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Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

Krispy Wafer posted:

Fidelity as in the investment/brokerage company? Because my Schwab checking account is great and doesn’t change a monthly fee either. Granted they’re ‘banking’ on me keeping a large balance in a trading accounts. I don’t, so they’re losing money on me, but I guess it works with most of their customers.

Yeah, Fidelity has a checking account (it is technically a brokerage account so you can buy/sell securities with it too, but that isn't its purpose) that sweeps into 5 different banks so you get up to $1.25 million in FDIC insurance. They also reimburse for all ATM fees and provide free checks. It's actually a pretty sweet set up; the only disadvantage is there's no way to deposit paper money directly into the account. There's no minimum deposit, minimum direct deposit, or any maintenance fees.

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StormDrain
May 22, 2003

Thirteen Letter

therobit posted:

Because free checking with no upfront conditions is a loss leader that gets paid for by overdraft fees charged to the poor and financially irresponsible, mostly. Servicing accounts costs money, and that has to come from somewhere. If you have a minimum balance requirement or a direct deposit requirement then this can be offset by other factors, but free checking isn't free. Someone will pay. That's why everyone instituted additional requirements to make your account free after the CARD act passed.

That seems like a fair opinion. I’d prefer the world where accounts have a low cost account and fair costs for infractions. It’s also tough to live in this world without a checking account, so free accounts are a public good so perhaps it should be subsidized by the government.

I also wanted to say I felt like a real zuarg when I got hit by that first fee. It was the same amount he had “budgeted” in his sheet.

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
Please explain how loans and fractional reserve banking are irrelevant to the cost of servicing checking and savings accounts

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

My 75+ yr old grandma signed a contract for a $4000 vacuum cleaner after the salesman stayed in her house for 6+ hours. Any way out of this?

quote:

This is in a Houston, TX suburb, some salesman apparently wouldnt leave her house for at least 6 hours possibly up to 10 and she apparently signed a contract for a $4000 vacuum cleaner to get the dude to leave. Shes slowly losing it mentally and if anything this shows it. She doesn't have nearly the money to pay for this thing and she knows it. Any ways out of this or any info that can possibly help would be nice. Thanks.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Volmarias posted:

Please explain how loans and fractional reserve banking are irrelevant to the cost of servicing checking and savings accounts

Please don't.

THF13
Sep 26, 2007

Keep an adversary in the dark about what you're capable of, and he has to assume the worst.
The newbie personal finance thread is a better place to talk about specifics, but I just wanted to say there are a lot of great online only checking account options that are free and have no really unreasonable fees.

Virigoth
Apr 28, 2009

Corona rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M. get the virus
In the ICU y'all......



THF13 posted:

The newbie personal finance thread is a better place to talk about specifics, but I just wanted to say there are a lot of great online only checking account options that are free and have no really unreasonable fees.

Get the gently caress out of the BWM thread.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

baquerd posted:

I'm sorry you are getting attacked by financially ignorant people.
     /
:qq:

quote:

Obviously, financial institutions need to pay people to work for them to process transactions (and/or write the software to do so), so unless the government subsidizes this entirely in some manner, it's only a question of the details of how the money flows to the bank/credit union. Smart people can evaluate the differences between institutions to their own benefit, while financially illiterate people tend to get hosed over. I don't think we should subsidize financial illiteracy (especially given this is the bad with money thread).

:allears:

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Nice emojis bruh

DrAlexanderTobacco
Jun 11, 2012

Help me find my true dharma
Sister has put down $2,000 down on a $4,000 horse, seller cancels the contract and will only give her $800 back. Is there anything she can do?

quote:

Firstly, let me give you some background information on the issue. My sister decided a couple months ago that she wanted to buy a horse. The barn that she goes to semi-regularly had a horse up for sale. I believe the horse was $4,000. My sister doesn't have that kind of savings lying around,so she entered into a contract with the barn owner to purchase the horse. To my knowledge this is what the terms of the contract were. She would make $400 monthly payments on the horse as well as for the boarding of the horse at the barn.

