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Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010

Calaveron posted:

They could’ve done much more with Jade. Everyone else gets developed so well but her

Honestly it’s kind of crazy how only one party member in a group of eight feels underutilized, especially since Dragon Quest is usually all about the minimalist storytelling.

Dragon Quest XI is so good guys.

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Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

Finally finished DQ4 mobile. Did all the bonus content - the extra dungeon, secret character, New Town, assloads of gambling to get gold + gear, killed the superboss enough times to get all the secret character's gear, and the super-super-boss (who I got first try, I guess thanks to the leveling/gearing I did for the other superboss). Played almost entirely on the can, a few minutes at a time. Nearly 50 hours played, took 10 months.

Next up will be DQ6m. I'm skipping 5m for now because I'm less familiar with 6. The last game I played on my DS before I sold it 5 years ago was a replay of DQ5, and I followed an LP of it a few years ago as well.

Clara
Feb 7, 2004

Calaveron posted:

They could’ve done much more with Jade. Everyone else gets developed so well but her

Yeah, I saw someone point out on another forum that it's bizarre the (non-)direction they went with her considering just how many ties she has to other characters in the game: her father was possessed by a major antagonist, she has history with Hendrik and Jasper, she was close to the Luminary's parents, she travelled with Rab for years, etc.

They could have done so much with her in Act 2 but instead she's captured by a gross monster and turned into a predatory bunny girl? Well...all right then.

King Bahamut
Nov 12, 2003
internet internet lama sabacthani

Ofecks posted:

Finally finished DQ4 mobile. Did all the bonus content - the extra dungeon, secret character, New Town, assloads of gambling to get gold + gear, killed the superboss enough times to get all the secret character's gear, and the super-super-boss (who I got first try, I guess thanks to the leveling/gearing I did for the other superboss). Played almost entirely on the can, a few minutes at a time. Nearly 50 hours played, took 10 months.

Next up will be DQ6m. I'm skipping 5m for now because I'm less familiar with 6. The last game I played on my DS before I sold it 5 years ago was a replay of DQ5, and I followed an LP of it a few years ago as well.

Weird question, but can you mute the music? I need a new train game but prefer to listen to podcasts. Tried Chrono Trigger and it’s just a packaged ROM so audio is all or nothing

Head Hit Keyboard
Oct 9, 2012

It must be fate that has brought us together after all these years.

King Bahamut posted:

Weird question, but can you mute the music? I need a new train game but prefer to listen to podcasts. Tried Chrono Trigger and it’s just a packaged ROM so audio is all or nothing

You can't mute it but you can make it almost inaudibly quiet. It's kind of odd in that sense.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

Yeah, there are separate BGM/SFX volume settings. Both are values 1-5, 5 being the loudest. As stated, for whatever reason, setting 1 isn't completely mute. These options are kinda hidden away in the "Misc" menu in-game.

I'm curious as to why you'd want to mute the music? With the exception of the latest installment, the DQ series BGM is widely considered to be excellent and iconic.

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010
Different strokes, bro. The DQXI Act 3 overworld theme owns super hard but after 10+ hours I could just, you know, be happy catching up to my podcast backlog too.

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

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Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Last Celebration posted:

Different strokes, bro. The DQXI Act 3 overworld theme owns super hard but after 10+ hours I could just, you know, be happy catching up to my podcast backlog too.
That's because it's from DQ3, IIRC. I've found the original compositions in DQ11 to be eminently super forgettable. As in, I literally can't remember a second of them the instant I'm not playing the game anymore. There's some stuff that was rehashed from other DQ games (the ship music is from 4, some of the towns had music from other DQ games, and the Act 3 overworld is obviously from 3) that I can recall when I'm not playing the game, but all of the new stuff, nope.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
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ANNOYING
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JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
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Just in case I'm wrong, has anyone here run into this problem, because I think that I am hosed: I've put several dozen hours of play time into a game of DQ3 on SFC. Some time ago, I stopped being able to load adventure logs. If I save at a king, it automatically tells me that any adventure log is lost if I try to load the game the old-fashioned way. I have save states, of course, but the only way to access the post-game is via saving after defeating Zoma and then loading that save file.

I thought that I would post this in case anyone had any insight, but the thing that I was most looking forward to was seeing the new content in the SFC version after the main game. Without that, I don't think that I'm going to bother beating the big bad boss.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

Sounds like the SRAM files are getting corrupted somehow. Which emulator are you using, what kind of storage hardware does it live on, and what's your OS?

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Ofecks posted:

Sounds like the SRAM files are getting corrupted somehow. Which emulator are you using, what kind of storage hardware does it live on, and what's your OS?

snes9x v1.56.2

The emulator, ROM and save files are on an external, old-fashioned non SD drive. I did try deleting the .srm files, loading a save state and making new ones - no luck

Windows 7x64

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
For this quest in XI where you need to get the jackpot, is there any way of gaming things to make it more likely, or is it entirely luck?

