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Condiv posted:i have never once said "hand the seat to McSally". the very first thing i have posted in this thread wrt sinema is that her behavior is reprehensible and should not be tolerable in the dem party You know, you've made that point a dozen times already, each time using the same single event as evidence and never adding anything new to each reply. You could at least lay out a better case to support your point instead of repeating the same terse post endlessly. You know, to add actual content to the loving thread.
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SocketWrench posted:Fire back "why is Donald afraid of his original name Drumpf" Why not just ignore it and let them scream into the abyss? I don't think any logic will get through to them.
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"We rigged it too well for you to fix even if you tried to cheat us back."
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:If Nazis were to come in vogue in Georgia, the current argument is we shouldn't fault someone with a D next to their name if they vote for a measure to kill the Jews because the other option was to not kill them and they might lose the election I think the option here was vote for the one advocating killing the jews over the one advocating killing everyone. Yeah, it's a poo poo choice, but one is clearly worse than the other (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Edit: To clarify this is not my stance, nor was it supposed to be. But hey, racist nazi gently caress whatever. SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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Nov 14, 2018 16:05
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VH4Ever posted:I'm not even as old as some others ITT but I have a decade on you thus have seen these people for 10 more years and yeah, it's not for nothing that I wish the Dems could do better than having Hoyer and Pelosi at the top of House leadership but, well, here we are. It's not for no reason that they get called out for being incrementalist centrists. I only started getting involved in Politics in...I think it was 2012 so I have a lot to catch up on as I shake off my millennial apathetic malaise. I am super happy with the Bench we are building in Virginia and I think we could be sending a good crop of lefties to Congress in the coming years. I should probably start paying more attention to my neighbor up north though.
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SocketWrench posted:I think the option here was vote for the one advocating killing the jews over the one advocating killing everyone. lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Direct quote from Rubio's PlentyOfFish profile. edit: no tax on this page yet????? https://i.imgur.com/cTX8M3N.mp4 The Sean fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Nov 14, 2018 16:07
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mcmagic posted:I completely agree with you. She's reprehensible. And she's going to be neck and neck with Manchin for the worst dem in the Senate but I don't know how giving McSally that seat would've resulted in more of a net positive for the things I want to have happen. Stop thinking short-term. It's a long-term net gain, because it shows the party that you're not a bunch of rubes who can be corraled into the voting booth for whatever turd they nominate. It shows them that they have to have SOMETHING to offer you and not just "well we're better than the other guy" which is a bar so low it's functionally on the ground.
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Good job, everyone! I'm sure Chuck Schumer will be incredibly effective. Looking forward to the next two years, let's get at 'em!
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VitalSigns posted:He voted for the Iraq War. As I sat in the lunch room at the military college I attended, someone asked "what do you think about this Iraq war talk?" My no-poo poo response was, "I don't think anything is going to come of it. He's living up to the obligations of the desert storm treaty, we can't prove he's making these weapons, and Iraq is a secular stabilizing force in the region" less than a month later, the doctored intelligence reports convinced the American people that invading Iraq was imperative to Middle East peace. ~gently caress~ anyone who voted to authorize the Iraq War.
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SocketWrench posted:Fire back "why is Donald afraid of his original name Drumpf" No. I like looking at the poop, but touching it usually makes me nauseous and angry.
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Fans posted:A candidate doesn’t have to be perfect to support them. Demanding you can only support someone if they’re perfect on all things is a really silly stance to take, nobody has perfect politics (except me of course) I like that the implication of this post is that not supporting the organization placing children into concentration camps is perfection.
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theCalamity posted:I like that the implication of this post is that not supporting the organization placing children into concentration camps is perfection. I've never seen anyone who's been conditioned to lower their standards so much as liberals have except maybe people who still enjoy 3D Sonic games.