As of today she had $2,000 down on the horse and the owner contacted her telling her that the sale was being terminated. She was told that she would be reimbursed for the $800 that she supposedly put down on the horse. The owner choose to keep $1,200 as payment for boarding the horse. In addition, why do you need to pay for boarding for a horse you don't own technically and was already residing at the barn? The other portion would not be refunded as the owner claimed that that was for boarding the horse. In the contract that my sister signed it was stated that she would pay $400 a month till the horse is paid off. There was no specific value for boarding, the payment in the contract was $400 flat.

These are some of the issues I seem to have with this situation. Firstly, my sister did not receive the contract or a bill of sales for the animal. Secondly, there was no mention the price of boarding per month she just choose that number($1,200) arbitrarily. Thirdly, and this brings me to my original question did owner of the horse violate the contract when she terminated it without just cause voiding the contract therefore my sister should be entitled to the full amount($2,000) she paid her?

Thank you guys for your replies this is the most info I could relay as I'm in college and not home with her and the fam. I felt like I just had to do something cause this whole situation feels like my sister is being taken advantage of.

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

i do love how this thread provides me with constant fuel for my activist fire and my :thermidor: list

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi

First reply in that thread:

quote:

Not a lawyer, but a horse person....

You shouldn't ever purchase a horse on credit (and I say that as someone who purchased a horse using a personal loan, and paid off that loan far longer than I had the horse, unfortunately).

Residency Evil
Jul 28, 2003

4/5 godo... Schumi
Oh god, one of the nurses in my department just came to me excited about the new Lexus she's going to lease. I started to gently ask questions about her driving habits and lease and found out:

1. She drives 20k miles per year and plans on holding on to the car for 7 years
2. Her dealership has convinced her to think about "multiple security deposits."

:ohdear:

Residency Evil fucked around with this message at 14:12 on Nov 14, 2018

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Yet another person with a bunch of credit card debt that is worried about their credit video game score

Credit card debt ; score

quote:

Long story short. I am in about $17,500 in credit card debt across two cards, chase freedom and capital one venture and have been for about 6 months. I am a college student and am graduating in a little less than a year and expect a 45-60k entry level salary. I except to have paid about 4-8k by the time i graduate, so i will have about $10-13k in credit card debt for 1 year 6 months. I expect to then pay the $10-13k within a few months after graduation so a grand total of a little less than 2 years. My score before i racked the debt up was hovering around 750 and has since dropped to 550. My question is, by the time i pay all the credit card debt off, will my score eventually rise back up to around 750, or will it not be as good because of the fact i had $10k+ credit card debt for 2 years?

BUG JUG
Feb 17, 2005



baquerd posted:

Kudos to this guy for his effort. I really need to figure out how best to legally funnel income to the kids for maximum tax avoidance.

14k from each parent deposited on their birthday directly into a trust they can't touch until they're 30. Then pray the R's raise the lifetime giving cap on the estate tax (but if you're bumping into that you're looking at trying to transfer ~10M+ to a child and should be getting a visit from Dr. Guillotine)

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




It's Madame Guillotine, haven't you ever seen the musical of the Scarlet Pimpernel??

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

BUG JUG posted:

14k from each parent deposited on their birthday directly into a trust they can't touch until they're 30. Then pray the R's raise the lifetime giving cap on the estate tax (but if you're bumping into that you're looking at trying to transfer ~10M+ to a child and should be getting a visit from Dr. Guillotine)

I think creating a 503c3, transferring highly appreciated assets to it for a deduction, and getting the kids earned income through a job at the charity to dodge the kiddie tax will be more fruitful, with the added benefit of actually doing some charity.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

Residency Evil posted:

Oh god, one of the nurses in my department just came to me excited about the new Lexus she's going to lease. I started to gently ask questions about her driving habits and lease and found out:

1. She drives 20k miles per year and plans on holding on to the car for 7 years
2. Her dealership has convinced her to think about "multiple security deposits."

