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shovelbum posted:Do any of you guys have a HI-MD device? I am curious as to how the mass storage/data mode on it works. I see ones that do not have line in, but that do have USB, relatively cheap on eBay because they are essentially totally useless. Wondering if I could cobble an MP3 player onto it, if it actually works as mass storage like I have heard it does. I don't have one, but I did find a pack of 5 Hi-MD discs for $18 at a Sony store a year ago. Sold it for $145 on eBay.
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It really is amazing just how paranoid we were about car and car stereo thieves we were in the 90's. I don't think me or anyone I knew ever had their car stolen, or stripped down to the frame like they would do in movies at that time. The only car stereo I ever knew of getting stolen was the stock radio in the company van 10 years ago (gently caress I'm old). My employer at the time was actually more pissed off that the window got smashed to get to the cheap rear end radio.
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Horace posted:Perhaps slightly more convincing is this: Motherfucker THATs a raspberry pi interface I can get behind.
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Nov 13, 2018 18:00
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My mom's has her car broken into like 3 times in 10 years and every time the only thing stolen was the handicapped parking permit she has for my brother. Including the time when she left her iPhone and purse in the car when she had to run in quickly to pick him up.
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Nov 13, 2018 18:37
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Horace posted:Perhaps slightly more convincing is this: Do new cars still have CD players?
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Nov 13, 2018 18:46
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Article from March of this year detailing that while they're on their way out, they haven't been completely killed off yet.
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evobatman posted:I don't have one, but I did find a pack of 5 Hi-MD discs for $18 at a Sony store a year ago. Sold it for $145 on eBay. Yeah the gigabyte media is insanely expensive now. You can reformat regular MD to hold 340 ish megs though which is a nice touch
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Nov 13, 2018 19:16
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EvilGenius posted:Do new cars still have CD players?
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EvilGenius posted:Do new cars still have CD players? My 2017 VW came with one. The CD player itself is in the glovebox.
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My 2017 Toyota also has a CD player
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I always figured those big steering locks were the same as Those Torches, tiny milsurp shovels and "novelty" bottle openers - they were actually self defence weapons with an ostensible non-violent purpose.
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WescottF1 posted:My 2017 VW came with one. The CD player itself is in the glovebox. That’s funny, because in my old 2008 VW, the aux jack was in the glove box. Very inconvenient for picking music with MP3 players/phones.
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Was there ever minidisks for data? Seemed like that would be another usage for the media.
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MO disks, yeah.
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twistedmentat posted:Was there ever minidisks for data? Seemed like that would be another usage for the media. Yes, there was an early and seldom used 140 I think meg data format that had external drives and some PDAs, then the later HI-MD format (with capacities up to a gig) had data support but it was still separated from the locked down music so you couldn't like drag and drop mp3s but you could use your HI-MD as a flash drive basically. There was also a 650 meg version for camcorders that was only used a few times. LGR has a data minidisc video that breaks it down, the expense and the "data/audio firewall" kind of doomed it
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Volcott posted:MO disks, yeah. Good for storing combat data
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EvilGenius posted:Do new cars still have CD players? I... think my 86 has one? I can honestly say that I've never actually checked, what with the whole Bluetooth audio thing.
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shovelbum posted:Yes, there was an early and seldom used 140 I think meg data format that had external drives and some PDAs, then the later HI-MD format (with capacities up to a gig) had data support but it was still separated from the locked down music so you couldn't like drag and drop mp3s but you could use your HI-MD as a flash drive basically. There was also a 650 meg version for camcorders that was only used a few times. LGR has a data minidisc video that breaks it down, the expense and the "data/audio firewall" kind of doomed it I would have killed for an easy read/write format with that capacity in the early 00s. Removable storage lagged so far behind at that point. Hard drives were in the GBs, and just about any file of any use was too big to fit on a floppy and not worth burning a CD for. Zip drives were around I guess, but I don't think they had quite that capacity.
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Someone once broke into my old Peugeot and only stole the removable front off of the stereo. Didn't steal the stereo itself and didn't steal the CDs that were lying on the passenger seat or the still shrink wrapped DVDs i bought for a gift that day. Still baffled by that....
