not be full of poo poo, my bad Eh, you can make an argument that the existing reg applies only to denials for security reasons, not to arbitrary and capricious denials because the President personally dislikes the reporter, but . .. that's not a good argument to be making CmdrRiker posted:Actually, that can happen to a point. https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/569/124/35083/ Haha, didn't realize that CFR line was in response to an actual previous case decision. Yeah. This is not gonna go well for the White House.
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Somehow this is more evidence that the Dems are bad.
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Nov 13, 2018 18:39
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Just gonna talk about my secret information on twitter.  America the joke.
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News: Trump ordered the dog pound burning that killed 200 dogs. Thread: Trump is a horrible piece of poo poo. RaySmuckles: But Obama advocated that dogs be spayed or neutered one time. So why is that ok for Obama to do and not Trump?
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Nov 13, 2018 18:39
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Sure, Donny, just like all those other times you let us know you failed like
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Pollyanna posted:Lemme guess - Pelosi is going to use this as an excuse to shut AOC out of any future party activities and/or screw her over? The whole thing looks choreographed to me to give Pelosi and AOC both more bona fides -- Pelosi with the base and AOC by showing she can work with the party agenda. I mean, good?
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God, if things go bad and the missiles start flying the last person I want to hear from is that putrid sack of mashed potatoes.
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RaySmuckles posted:here's a story about him boycotting fox news shows and the other news networks rushing in to save fox You are a liar and you should not post in this thread.
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Nov 13, 2018 18:40
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1062394700966039554 She got a result in negative 5 days. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/11/08/politics/climate-change-committee-democrats-congress-pelosi/index.html?__twitter_impression=true cnn.com posted:Pelosi recently told The New York Times in an interview that she plans to ask House Democrats to set up a select committee that would be similar to the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, which operated from 2007 up until 2011 when Republicans took back control of the House from Democrats.
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Pollyanna posted:Lemme guess - Pelosi is going to use this as an excuse to shut AOC out of any future party activities and/or screw her over? Nah, this was well managed by all parties to get an outcome where everyone looks good. AOC looks like she gets results, Pelosi looks like she's actually listening to the people, there's not video of screaming protestors being pepper sprayed or forcefully dragged out of Pelosi's office. It's a win win.
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VitalSigns posted:But that's how it is now. You can't let 300 million Americans into the briefing room. They wouldn't even fit, so of course there has to be some process to accredit news organizations Sure, but that's CNN's argument - that they previously had the access but that it was arbitrarily revoked without good reason. That's a common principle governing many executive branch actions: outside of clearly political stuff, executive decisionmaking is supposed to be governed by the facts and the law, so an executive agency shouldn't change a decision it's already made unless either the facts or the law change. That's quite a bit different from the sweeping statements about all journalism that many posters are making here, though.
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Nov 13, 2018 18:41
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"I didn't get played! I didn't get played!", corncob, etc
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Nov 13, 2018 18:41
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1062394700966039554 Didn't Pelosi already state that she was going to have a select committee on climate change? I wonder if AOC and Pelosi coordinated this. AOC and the DSA get a big policy win early on and make it look like Pelosi's doing what they want, and Pelosi gains an ally on the Left for the price of being humiliated a little and doing exactly what she already wanted to do. edit: to be clear, Pelosi taking AOC under her wing is an objectively good thing as it means she's being groomed for leadership despite not even being in office yet.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Somehow this is more evidence that the Dems are bad. https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1062067391612432384?s=21 Imagine thinking republicans are eager to expand voting rights
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Nov 13, 2018 18:42
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Kimsemus posted:not at all. I'm not a fan of what Jim Acosta has to say to POTUS but I defend his right to say it. Kimsemus posted:counterpoint: just for sake of argument, CNN can just send anyone not jim acosta.
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aware of dog posted:https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1062067391612432384?s=21 How the hell is Aslan so stupid as to think that Republicans care about expanding voting rights? Has he been paying attention?