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

Justin_Brett posted:

For this quest in XI where you need to get the jackpot, is there any way of gaming things to make it more likely, or is it entirely luck?

I struggled with this for a while, but after resetting like 10 times, she finally said the magic words, and I hit it like literally 2 tries later.

MMF Freeway
Sep 15, 2010

Later!

Justin_Brett posted:

For this quest in XI where you need to get the jackpot, is there any way of gaming things to make it more likely, or is it entirely luck?

There's a bunny girl by the big tub of tokens that tells you about the jackpot. Sometimes she says that she's feeling that someone is gonna win it soon. Once you get that message bet on every square until you get it. You can rest to pass time until you get the message (saving and loading might work too)

garthoneeye
Feb 18, 2013

Justin_Brett posted:

For this quest in XI where you need to get the jackpot, is there any way of gaming things to make it more likely, or is it entirely luck?

I just played and got it in like ~12 spins and jackpot lady wasn't giving me any it's gonna happen soon messages.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

JustJeff88 posted:

snes9x v1.56.2

The emulator, ROM and save files are on an external, old-fashioned non SD drive. I did try deleting the .srm files, loading a save state and making new ones - no luck

Windows 7x64

Is the external drive USB? USB ports in a lot of computers can be flaky as gently caress so it's entirely possible something got corrupted during use. The only advice I have is to move the emu and ROM to an internal drive and try making new SRAMs or just start over. Maybe someone else who knows more about this stuff than I can chime in.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Ofecks posted:

Is the external drive USB? USB ports in a lot of computers can be flaky as gently caress so it's entirely possible something got corrupted during use. The only advice I have is to move the emu and ROM to an internal drive and try making new SRAMs or just start over. Maybe someone else who knows more about this stuff than I can chime in.

I actually tried that with no luck. I've seen reports of this elsewhere and I had a person on a DQ-related forum mention the bug when the Hero isn't in the lead, but my hero has always been in the 1st position. Simply put, some people have talked about the problems with happen with mixing .srm saves and save states, but I've done that multiple times before on various emulation platforms and never had any issues. I'm just sad that I won't be able to play the post-game as I was looking forward to that.

Thanks for trying to help though, Ofecks. Your avatar cat looks exactly like my tabby, sans the rocking wizard hat.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

JustJeff88 posted:

Your avatar cat looks exactly like my tabby, sans the rocking wizard hat.

Haha. Her name is Tallulah, she's a goonette's tubby fatcat from the yospos cat thread. She's been on a diet for quite a while and has lost a lot of weight, but still looks like a stripey ham. I can't currently butler a cat (as we say in that thread) so please hug and enjoy your cat.

I hope you can get your DQ3r issue straightened out, I recall the postgame being pretty fun. Lots of crazy gear and monsters to fight. The last time I played the remake I got stuck on Baramos because I didn't level enough to get some critical spells.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Ofecks posted:

Haha. Her name is Tallulah, she's a goonette's tubby fatcat from the yospos cat thread. She's been on a diet for quite a while and has lost a lot of weight, but still looks like a stripey ham. I can't currently butler a cat (as we say in that thread) so please hug and enjoy your cat.

I hope you can get your DQ3r issue straightened out, I recall the postgame being pretty fun. Lots of crazy gear and monsters to fight. The last time I played the remake I got stuck on Baramos because I didn't level enough to get some critical spells.

My Prima is obsessed with food but a healthy weight, somehow.

I've unfortunately given up unless I find a way to access the Sky World. In most games, only having Save States would not be a problem; figures that I would have a technical issue with one of the few where it matters. I'm going to perhaps try the mobile version of 3, and I've also never played DWIV for the NES. I'm kicking myself a bit because I was going to play DQ3-SFC on my Retron using the actual cartridge, which supports patches and save states, but I didn't. I played the cartridge version of DQ1 and 2 translated on that with no problems and never expected anything like this to happen - perhaps it stores save states and "battery" saves differently. I mostly use save states to bypass RNG-heavy nonsense like trying to farm for Magic Hats for my casters or playing Pachisi. Pachisi is cute, fun and a novel idea, but like most board games it is almost entirely RNG dependant and I don't have the patience to play the same track two dozen times in order to make the die behave and give me the loot that I want.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

