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GoutPatrol posted:Harvey Milk was an rear end in a top hat. Noted, still not off my list of people our politicians should emulate. 
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Petr posted:I don't want flawless heroes, I want role models whose flaws don't exactly correlate to the worst elements of today's politics. I notice you left "and actually accomplished something" off there.
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Nov 14, 2018 09:42
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Fulchrum posted:I notice you left "and actually accomplished something" off there. The implied question here is dumb enough that I don't really feel the need to explore this line of questioning further.
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Nov 14, 2018 09:43
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Petr posted:So did John Brown. Good thing victory isn't predestined. "Losing with PURITY is better than winning" Gee, wonder why you dont see any leftist success.
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Nov 14, 2018 09:45
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Nancy Pelosi's base of support is other politicians in Washington D.C., and GreyjoyBastard. That's it. For all the cries of "but she's such an effective whiiiiip" Fox news vilifies people like Pelosi and Hillary due to sexism. Full stop. That's the only reason. It's the same reason they'll do the same to AOC. Powerful women scare the gently caress out of republicans. You don't even have to like them (especially Hillary) to recognize the sexism but you must recognize it to combat it.
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no one really cares when the right vilifies her except in the most abstract sense, to the extent that it's bad for the party's prospects or they're just pissed because it's the right doing it (or, sometimes, because it's leftists doing it). What I mean to say is that no one identifies with Nancy Pelosi (again, apparently, excepting GreyjoyBastard for some reason) so no one can really take it personally when Fox News or whatever drags her for the 78th time this week. Of course you get upset if it's a Democrat being unfairly maligned for the usual bullshit, but it doesn't feel like they're attacking you - they're attacking Nancy Pelosi.
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Katt posted:She could have Hilary Clinton’s Twitter game can be surprisingly nuanced, because politics aside she’s a huge loving dork.
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Nov 14, 2018 09:50
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Fulchrum posted:"Losing with PURITY is better than winning" You are indescribably stupid if your takeaway is that I'm a purity advocate. Like, you couldn't be any clearer in being a kneejerk reaction poster.
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Nov 14, 2018 09:50
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GoutPatrol posted:Harvey Milk was an rear end in a top hat. I feel like the backstory of this post could be made into a movie. I know there's already a movie about Milk, but I want another one that focuses entirely on his time spent on tour in that production of Hair and the sitcom style feud he apparently had with your mother.
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Teabag Dome Scandal posted:I can't imagine what comes out of that cocoon. Butterfly with an anger problem?
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I was reading one of Lincoln's letters a while ago to find a specific quote of his and he goes off on this whole tirade about John Brown which I thought was amusing:Abe Lincoln posted:John Brown’s effort was peculiar. It was not a slave insurrection. It was an attempt by white men to get up a revolt among slaves, in which the slaves refused to participate. In fact, it was so absurd that the slaves, with all their ignorance, saw plainly enough it could not succeed.
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Well, that looks like a gigantic lawsuit waiting to happen.
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Nov 14, 2018 10:10
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1glitch0 posted:Well, that looks like a gigantic lawsuit waiting to happen. As well as another addition to the veritable industry of products sucking money away from moronic MAGA types. $30 for a bunch of grey blocks, a single base plate, and a Lego man with a face that looks like what would have happened in the real-world version of Face/Off.
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Nov 14, 2018 10:37
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Fulchrum posted:"Losing with PURITY is better than winning" Hey, Fulchrum? Your wing of the Democratic Party handed an unprecedented amount of power over to Trump and the GOP. You are not good at winning, and you should therefore probably not preach about what it takes to win in politics.
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Majorian posted:Hey, Fulchrum? Your wing of the Democratic Party handed an unprecedented amount of power over to Trump and the GOP. You are not good at winning, and you should therefore probably not preach about what it takes to win in politics. Why do you keep posting this when you know you dont have any answer to "then why do you keep losing primaries"? Except for you screaming that the Dems are meany meanpants who do unfair things, like encourage people to vote. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Nov 14, 2018 10:47
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Mustached Demon posted:Fox news vilifies people like Pelosi and Hillary due to sexism. Full stop. That's the only reason. It's the same reason they'll do the same to AOC. Powerful women scare the gently caress out of republicans. The sexism is a tasty flavoring for them, but they'll do it to anyone. They will vilify any prominent democrat. Bill Clinton was a fat white hillbilly-talking guy from Arkansas who loved McDonalds and the right-wingers went after him with everything they had. That's what needs to be recognized and why people like Avenatti are mistaken about needing a white guy to run for president. If Trump changed his affiliation to democrat for 2020 they'd go after him with both barrels. It doesn't matter. There's no appeasing them.