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Nov 13, 2018 18:44
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aware of dog posted:https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1062067391612432384?s=21 That's one take, I guess. "This bill does TOO MANY good things!"
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Nov 13, 2018 18:44
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Unzip and Attack posted:Obama gave multiple interviews with Chris Wallace and Bill O'Reilly as well as going on Fox News Sunday, and that's just the stuff I personally remember. The quote I posted shows that the White House did try to exclude Fox from press pools, but immediately did a 180 after they saw how the rest of the WH press corps reacted to that trial balloon.
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Main Paineframe posted:Sure, but that's CNN's argument - that they previously had the access but that it was arbitrarily revoked without good reason. That's a common principle governing many executive branch actions: outside of clearly political stuff, executive decisionmaking is supposed to be governed by the facts and the law, so an executive agency shouldn't change a decision it's already made unless either the facts or the law change. those sweeping statements make sense because their first cause of action is the first amendment claim and it's the far broader argument that actually matters here. the 5th and APA claims are just "they can do this, but they did it wrong in this instance" and while procedural complaints may be the heart of administrative law they're boring af
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Kimsemus posted:not at all. I'm not a fan of what Jim Acosta has to say to POTUS but I defend his right to say it.
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Nov 13, 2018 18:46
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Skex posted:They are objectively and demonstrably incorrect. They really aren't. There is no fundamental difference between FOX and CNN; both act as propaganda vehicles with a heavy ideological bias that they falsely claim doesn't exist. There's only a difference in degree. edit: One can obviously argue that they think the ideological slant of FOX is worse than that of CNN (or MSNBC or whatever), but that's a different argument than claiming they're fundamentally different in nature and that FOX is somehow propaganda in a way those other stations aren't*. So this isn't some "both sides" thing, since you can simultaneously think that FOX is, on the whole, worse than (for example) CNN, while also realizing that the latter isn't somehow a "real" news organizations in a way that former isn't. edit2: A good example might be coverage of Yemen. Someone mentioned earlier how FOX isn't "real news" because it doesn't cover things inconvenient to Trump/Republicans. But the same is basically true for other US news with other topics (like Yemen which went almost entirely uncovered). All these organizations are selectively choosing what to report and how to report it in ways that serve their particular ideological bias. Another example is a paper like the NYTimes dishonestly referring to Palestinians being murdered by the IDF as "clashes." The only real difference is with regard to the specific topics the organization chooses to emphasize or ignore, and subtle propaganda that people perceive as not being such is in many ways more worrying than something as blatant as FOX News. * If anything, I'd argue that other news organizations are in some ways more concerning, because they manage to be perceived by most US Democrats are not being propaganda (which actually makes them more useful towards serving that goal) Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Odd amount of Mueller related chatter today https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1062400073806491648?s=19
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I must be crazy. I remember distinctly that overturning Citizens United being both Hillary and Trump's platforms and thinking "well at least that piece of poo poo is going to be gone no matter what" Has Trump back pedaled?
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Main Paineframe posted:The quote I posted shows that the White House did try to exclude Fox from press pools, but immediately did a 180 after they saw how the rest of the WH press corps reacted to that trial balloon. That's cool and all, but it isn't what RaySmuckles said: RaySmuckles posted:do you all remember when obama was going to revoke Fox News' white house press pass? Literally neither of these things are true.
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Crow Jane posted:Was there a specific question of Acosta's that you didn't like, or just the general concept of people being mean to Trump? Jim Acosta has been using the press pool to preach for years. Especially with this President though, he's been trying to use the press corp as a bully pulpit instead of asking actual questions. He's just not a very good reporter in my view.
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Main Paineframe posted:The quote I posted shows that the White House did try to exclude Fox from press pools, but immediately did a 180 after they saw how the rest of the WH press corps reacted to that trial balloon. "And on Thursday, the Treasury Department tried to exclude FOX News from pool coverage of interviews with a key official." You are as bad at reading as you are good at false equivalency.