:ohdear:

1. Terrible
2. Possibly GWM assuming you have cleared the hurdle of leasing a luxury vehicle as at least okay with money, at least with BMW financial services multiple security deposits serve as surety for the lease payments, reduce the money factor of the lease contract substantially and are not part of the principal on the vehicle. In other words if the vehicle is a total loss for any reason and you are current on your payments, the security deposits are returned to you as opposed to a large down payment which is typically lost due to depreciation.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

silvergoose posted:

It's Madame Guillotine, haven't you ever seen the musical of the Scarlet Pimpernel??

She went back to med school, where she became a very efficient neck surgeon. And she did so in commie pinko socialist France so she doesn't have tons of student loan debt which is GWM.

She only does the one procedure.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




CannonFodder posted:

She went back to med school, where she became a very efficient neck surgeon. And she did so in commie pinko socialist France so she doesn't have tons of student loan debt which is GWM.

She only does the one procedure.

:gritin:

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

Is buying gold a good way to store savings

quote:

So with some economists predicting a big recession and dollar crisis in 2020, I was thinking of buying gold with my savings. My thought process was, if I just save let’s say 10,000, and then the economy crashes and the value of the dollar drops for simple maths sake, by half, then the value of my 10k is now 5k. Now, at that same time, gold has pretty consistently retained its value and continues to increase in value over the years, so if I buy 10k In gold and the value of the dollar drops, will I retain the 10k value when I decide to cash in? I don’t know if any of this even makes sense but I plan on still talking to a PFM but I was wondering what you all thought.

EDIT- at the people downvoting all my follow up questions- isn’t the point of the sub to ask questions and learn? Get a life.
"What if the value of the US dollar gets cut in half?????????????????????????????????????????????????"

lovely tuna snatch
Feb 10, 2010

Which one of you is this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/9x2mw0/i_wanna_live_aboard_a_small_boat_with_my_wife/

quote:

so, my wife and I want to buy a 40 to 55 foot live aboard ocean fairing vessel "used ones run between 6000 for poo poo tier boats, and 75 thousand, which is about the top end of our budget, we would park it on a coastal marina in the region we live in, sell off ALL of our poo poo, and then spend the next two years working and taking classes on ships and engine work until we were ready to sail it elsewhere.

so I know its not a super bright idea, but we are smart recourseful people who can be ok with such a minimal lifestyle.

what do you guys think?


I would not ask but it's clearly a setup with the second comment being:

quote:

What you want is a house boat then.

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer

Hoodwinker posted:

EDIT- at the people downvoting all my follow up questions- isn’t the point of the sub to ask questions and learn? Get a life.

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

They should just rename /r/personalfinance to /r/validatemyterriblechoices

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ibP5IQxId34

Selling your poo poo and sailing the world is extremely GWL until it isn’t.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

lovely tuna snatch posted:

Which one of you is this?

This line is my favorite.

quote:

so I know its not a super bright idea, but we are smart recourseful people

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



Recourseful people are the best kind of people to make bad financial choices imo.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
If you're a self-described smart person, then it's okay to do a dumb thing, because it becomes a thing a smart person did, and therefore smart

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

If you're a self-described smart person, then it's okay to do a dumb thing, because it becomes a thing a smart person did, and therefore smart
Thanks. I now understand your posting style.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Lol, I'm legit dumb as hell, that's no secret.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Hoodwinker posted:

Is buying gold a good way to store savings

"What if the value of the US dollar gets cut in half?????????????????????????????????????????????????"

is the answer that our economy collapses and gold become worthless anyway, i feel like thats the answer

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal
Is buying horse a good way to store savings? If the value of the dollar gets cut in half I can buy twice as many horses then, right?

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

If you're a self-described smart person, then it's okay to do a dumb thing, because it becomes a thing a smart person did, and therefore smart

Dik Hz posted:

Thanks. I now understand your posting style.

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

Lol, I'm legit dumb as hell, that's no secret.

God bless you both.

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog

Elephanthead posted:

Is buying horse a good way to store savings? If the value of the dollar gets cut in half I can buy twice as many horses then, right?