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Nov 14, 2018 10:49
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I feel like the backstory of this post could be made into a movie. My mom had a much more interesting life than me, even if I did move halfway across the world. She felt like Milk was a huge sexist and treated all the women like poo poo. Other famous people that she has commented on in the past: Edward James Olmos: the nicest man in the world Jonathan Banks: great guy! Meatloaf: real shithead
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Nov 14, 2018 10:55
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Fulchrum posted:Why do you keep posting this when you know you dont have any answer to "then why do you keep losing primaries"? Except for you screaming that the Dems are meany meanpants who do unfair things, like let people vote.. Because, as many folks here have explained to you time and time again, the Democratic primary system is one that is very easily influenced by powerful people and institutions. There are structural inequalities and barriers that keep candidates who best-represent the Democratic voting coalition from getting the nomination. The candidates that do get nominated are often not the best-equipped to motivate the base to turn out when they run against Republican pseudo-populists like Trump. If you were at all interested in winning elections, you would be fully behind retooling this thoroughly broken system.
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Nov 14, 2018 10:57
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1glitch0 posted:The sexism is a tasty flavoring for them, but they'll do it to anyone. They will vilify any prominent democrat. Bill Clinton was a fat white hillbilly-talking guy from Arkansas who loved McDonalds and the right-wingers went after him with everything they had. That's what needs to be recognized and why people like Avenatti are mistaken about needing a white guy to run for president. If Trump changed his affiliation to democrat for 2020 they'd go after him with both barrels. It doesn't matter. There's no appeasing them. I'm only talking about why they go after powerful Democratic women. poo poo, they go after Maxine due to both racism and sexism. Saying they'll go after anyone with a -D normalizes that behavior into general political discourse. Don't normalize that poo poo for them.
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Mustached Demon posted:I'm only talking about why they go after powerful Democratic women. poo poo, they go after Maxine due to both racism and sexism. Sexism and racism is obviously very strong in the republican party, I don't disagree with you. They are deep-seated beliefs, but they are also a tool they turn on and off with a flip of a switch. It wasn't that long ago when Sarah Palin was portrayed as the Republican Goddess to save them all. Where was the sexism attacks from the republicans then? While conservatives are inherently sexist and racist, it's just like troop-worship or anything else. They use it when it benefits them and ignore it when it doesn't. I think their sexist and racist attacks are more cynical than you think.
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Had a dream right before waking up where I saw the tweet where Trump fired Mueller. It basically went like "Just hearing from Justice department that they fired Robert Moeller for cause... Oh boy! "
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Majorian posted:Because, as many folks here have explained to you time and time again, the Democratic primary system is one that is very easily influenced by powerful people and institutions. There are structural inequalities and barriers that keep candidates who best-represent the Democratic voting coalition from getting the nomination. The candidates that do get nominated are often not the best-equipped to motivate the base to turn out when they run against Republican pseudo-populists like Trump. If you were at all interested in winning elections, you would be fully behind retooling this thoroughly broken system. Yes, I've read your self indulgent crying and blaming everyone else for your failures. I've also noticed your complete lack of recognizing that these so called insurmountable barriers in the primary are 10 times worse in the general. If you were interested in getting candidates who can beat Republicans, you'd abandon this self indulgent persecution complex and focus on improving leftist candidates so they can win a primary.
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1glitch0 posted:Sexism and racism is obviously very strong in the republican party, I don't disagree with you. They are deep-seated beliefs, but they are also a tool they turn on and off with a flip of a switch. It wasn't that long ago when Sarah Palin was portrayed as the Republican Goddess to save them all. Where was the sexism attacks from the republicans then? While conservatives are inherently sexist and racist, it's just like troop-worship or anything else. They use it when it benefits them and ignore it when it doesn't. I think their sexist and racist attacks are more cynical than you think. I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I've been up all night as usual so I'm bad at explaining things as usual. Don't let those fuckers treat sexism and racism as a tool to attack political opponents. It normalizes that behavior since it then becomes equally as valid of an argument as traditional discourse based on difference of opinion. Call it out. Nothing's better than seeing an old white dude get all huffy puffy because you called them a racist, sexist shitbag.
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It must be a coincidence how often the right wing media starts ramping up the 'old evil dem women, actually money grubbing power vampires?' poo poo and a week later you see a bunch of liberals and leftists tripping over themselves to talk about how terrible they are
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Mustached Demon posted:I'm only talking about why they go after powerful Democratic women. poo poo, they go after Maxine due to both racism and sexism. IMO, I'm inclined to agree with 1glitch0's arguments. Yes, the Republican party likes to appeal to its base's bigotry to get votes, but they absolutely hated Bill Clinton, despite him being kind of the prototypical white Southerner. They deeply hated him because he was an incredibly successful Democratic politician. Answer this question: is the act of launching attack ads/propaganda against a woman politician in and of itself sexist?
