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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Serf posted:

i mean you can talk about your puny marxism-leninisms, outdated maoisms and resilient hoxhaisms but the only acceptable position will always be posadism

okay but Stars Without Number is already a thing

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Serf
May 5, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

okay but Stars Without Number is already a thing

sadly crawford rejects the teachings of comrade high commander

Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine
Actually, I’ve just been reminded of WINTERHORN by Jason Morningstar, which is a game made explicitly to educate about activism, specifically about how state actors attempt to derail it. It’s not the only route to making a successful politically aware educational game but I’d say it is one.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

mllaneza posted:

Then I have good news for you comrade ! I'll report back after Thursday's event put on by the Democratic Socialists of America - San Francisco:



This is great, I wish I could see that panel.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



DSA Tabletop Caucus seems like a great idea.

It wouldn't even be the weirdest caucus I've seen floated, though all of the weirder ones are politically suspect or morally objectionable, and most of them are from twitter/hell.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I'm thinking of a Ticket to Ride where the goal is to link as many cities as possible given a limited number of trains, and then you could introduce some "randomization" by having certain cities be declared priorities within x turns to prevent it from becoming a "solved" game.

I wonder what you could do with Diplomacy.

NutritiousSnack
Jul 12, 2011

Ronwayne posted:

I think one of the best thing for the current zeitgeist might be some for of RPG primer for helping former centrists/liberals/rainbow capitalists who got their mind broken in 2016 to form a more coherent ideology beyond "poo poo's all hosed up and cannot stand." God knows I was one of them.

Those have already existed to extent. Everyone can moan and moo about Exalted, cWoD, monopoly and Warhammer/Rogue Trader and poo poo. You're always are going to hit them in their stomach, to quote Sinclair.

What Elfgames/movies/books/media can do is refine ideas or question liberal/right wing ideology or teach tactics or coordination skills; anything beyond that is a Afterschool special that shuts people off or actual philosophy

Elector_Nerdlingen
Sep 27, 2004



gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm thinking of a Ticket to Ride where the goal is to link as many cities as possible given a limited number of trains, and then you could introduce some "randomization" by having certain cities be declared priorities within x turns to prevent it from becoming a "solved" game.

That sounds legit awesome.

xiw
Sep 25, 2011

i wake up at night
night action madness nightmares
maybe i am scum

Cpig Haiku contest 2020 winner

Mr. Maltose posted:

Actually, I’ve just been reminded of WINTERHORN by Jason Morningstar, which is a game made explicitly to educate about activism, specifically about how state actors attempt to derail it. It’s not the only route to making a successful politically aware educational game but I’d say it is one.

I highly recommend this game, I've facilitated it a few times and it's been both highly entertaining and horrific each time.

Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm thinking of a Ticket to Ride where the goal is to link as many cities as possible given a limited number of trains, and then you could introduce some "randomization" by having certain cities be declared priorities within x turns to prevent it from becoming a "solved" game.

I wonder what you could do with Diplomacy.

I was thinking more of players having a fraction of the number of trains and open Route cards. Players can use each others' connections to connect cities, but they can only build a city to city connection on their own. All other mechanics remain the same more or less. Goal is getting as high a score as possible.

paradoxGentleman
Dec 10, 2013

wheres the jester, I could do with some pointless nonsense right about now

https://mobile.twitter.com/stuartdraws/status/1063235167265935360?s=19
A good thing happened.

neongrey
Feb 28, 2007

Plaguing your posts with incidental music.
I suspect this'll do about as much for the OSR as Matt Furie has managed to do for Pepe's public perception, but good on him for trying.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Better several years late than never, I guess.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
while I'm a little doubtful as to whether it's going to make a difference, or if the author is going to have enough gumption to tell-off the right people, it's rather obvious to me that James Raggi palling around with Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin might have crossed a "don't say the quiet part loud" line

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
It’s in response to noted class act Venger Satanis pulling a loving “My new gender is tentacle alien” mocking Trans Visibility Week, during the lead up to Trans Day of Remembrance. Good collection of folks absolutely completely fed up with his bullshit, too. Of course Pundit’s going to the loving wall for Venger over this.

Honestly it feels like the OSR is about ready to tear in half. A lot of people are just done with Zak and Pundit, Raggi has put himself out as a Peterson dude, and the end of G+ is splitting people between Discord and some poo poo called MeWe. I think we’ll see a community of people expressly pull away from the regressives pretty soon.

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."
Is that gonna make it so the new OSR is different from the old OSR in the same way that nuWW is different from White Wolf?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Arivia posted:

It’s in response to noted class act Venger Satanis pulling a loving “My new gender is tentacle alien” mocking Trans Visibility Week, during the lead up to Trans Day of Remembrance.