I wish I had save states to use for casino poo poo in DQ4m. The best way to get coins is the monster battling arena and it is extremely spiky in its payouts. I'd have session after session of not winning anything, then BAM 20k all at once. The last win I got was 59k which is insane (it was an 8k bet on a high-payout monster that wins most of the time - 8.3 or something like that). That's still faster than just pocketing payouts from every win instead of betting it all against the next match.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever
I'm about to start DQ3 for iOS; any fun party suggestions? My aborted SFC playthrough had a thief->fighter, Goof-off->Sage and Mage->Sage and my hero had the "Smart" personality, so he had a lot of MP for his class. For the mobile version, I'm thinking of doing a good-old reliable soldier, Merchant (never used one) who becomes a Sage asap and a pilgrim who will become a sage as soon as I get the second Zen Book in the Dark World. I'm open to suggestions though, especially since class balance and gear options can vary between versions. I like ending the game with two Sages, though, for versatility and also because the two best whips in the game are usable by sages.

Speaking of gear choices, is there any functional reason to *not* use female characters? I know that the mobile port isn't as biased towards female-only gear as the SFC version due to the lack of Pachisi drops, but still... should I make my whole team as ladies or are there some good male-only options finally as well? Soldiers have so many gear choices that I would assume that a male soldier wouldn't miss out, and I would kind of lack to have one male and one female sage if only to be able to enjoy both sprites.

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

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These poker accolades will be the death of me.

Head Hit Keyboard
Oct 9, 2012

It must be fate that has brought us together after all these years.

JustJeff88 posted:

I'm about to start DQ3 for iOS; any fun party suggestions? My aborted SFC playthrough had a thief->fighter, Goof-off->Sage and Mage->Sage and my hero had the "Smart" personality, so he had a lot of MP for his class. For the mobile version, I'm thinking of doing a good-old reliable soldier, Merchant (never used one) who becomes a Sage asap and a pilgrim who will become a sage as soon as I get the second Zen Book in the Dark World. I'm open to suggestions though, especially since class balance and gear options can vary between versions. I like ending the game with two Sages, though, for versatility and also because the two best whips in the game are usable by sages.

Speaking of gear choices, is there any functional reason to *not* use female characters? I know that the mobile port isn't as biased towards female-only gear as the SFC version due to the lack of Pachisi drops, but still... should I make my whole team as ladies or are there some good male-only options finally as well? Soldiers have so many gear choices that I would assume that a male soldier wouldn't miss out, and I would kind of lack to have one male and one female sage if only to be able to enjoy both sprites.

The mobile version doesn't have any items that weren't in the SFC version so males are still poo poo out of luck. That said since the big ticket item (Dress of Light/Shimmering Dress) isn't farmable anymore, it's not as big of a deal for post-game optimization. The only other particularly noteworthy lady-only items throughout the game are the Magical Skirt and the Silver Tiara. The Tiara is the best headpiece in the game for fighters period and the best for mages until the Dark World. The skirt is essentially Magic Armor with less defense, very nice for those that can't use magic armor.

TBH the only class I'd say feels like it NEEDS to be female is Fighter, because the Magical Skirt and the Shimmering Dress are the only non-physical protection they have access to. Everyone else has other options they can rely on. Is it beneficial for characters to be male over female? No, but by and large it's not that detrimental either.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
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he knows...
They should all be sexy females since it gives by far the best growth.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Bigass Moth posted:

They should all be sexy females since it gives by far the best growth.

Yeah thats the brutal part of the remakes tbh

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

The personality names were retranslated for the mobile release, and I think the extremely good female-exclusive one is called "Vamp" now.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
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JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Shugojin posted:

Yeah thats the brutal part of the remakes tbh

I agree. In my lost SFC playthrough, I put the Garter Belt on my thief->fighter early in the game (it's a 5-medal reward) and she was a beast throughout the game. I may give that to my female hero, since my last hero was male, but I don't think that it's necessarily always best. For casters, I like the personality that gives 130% wisdom with only minor penalties elsewhere, like -5% to strength. There is another one that gives 140% wisdom, but it comes with a 20% reduction in Vitality and that is a big hit for casters.

Bongo Bill posted:

The personality names were retranslated for the mobile release, and I think the extremely good female-exclusive one is called "Vamp" now.

One of my problems with all of these versions of DQ3 is that I can't keep the names for items, personalities and locations straight. The fact that SF3 was an unofficial translation probably exacerbates that.

Ofecks
May 4, 2009

A portly feline wizard waddles forth, muttering something about conjured food.

Use Random Thing Picker to generate a random party. Put in all the classes, roll 3 times, and use what it gives you. You could also use the RNG (same site, different page) of 1-4 to determine the size of your party if you're cool with a challenge.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
The Auroral Serpent is the first hard boss I've fought holy moly, only had two party members total left cause of poor Yggdrasil leaf distribution. I honestly thought it was going to be a forced loss type of fight since I knew Serena was around the corner and felt very embarrassed that it wasnt.....should prob work on my gear more I guess.....

Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006


It seems weird to want fun party selections and then say you feel bound to have them all be sexy women. DQ3 isn't so difficult that you need to only use the mathematically best option. Use whatever gender/personality you like. Play to type or pick the opposite. Have fun.

HPanda
Sep 5, 2008
I haven't played the DQ3 postgame myself, but I think the min-maxing is supposed to be more relevant to the postgame. While the regular game is pretty easy, that's likely where focusing on the kind of growth each character gets and end-game equipment options becomes relevant.

Rascyc
Jan 23, 2008

Dissatisfied Puppy

Expect My Mom posted:

The Auroral Serpent is the first hard boss I've fought holy moly, only had two party members total left cause of poor Yggdrasil leaf distribution. I honestly thought it was going to be a forced loss type of fight since I knew Serena was around the corner and felt very embarrassed that it wasnt.....should prob work on my gear more I guess.....

Yeah he was my hardest boss on the Hard difficulty too, out of all the optionals.

Draile
May 6, 2004

forlorn llama

Potsticker posted:

It seems weird to want fun party selections and then say you feel bound to have them all be sexy women. DQ3 isn't so difficult that you need to only use the mathematically best option. Use whatever gender/personality you like. Play to type or pick the opposite. Have fun.

Also, if you want to keep the Vamp personality you’re either going to have to disregard most of the good accessories (they change your personality) or do the tedious work of swapping them out before you level.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
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Draile posted:

Also, if you want to keep the Vamp personality you’re either going to have to disregard most of the good accessories (they change your personality) or do the tedious work of swapping them out before you level.

That's one thing I really, really hate about the whole personality system. It's so moronic that I don't equip any personality-changing accessory unless I want those weighted stat increases. Honestly, I think that the whole personality system was a mistake.

Dr.Smasher
Nov 27, 2002

Cyberpunk 1987

Expect My Mom posted:

The Auroral Serpent is the first hard boss I've fought holy moly, only had two party members total left cause of poor Yggdrasil leaf distribution. I honestly thought it was going to be a forced loss type of fight since I knew Serena was around the corner and felt very embarrassed that it wasnt.....should prob work on my gear more I guess.....

I thought I'd steamroll him since I had good equipment and was overleveled for the area but nope. He's pretty tough. I think I only had three party members survive.

Potsticker
Jan 14, 2006


JustJeff88 posted:

That's one thing I really, really hate about the whole personality system. It's so moronic that I don't equip any personality-changing accessory unless I want those weighted stat increases. Honestly, I think that the whole personality system was a mistake.

That's not a fault of the system itself and has more to do with the itemization. And I'm not even sure if that's a problem because while you do seem frustrated that you can't wear the best stuff AND get the best stat growth without juggling things around-- is that a bad thing? You have to put in some tedious work to be the absolute best? Doesn't seem like an issue to me. If I were to fault the system it's that the personalities could change dialogue or something other than just determine how your stats change when you level.


HPanda posted:

I haven't played the DQ3 postgame myself, but I think the min-maxing is supposed to be more relevant to the postgame. While the regular game is pretty easy, that's likely where focusing on the kind of growth each character gets and end-game equipment options becomes relevant.

It's really not that necessary unless the postgame has been made massively harder in the mobile version.

Expect My Mom
Nov 18, 2013

by Smythe
God, farming the Killing Machines for this quest to kill a G0 is turning me into the real killing machine

Dr.Smasher posted:

I thought I'd steamroll him since I had good equipment and was overleveled for the area but nope. He's pretty tough. I think I only had three party members survive.


Dr.Smasher posted:

I thought I'd steamroll him since I had good equipment and was overleveled for the area but nope. He's pretty tough. I think I only had three party members survive.
Okay phew glad it wasnt just me

Clara
Feb 7, 2004

Expect My Mom posted:

God, farming the Killing Machines for this quest to kill a G0 is turning me into the real killing machine

A Dish Served Cold is a super annoying quest if you get unlucky. I've seen people say to make sure you're specifically in the Frozen Fjord area and that it's nighttime but it doesn't actually matter, the spawn rate for the G0 is just awful regardless.

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Fhqwhgads
Jul 18, 2003

I AM THE ONLY ONE IN THIS GAME WHO GETS LAID

Clara posted:

A Dish Served Cold is a super annoying quest if you get unlucky. I've seen people say to make sure you're specifically in the Frozen Fjord area and that it's nighttime but it doesn't actually matter, the spawn rate for the G0 is just awful regardless.

This one took me forever until I realized I wasn't actually IN the frozen fjord. It's like a very specific area. Once I figured that out I got one in like 5 minutes.

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