A horse is a stable asset

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Fastest way to get a credit card?

quote:

I recently made the foolish decision to buy a Subaru Wrx. I was pleased with it and had no problem paying for it and the insurance. Until I recently burned the clutch and ignored the check engine light for for a few weeks. I haven’t driven in 2 months but that’s fine because I usually get picked up for work and stores are at walkable distances. Anyways I got a trailer and help to take it to the dealership which is 80 miles away in the city. First they forgot I made an appointment but it didn’t mean much. I just had to make a new for today.
The dealer called me to tell me what they found during the complimentary inspection. It would have all been covered by my warranty except the clutch , which was $1800!!. He also told me that my warranty wasn’t found and he couldn’t actually work on anything that the warranty covered unless I wanted to pay for it myself. It was this morning when he called and I told him I couldn’t afford that right now and he should put off work on my car until I figured out what was happening with my warranty because I’m not ready to payout so much, that would leave me without means for rent or food. Now I’m off work and got another call from the dealership mechanic telling me that he has fixed the check engine light (Evap clog) and replaced the clutch. I was and still am confused because I know we had the conversation that I didn’t want work done because I’m poor basically. I didn’t want to argue or say anything because he made it clear it was good to go except for routine warranty coverage. I didn’t mention it and asked for the total. I can now pick up my car and a bill for $2400! He also said they don’t take payments.

I want to know how and what I need to apply for a credit card or loan to pay something like this off. Is there a red flag here? Can I get a good card with little credit and still payout a large amount. I fear I’ll have a limit and my car with be held hostage until I can come up with a payment.

Located in Oregon if it matters.

Oops.

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Here’s another. This kid is going to have to grow up real fast:

College Senior, credit score in the 400s. Where to begin?

quote:

I am kind of a noob when it comes to credit and I am at a bit of a loss on how to remedy my situation. I have about 130k in student loans and one of those loans has been in repayment for the last year or so. The deal I made with my parents is that they would pay it off until I graduate (May 2019) and then I would take it over. However, after downloading Credit Karma I see that they have been struggling to pay on time. They did not tell me because I think they are embarrassed and also feel that kids dont belong in finances. Since around July, they have been reassuring me they will pay on time but I don't believe them and they have been late again. My mom is losing her job this month and my biological father stopped helping last year(hence the late payments). I dont want to seem like woe is me because people are dealing with far far worse but I just want you to understand the situation. I have enough saved to pay off the loan until I graduate(although my savings will take a pretty big hit). I also have a job lined up for post grad where I will be able to pay the loan on time. Given all this information, how should I proceed to fix my score? Are there any credit cards that will accept me? Also, how can I make sure that this does not affect renting an apartment in NYC post graduation? I'd like to know things I can do on my own that don't affect my parents because I do not want to add any more stress.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

GoGoGadgetChris posted:

A horse is a stable asset


Not if it's made in the spur of the moment.

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

This post from the altcoin thread is BWM thread worthy:

oliveoil posted:

When the crypto market is tanking like today, it's a good time to keep a cool head and look for opportunities. They say that you should buy when the blood is in the streets, even when it's your own and I try to live up to that.

I see an opportunity in Banyan Network. It's a Data Fusion Data Value Network and its coin is used to buy clean data for data value. While I'm not completely sure what that means, the price is less than a penny like Bitcoin used to be, so I'm going to spend my whole budget on it this month and eat ramen noodles. I will fall behind on child support this month, but my kids will thank me one day.
I've seen this poster in the past and I'm about 80% sure it's a serious post.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Mounted police are getting less popular due to budget concerns, and I can see why. Imagine what it takes to get a typical horse to pass this test:

https://gfycat.com/joyfulblaringarcticfox

I'd expect a typical horse to panic, break a leg, and die from just the pool noodles.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Hoodwinker posted:

This post from the altcoin thread is BWM thread worthy:

I've seen this poster in the past and I'm about 80% sure it's a serious post.

At first I thought he'd made out like a bandit.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/banyan-network/

Then I noticed where the decimal point was.

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Gabriel Grub
Dec 18, 2004

Inept posted:

$5

Hire 2 year old daughter to put $$ into an IRA for her


Yep $2k for a photo of your kid on your website screams necessary and reasonable to the IRS

This kind of thing is really common. $2000 a year to use someone's image is not outrageous and nepotism is not illegal.

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