:psyduck: oh my god it was so much worse than I imagined

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Arivia posted:

It’s in response to noted class act Venger Satanis pulling a loving “My new gender is tentacle alien” mocking Trans Visibility Week, during the lead up to Trans Day of Remembrance. Good collection of folks absolutely completely fed up with his bullshit, too. Of course Pundit’s going to the loving wall for Venger over this.

Honestly it feels like the OSR is about ready to tear in half. A lot of people are just done with Zak and Pundit, Raggi has put himself out as a Peterson dude, and the end of G+ is splitting people between Discord and some poo poo called MeWe. I think we’ll see a community of people expressly pull away from the regressives pretty soon.

Is Venger the one who was banned from RPGnet for trying to put an IRL hex on someone?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Nuns with Guns posted:

Is Venger the one who was banned from RPGnet for trying to put an IRL hex on someone?

yes

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
Walls of Text
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2014-2018

Yes.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Hail Satan! Lord of the Pit! King of Hell! Ruler of the Earth! Master of the Abyss! I open the unknowable doorways and touch the violet flame, drink the revitalizing blood and break the skulls of those who cross Him or His brothers. I call upon the most vicious demons of Hell to intervene. From this night forth, all trans people will be plagued by self-doubt, weakness, failure, hopelessness, hunger, pain, loss, insecurity, and envy. (I did not actually touch the violet flame, so any such feelings are unrelated)

But anyway, that OSR logo is good and I'm glad they're making a statement.

Angrymog
Jan 30, 2012

Really Madcats

That's good. I was going to remove it from my two books. (They're not exactly high profile, but every little helps?)

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
I'm just baffled that even the most regressive corners of the OSR would want anything to do with Venger Satanis in the first place, the dude's not even just an rear end in a top hat, he's painfully lame on top of it.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



It seems like a very naive "our community accept anyone!" that fails to recognize how some anyones turn your community into a toxic shithole.

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009

moths posted:

It seems like a very naive "our community accept anyone!" that fails to recognize how some anyones turn your community into a toxic shithole.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Lemon-Lime posted:

This is great, I wish I could see that panel.

It dropped off the calendar at the last minute so I went home and hid from air pollution. Had my copy of Spire with me and everything.

Lumbermouth
Mar 6, 2008

GREG IS BIG NOW


It's been ages since I've followed any OSR stuff besides Dyson Logos maps, but I can still count on Pundit being the dirt worst in any conversation he's involved in.

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010

mllaneza posted:

Then I have good news for you comrade ! I'll report back after Thursday's event put on by the Democratic Socialists of America - San Francisco:



sorry folks, there's already a socialist version of settlers of catan - it's called spirit island.

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Nuns with Guns posted:

Is Venger the one who was banned from RPGnet for trying to put an IRL hex on someone?

Yes, among other things.

He also specifically hexed the Mods, but my life has been pretty good since then so he must have rolled badly and botched the spell.

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Arivia posted:

and the end of G+ is splitting people between Discord and some poo poo called MeWe.

Is this an ideological split, or is it just because some people find Discord insufficient for ttrpg gaming?

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS
A chat room is fundamentally different than a forum and I imagine many folks explicitly want the latter.

Foglet
Jun 17, 2014

Reality is an illusion.
The universe is a hologram.
Buy gold.
https://www.white-wolf.com/newsblog/a-message-from-white-wolf

Comrade Gorbash
Jul 12, 2011

My paper soldiers form a wall, five paces thick and twice as tall.
:drat:

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."
Amazing.

Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
wow, look slike the new owners didn't take too kindly to the old bullshit going on at white wolf.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

quote:

In practical terms, White Wolf will no longer function as a separate entity. The White Wolf team will be restructured and integrated directly into Paradox Interactive, and I will be temporarily managing things during this process. We are recruiting new leadership to guide White Wolf both creatively and commercially into the future, a process that has been ongoing since September.

Going forward, White Wolf will focus on brand management. This means White Wolf will develop the guiding principles for its vision of the World of Darkness, and give licensees the tools they need to create new, excellent products in this story world. White Wolf will no longer develop and publish these products internally. This has always been the intended goal for White Wolf as a company, and it is now time to enact it.
So when are they going to be posting the youtube video of them launching Martin out of a trebuchet into the sea?

Reene
Aug 26, 2005

:justpost:


grassy gnoll
Aug 27, 2006

The pawsting business is tough work.
If only someone could have foreseen this outcome, somehow.

LongDarkNight
Oct 25, 2010

It's like watching the collapse of Western civilization in fast forward.
Oven Wrangler

That could be any number of overheard LARP conversations.

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Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



What a Rollercoaster ride new White Wolf has been. Glad someone at Paradox decided to see what all the commotion was about

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