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Nov 14, 2018 16:16
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hi folks stop posting like dogshit unless you want to eat nutraloaf; thanks now if you'll excuse me I have to go pick up LK from his catjail stint
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VH4Ever posted:You know, you've made that point a dozen times already, each time using the same single event as evidence and never adding anything new to each reply. You could at least lay out a better case to support your point instead of repeating the same terse post endlessly. You know, to add actual content to the loving thread. the argument in question is more about what is and isn't tolerable in the dem party, which is subjective. i'm not sure what evidence you think I should post to back up that supporting ICE in the middle of them ripping away kids from their family is bad and shouldn't be tolerated in the dem party
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SocketWrench posted:I think the option here was vote for the one advocating killing the jews over the one advocating killing everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ_ViQxKYL4 ? Also, wow, you are terrible. Petr posted:Short-term is all we have left because of accelerationists like you. Accelerationists have literally never been a factor worth even bothering to blame.
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Nov 14, 2018 16:20
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Condiv posted:the argument in question is more about what is and isn't tolerable in the dem party, which is subjective. i'm not sure what evidence you think I should post to back up that supporting ICE in the middle of them ripping away kids from their family is bad and shouldn't be tolerated in the dem party I'm just imploring you to stop posting the same thing over and over. WE GET IT. ICE BAD. Good lord. Make a new point already or STFU. I'm not even disagreeing, just saying the repeat thing gets old fast.
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y'all this has been explained so many times and is so super not hard that clearly certain people are just choosing not to get it so they can keep impotently raging against ~the system~ you vote for the best person who is an option at each stage of the election - vote for a leftist in the Democratic primary, vote for the Democrat in the general unless the Republican is somehow better for those of you saying Sinema should be kicked out of the democratic party or whatever the gently caress, what does that actually mean in terms of concrete action? don't vote for her in the primary? sure, ok, who is arguing against that? don't vote for her in the general? OK, make a case that McSally was better and I'll hear you out something else? ok, explain what that is because the rest of us can't read your addled mind if you're just saying we should be mad at her forever and not vote for anyone then sorry, some of us have better things to do can we please stop endlessly rehashing how you should act in a winner-takes-all election to try to achieve your goals? it's so loving basic and so loving boring and we just finished the last election so if this is all you're going to have through 2020 just do the rest of us a favor and chuck your computer into a river apologies, rant over, back to lurking
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VH4Ever posted:I'm just imploring you to stop posting the same thing over and over. WE GET IT. ICE BAD. Good lord. Make a new point already or STFU. I'm not even disagreeing, just saying the repeat thing gets old fast. this is the first time i posted it in this thread. the other thing I posted about was her supporting trump's wall and extra funding for "border security" and that was a few days ago Eletriarnation posted:y'all this has been explained so many times and is so super not hard that clearly certain people are just choosing not to get it so they can keep impotently raging against ~the system~ i never actually posted anything like she should be kicked out of the democratic party. a big part of that is cause she can't, and we're stuck with her for 6 years
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What does a Democrat have to do to be not worthy of defending? Shoot someone on fifth avenue in broad daylight? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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SocketWrench posted:I think the option here was vote for the one advocating killing the jews over the one advocating killing everyone. The whole point of that excercise is to get you thinking of ways to work outside the two options so you don't have to make that choice You are so limited in your imagination you'd vote for a nazi. What the gently caress is wrong with liberals
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Ah, we are back to nebulous "liberals succ-zone" again. On topic, does the White House have any legal defense about Whitaker beyond "Nuh uh, it's totes legal!"?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Accelerationists have literally never been a factor worth even bothering to blame. Actually a huge part of Trump’s infrequent voter appeal is to the “yeah he’ll nuke everything but it’s tine to shake things up” people as you can hear in any Denny’s across this great land.
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Condiv posted:the argument in question is more about what is and isn't tolerable in the dem party, which is subjective. i'm not sure what evidence you think I should post to back up that supporting ICE in the middle of them ripping away kids from their family is bad and shouldn't be tolerated in the dem party Abolishing ICE is a good thing that has like wet fart support nationally and polls at less than 17% in arizona. There are certain issues that are morally correct but are systemic problems with the constituency that you can't just boycott ever winning an election again over when you are picking your battles. "Abolish ICE" is extraordinarily unpopular with the voters that were to vote for her. That means voters bad, arizona bad, america bad, but it would have been a weird strategy to pick that to be the hill she dies on as opposed to something she could swing things on.