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cr0y posted:Odd amount of Mueller related chatter today this makes sense because George had like legitimately solid lawyers with good reputations that did their jobs, and now he's spending all his time pushing right wing conspiracy theories and saying his biggest mistake was pleading guilty to the entrapment they did to him definitely not a surprise they want to get the gently caress out of there before any new charges against George suddenly appear (and also he apparently has other lawyers but idk who they are, probably funded by the far right)
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Nov 13, 2018 18:49
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Blitz7x posted:I must be crazy. I remember distinctly that overturning Citizens United being both Hillary and Trump's platforms and thinking "well at least that piece of poo poo is going to be gone no matter what" Its going to be packaged with the single payer healthcare proposal he promised once in the primaries any day now
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Main Paineframe posted:The quote I posted shows that the White House did try to exclude Fox from press pools, but immediately did a 180 after they saw how the rest of the WH press corps reacted to that trial balloon. No not from press pools just a single event with the treasury department that was rescinded. This is not the same as releasing doctored videos to attempt to expunge reporters forever.
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Feldegast42 posted:Its going to be packaged with the single payer healthcare proposal he promised once in the primaries any day now Is that before or after infrastructure week?
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Blitz7x posted:I must be crazy. I remember distinctly that overturning Citizens United being both Hillary and Trump's platforms and thinking "well at least that piece of poo poo is going to be gone no matter what" Why would Trump, a very wealthy man beholden to many corporations, who goes out of his way to recruit from those same corporations to fill government positions, want to restrict the ability of corporations to spend money on elections?
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Kimsemus posted:not at all. I'm not a fan of what Jim Acosta has to say to POTUS but I defend his right to say it. chan kiddies' total incapability to stick with a position when pressured is one of their funniest traits without the anonymous mass of The Consensus to fall back on in response to pushback, they just constantly throw more poo poo at the wall in the hopes something will stick from "just playing devil's advocate here" to "actually i'm a diehard MSNBC watcher" to "it's unfortunate, but no legal challenge is possible" to "how dare Jim Acosta say those things, but he has the right to say them" figure out what you believe before trying to support it. you save yourself a lot of time flailing.
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The best way for Robert Mueller to remind everyone he still exists would be to indict Don Jr. or that little weasel Kushner.
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https://twitter.com/GovernorVA/status/1062365211380903936?s=19 Northram and Cuomo groveling at the oppurtunity to pay Amazon so they can gently caress up the surrounding area is humiliating. Northram should one up Cuomo and say he'll tattoo Amazon on his face.
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Kimsemus posted:not at all. I'm not a fan of what Jim Acosta has to say to POTUS but I defend his right to say it. Accountability and journalism are things I'm not a fan of as well, people should listen to what I have to say. edit: LOL Kimsemus posted:Jim Acosta has been using the press pool to preach for years. Especially with this President though, he's been trying to use the press corp as a bully pulpit instead of asking actual questions. He's just not a very good reporter in my view. Jaxyon fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:chan kiddies' total incapability to stick with a position when pressured is one of their funniest traits yeah it's rare we get someone that apparently unironically supports trump in any of these threads lol
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as pain mainframe posted, the only mention of in person interviews i could find was for the for the cabinet member. Xombie posted:Maybe you should have checked to see if this wasn't complete bullshit before posting it like it was a fact and premising your entire equivalency argument on it? i maintain my comparison was apt. certainly not "complete bullshit." there are plenty of articles about obamas "war on fox news" and his attempt freeze them out. but the conversation has certainly digressed beyond the question of "can the executive revoke peoples' press passes" which i maintain they absolutely can because there are no rules governing that. the only challenge i've seen i heirmonious alloy but his was a challenge of process Unzip and Attack posted:You are a liar and you should not post in this thread. lol, ok
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