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EvilGenius posted:I would have killed for an easy read/write format with that capacity in the early 00s. Removable storage lagged so far behind at that point. Hard drives were in the GBs, and just about any file of any use was too big to fit on a floppy and not worth burning a CD for. Zip drives were around I guess, but I don't think they had quite that capacity. Every time MiniDisc comes up in this thread or the Retro tech thread, it pains me a little how Sony mismanaged the format. They could have ruled the removable storage/media player segment so hard for 10-15 years, but they fumbled and I'm sure the record label arm of the company didn't help matters, with their fear of MP3.
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KozmoNaut posted:Every time MiniDisc comes up in this thread or the Retro tech thread, it pains me a little how Sony mismanaged the format. They could have ruled the removable storage/media player segment so hard for 10-15 years, but they fumbled and I'm sure the record label arm of the company didn't help matters, with their fear of MP3. Betamax, Minidisc, UMD, the forty different versions of MemoryStick... Sony doesn't have a good record when it comes to media formats. When Bluray vs HD-DVD was happening I would have put my money on HD-DVD solely because Sony were backing Bluray.
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Sony mismanages everything, not just media formats.
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Sweevo posted:Sony doesn't have a good record when it comes to media formats. Except the pro formats. HDCAM, HDCAM SR and DigiBeta tapes are still around in archival use.
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Iron Crowned posted:It really is amazing just how paranoid we were about car and car stereo thieves we were in the 90's. I don't think me or anyone I knew ever had their car stolen, or stripped down to the frame like they would do in movies at that time. You just had to live in an area or town where there were thieves actively stalking for systems. All of the car audio gear I had in the late 90's came from a guy that did that. He was a pro. His brother worked at a shop that did really high end stereo poo poo. His brother would tell him who just got the latest stuff then he would go steal the car, pillage all the stereo poo poo and I then either burn the car or push it into the river. Going back, this was a lovely thing to do, but I got a ton of awesome gear for next to nothing. He did go to jail for awhile after he raided a rich guys garage though.
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Platystemon posted:Sony mismanages everything, not just media formats. But when it came to HD-DVD, Sony got out-mismanaged by Microsoft, who decided it was too much work to bundle in a HD-DVD player in the X360. Which led to ridiculous problems down the line where games like LA Noire came on four disks.
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EvilGenius posted:I would have killed for an easy read/write format with that capacity in the early 00s. Removable storage lagged so far behind at that point. Hard drives were in the GBs, and just about any file of any use was too big to fit on a floppy and not worth burning a CD for. Zip drives were around I guess, but I don't think they had quite that capacity. Also from Iomega was the Jaz drive which held 1GB or 2GB, with 1GB coming out in 1996: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaz_drive posted:Earlier Jaz drives could overheat, and loading-mechanism jams could leave a disk stuck in the drive. Forcibly ejecting a stuck disk could destroy both drive and disk. Jaz drives are hard-disk technology, making them susceptible to contaminants in the drive; dust and grit could be introduced through a hole in the disk case where the motor drove the platters, and any dust built up on the external case could enter the drive with its next insertion. Additionally, the metal sliding door was capable of wearing the plastic, resulting in debris and head crashes. Sounds great  e: We used them at my work, but not me personally so I don't know what the failure rate was like. I'm glad I just used CD-RWs.
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KozmoNaut posted:Every time MiniDisc comes up in this thread or the Retro tech thread, it pains me a little how Sony mismanaged the format. They could have ruled the removable storage/media player segment so hard for 10-15 years, but they fumbled and I'm sure the record label arm of the company didn't help matters, with their fear of MP3.
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Buttcoin purse posted:e: We used them at my work, but not me personally so I don't know what the failure rate was like. Our failure rate was 50%+ We had a literal shelf full of these as our archive and only copy (back when storage space was expensive) and everyone avoided doing a full check of what worked for fear of having to announce that it was all lost.