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1glitch0 posted:Sexism and racism is obviously very strong in the republican party, I don't disagree with you. They are deep-seated beliefs, but they are also a tool they turn on and off with a flip of a switch. It wasn't that long ago when Sarah Palin was portrayed as the Republican Goddess to save them all. Where was the sexism attacks from the republicans then? While conservatives are inherently sexist and racist, it's just like troop-worship or anything else. They use it when it benefits them and ignore it when it doesn't. I think their sexist and racist attacks are more cynical than you think. Was that really not sexist? Half of the push was an attempt to position her as a sex object, which is pretty loving sexist and goddamn creepy given the Republican base. Just cause it wasnt negative hateful sexism doesn't mean it wasnt sexism. Theres a reason why all these fox news presenters got sexually harassed, even though they didnt have a -d next to their names, because they were still viewed as just sex objects to please dirty old white men, not as equals. They were sure that Kanye would deliver them the black vote, because they thought he was the leader of black people. They were sure women wanted to be protected by Trump from scary caravan men. They can switch off the white hot rage and hate if they think someone will help them, but they either cannot or will not turn off the racism and sexism. Fulchrum fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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GoutPatrol posted:My mom had a much more interesting life than me, even if I did move halfway across the world. She felt like Milk was a huge sexist and treated all the women like poo poo. Your mom sounds rad. A little disappointed to hear Meatloaf is a shithead, but yeah that seems plausible.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It must be a coincidence how often the right wing media starts ramping up the 'old evil dem women, actually money grubbing power vampires?' poo poo and a week later you see a bunch of liberals and leftists tripping over themselves to talk about how terrible they are only fake leftists would hate AOC so far. she's great
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Mustached Demon posted:I don't think you understand what I'm saying. I've been up all night as usual so I'm bad at explaining things as usual. I absolutely agree with you on that.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Your mom sounds rad. A little disappointed to hear Meatloaf is a shithead, but yeah that seems plausible. He strongly supported Romney in 2012. https://youtu.be/Y7nVteJ8_8k
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silence_kit posted:IMO, I'm inclined to agree with 1glitch0's arguments. Yes, the Republican party likes to appeal to its base's bigotry to get votes, but they absolutely hated Bill Clinton, despite him being kind of the prototypical white Southerner. They deeply hated him because he was an incredibly successful Democratic politician. No an attack ad against a woman does not mean it's sexist. Whether or not it's sexist is based on the rhetoric. Like I do not think a lot of the arguments against Pelosi posted here are sexist (not all of them aren't). However, a picture of her looking mean with a gavel in an ad makes it a sexist ad going off the 'angry bitch' angle. You could also look at the other angle: use the same rhetoric on a man and would it have the exact same message? Bonus points with the gavel example because doing it to Obama makes him angry black man.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:It must be a coincidence how often the right wing media starts ramping up the 'old evil dem women, actually money grubbing power vampires?' poo poo and a week later you see a bunch of liberals and leftists tripping over themselves to talk about how terrible they are Eh, right wingers turn Elizabeth Warren into Hillary incarnate whenever she makes headlines, but in here most people just complain that she's too old to be president.
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Mustached Demon posted:You could also look at the other angle: use the same rhetoric on a man and would it have the exact same message? In the 2016 Democratic primary, Hillary liked to dunk on Bernie in attack ads for being an idealist, who doesn't know how to actually get things done. IMO, had Bernie been a woman politician, that type of ad could be seen as sexist, and narratives could be crafted implying sexist motivation behind those series of ads: 'yes, you WOULD question the competence of a woman, bigot'
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The_Donald: county zoopquote:WE AREN'T loving STUPID!!! I want a paper trail, investigation, and recount in every drat county across this country at this point. Also this 
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:The_Donald: county zoop Did that rear end in a top hat just manage to mix up Master Chief and the Doom marine? Also, I'm so shocked Nintendo fans are toxic pieces of garbage. Really, this is my shocked face.
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Fulchrum posted:Did that rear end in a top hat just manage to mix up Master Chief and the Doom marine? Yeah dude that was definitely a Nintendo fan that made that meme jesus gently caress step away from the keyboard
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Have you guys noticed all the Drake fans lately, posting those Drake memes?
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Katt posted:I know I'm just asking if she referenced dril. It is very easy to edit the text of a tweet through the inspect feature in most browsers, screen shot it, and then repost it somewhere so it looks like someone tweeted something they did not. I actually made that exact joke, except it was Matt Bryant tweeting it earlier in the day yesterday.
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So the donald is just openly calling to arms now, seemingly en masse, I know reddit doesn't want to shut it down because TD denizens are truly the craziest of the crazy and they're scared reddit hq will get shot up or whatever, but at what point will they actually be forced to shut it down? Or is it just a massive honeypot?
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:That's a pre-existing meme where they changed the words to a different "punch line" miyamoto made this
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