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TulliusCicero posted:Ah, we are back to nebulous "liberals succ-zone" again. their defenses are 1) an acting attorney general w/o senate confirmation was appointed in 1866 and served for 6 days 2) some other positions have been appointed without senate confirmation too 3) a 1903 precedent says we can temporarily appoint someone without senate confirmation to an ambassadorship when that ambassador became deathly ill (but the problem is it was 1903, there were no other confirmed people in the building, and you had to spend weeks on a boat to get to thailand)
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SocketWrench posted:I think the option here was vote for the one advocating killing the jews over the one advocating killing everyone. it is one of the perennially fascinating quirks of liberal psychology. these people think of themselves as pragmatic, intelligent, technocratic operators. people who understand the Unwritten Rules, and by virtue of comprehension of those rules the rightfully born rulers of their people. and these people really wonder why it is they lose to fascists, when they can come up with a sales pitch as perfectly targeted as "we'll genocide slightly fewer untermenschen than the other guy." (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Abolishing ICE is a good thing that has like wet fart support nationally and polls at less than 17% in arizona. There are certain issues that are morally correct but are systemic problems with the constituency that you can't just boycott ever winning an election again over when you are picking your battles. "Abolish ICE" is extraordinarily unpopular with the voters that were to vote for her. That means voters bad, arizona bad, america bad, but it would have been a weird strategy to pick that to be the hill she dies on as opposed to something she could swing things on. it wasn't a resolution to abolish ice. she voted for a resolution supporting ICE in the midst of them ripping kids away from their families. i expect a democrat to both care about immigrants enough and have half a backbone to reject such a resolution in the midst of the atrocities ICE was committing
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it is one of the perennially fascinating quirks of liberal psychology. these people think of themselves as pragmatic, intelligent, technocratic operators. people who understand the Unwritten Rules, and by virtue of comprehension of those rules the rightfully born rulers of their people. your title is apt and this is smug holier-than-thou bullshit that will never convince anyone of anything they don't already believe; you should probably consider throwing your computer into a river
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:it is one of the perennially fascinating quirks of liberal psychology. these people think of themselves as pragmatic, intelligent, technocratic operators. people who understand the Unwritten Rules, and by virtue of comprehension of those rules the rightfully born rulers of their people. Sinema won her election, and the vote that this conversation is centered around was completely inconsequential.
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Exactly. Pose them very specific questions on his claims and make them prove them. Don't let them tap dance around it or deflect or change the subject.
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skylined! posted:Sinema won her election, and the vote that this conversation is centered around was completely inconsequential. i disagree that normalizing fascism is inconsequential. however, if we're gonna claim that it was inconsequential, then it's even less defensible that she voted in favor of the resolution instead following the example of two other democratic representatives from arizona, Raúl Grijalva and Ruben Gallego
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Abolishing ICE is a good thing that has like wet fart support nationally and polls at less than 17% in arizona. There are certain issues that are morally correct but are systemic problems with the constituency that you can't just boycott ever winning an election again over when you are picking your battles. "Abolish ICE" is extraordinarily unpopular with the voters that were to vote for her. That means voters bad, arizona bad, america bad, but it would have been a weird strategy to pick that to be the hill she dies on as opposed to something she could swing things on. I'm just going to throw this out there but maybe trying to carry water and apologize for someone who went out of their way to publicly support child concentration camps is a bad thing and you shouldn't ever do it. Because it makes you sound like an amoral sociopath who doesn't understand basic human empathy, and not some sort of pragmatist who can make the hard decisions. What Sinema did is absolutely inexcusable and I don't give a single goddamn what utility her vote might bring- she supports child concentration camps. Or perhaps worse, she's willing to support child concentration camps when she thinks it furthers our own political Ambitions. In either case she is a monster; and in the fight against fascism an ally like her is significantly worse than an honest enemy.
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