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Shai-Hulud posted:Someone once broke into my old Peugeot and only stole the removable front off of the stereo. Didn't steal the stereo itself and didn't steal the CDs that were lying on the passenger seat or the still shrink wrapped DVDs i bought for a gift that day. Still baffled by that.... I suspect that the guy who broke in wasn't the sharpest tool in the shed, and thought the removable front was the whole stereo. That, or he was going for the stereo and heard someone coming so had to run with only the front.
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Grumbletron 4000 posted:Going back, this was a lovely thing to do, but I got a ton of awesome gear for next to nothing. He did go to jail for awhile after he raided a rich guys garage though. It's a pity you didn't too. Go to jail, I mean. edit: inb4 "it's just property, maaaaaan"/"if they could afford high end stereo gear then they could afford to pay for it twice"/something about the lovely US prison system
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Collateral Damage posted:From what I've heard, this is what kept throwing spanners in the works. Sony Corporation would make something that could have become the dominant media format, but then Sony Music and Sony Pictures would force it to be burdened with invasive DRM or limiting functionality because they're deathly afraid of anything that remotely smelled like it could enable piracy. Yeah, Sony's inter-divisional friction is incredible. Back when Singstar was in fashion, it would take their content team longer and be more expensive to license music from Sony BMG/SME than from external publishers, and they had to internally negotiate the license costs individually for every single track rather than do a bulk contract. Power-tripping, feudal middle managers & divisional executives are an institutional cancer.
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Shai-Hulud posted:Someone once broke into my old Peugeot and only stole the removable front off of the stereo. Didn't steal the stereo itself and didn't steal the CDs that were lying on the passenger seat or the still shrink wrapped DVDs i bought for a gift that day. Still baffled by that.... Actually I'm pretty sure this is how it worked for a while. Thieves only store the front panels from car stereos because of some really specific reason I can't recall anymore. It's possible they had fake units they could attach the panels to and then sell them for a decent profit to unsuspecting people. I suppose it could've also been a convenience thing, the removable front panels are light and you can fit a bunch in any bag or even your jacket pockets, but not so much with the full units. Either that or they could get the units for free from somewhere but not the front panels for some reason. Either way, removing the front panel was key since would-be stereo thieves would see it's just the unit itself on there and leave it be.
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I suspect it's spite for when they can't get away with the whole unit because it was properly secured.
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KozmoNaut posted:Every time MiniDisc comes up in this thread or the Retro tech thread, it pains me a little how Sony mismanaged the format. They could have ruled the removable storage/media player segment so hard for 10-15 years, but they fumbled and I'm sure the record label arm of the company didn't help matters, with their fear of MP3. Yeah, to play dragged and dropped mp3s from minidisc you'd basically have to build it into a device that was just using it as a drive
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Collateral Damage posted:From what I've heard, this is what kept throwing spanners in the works. Sony Corporation would make something that could have become the dominant media format, but then Sony Music and Sony Pictures would force it to be burdened with invasive DRM or limiting functionality because they're deathly afraid of anything that remotely smelled like it could enable piracy. Wasn't it Sony that had CDs that installed malware on your computer when you played them?
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Serperoth posted:Wasn't it Sony that had CDs that installed malware on your computer when you played them? Yes, the Sony rootkit.
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That was after they tried a protective ring printed on the bottom of the CD, which could be defeated by drawing over it with a Sharpie.
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To be fair to Sony, there was a time when having an unbeatable music DRM/having the dominant music format that was also unpirateable would have been a license to print money. Companies really wanted a way to stop or crowd out piracy, and would have drowned the first success in money, and by god Sony threw everything at the wall to see what would stick. Apple eventually sidestepped the issue, not by better DRM, but by essentially making music too cheap to pirate.
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EvilGenius posted:I would have killed for an easy read/write format with that capacity in the early 00s. Removable storage lagged so far behind at that point. Hard drives were in the GBs, and just about any file of any use was too big to fit on a floppy and not worth burning a CD for. Zip drives were around I guess, but I don't think they had quite that capacity. I think DVD-RAM had the best support for random access writing but DVD-RW and DVD+RW killed it. I have never touched a bluray because lol optical media.
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