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Groovelord Neato posted:lol steve bannon is so loving dumb. I'm so glad Oxford Union is platforming him. These dogs are listening: 
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broke: abolish ice woke: abolish the department of homeland security Ague Proof posted:I'm so glad Oxford Union is platforming him. they had loving dave rubin.
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Prester Jane posted:You are a sociopath and the cause of fighting fascism would be well-served if you left our side entirely. You don't understand anything about humanity and you cannot grasp the concept that there are moral lines that should never be crossed. Yeah sure let's compaction cycle the opposition to the Fash to the point where everyone but what ever tiny core of ideological purists are left after your purging can fit into a single stadium, that sure seems effective. Hint it wasn't ideological purity and good arguments that stopped them before it was a massive coalition of imperfect people who managed to agree that the Fascists had to go and then proceeded to fight a world loving war that devastated the majority of the industrial world and had two cities wiped off the map in nuclear fire. Also ICE bad as they are, are not who's responsible for the Child Separation policy that responsibility and rests squarely at the feet of the Orange monster in the White House and his Republican enablers. Anything that results in less power for them is a loving win.
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Party Plane Jones posted:every day i yell into the void 'stop posting like poo poo' and every day i look into this thread in horror like it's a bathroom at a jack-in-the-box after an e.coli outbreak Careful PPJ, those who gaze into the shitposting abyss must beware lest the shitposting gaze back into them.
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Mineaiki posted:Guys maybe just most of the powerful people in a corrupt and morally vapid system are inevitably bad people, and we should cherish the few good people we have. Yeah, most decent people refuse to kiss the requisite amount of rear end to be elected to Congress. This isn’t an “lol politicians” thing either; it really comes down to “lol our society.”
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eke out posted:PJ, although you were in the thread with me, I understand if you forgot us all extensively posting about them doing the nazi number - suffice to say, we did back when it was in the news. For what it's worth I also remember that discussion so: witnessed!
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Groovelord Neato posted:broke: abolish ice This is unironically the better position to take. DHS is a post-9/11 invention and there's no reason for it to exist: break it up, keep the necessary bits, end the horrifically corrupt and evil ones.
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VH4Ever posted:You guys keep overcomplicating this and it strikes me that I might be older than the lot of you and that might be why this historical confusion/myopia annoys me so much. Want a good starting point that's concrete as hell? Start with undoing all the post-9/11 changes to how we do immigration and customs stuff. Go from there. You're welcome. I know the history of ICE. But you're not going to get support to roll back to pre-9/11 and any bill to actually abolish ICE that could actually pass would look like what I stated. Not saying that's the ideal, but it's what would happen and if you tried to bring it up after that everyone would claim that ICE was totally abolished already didn't you hear?
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If/When Mueller is fired he will argue that legislation is unnecessary because the need for it has already passed.
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Skex posted:Yeah sure let's compaction cycle the opposition to the Fash to the point where everyone but what ever tiny core of ideological purists are left after your purging can fit into a single stadium, that sure seems effective. Weird those people didn't do it by voting for pro-SS resolutions in congress? Well I never!
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Shifty Pony posted:If/When Mueller is fired he will argue that legislation is unnecessary because the need for it has already passed. He'll write an op-ed demanding to know why the Democrats didn't do anything to protect Mueller.
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Shifty Pony posted:If/When Mueller is fired he will argue that legislation is unnecessary because the need for it has already passed. Flawless positioning for a strongly-worded letter after Mueller is fired.
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Rigel posted:Like I said, if you think the arbitrary acronym is poisoned and you want to go ICE has been awful since well before Trump. Them deliberately deporting victims of human trafficking other government agencies had found and had scheduled to testify against their traffickers, ruining the cases and perpetuating the problem they're supposedly trying to stop, was a recurring thing back when Obama was in office. This is not a matter of just changing their name. They're corrupt and racist throughout and have been for years. Trump just removed what few restraints they had and gave them the go-ahead to get really creative with their awfulness. Uproot the whole loving thing, and make sure none of the people working there ever get close to a legal, political, or law enforcement position again. (Yes, I know that isn't going to happen easily, if at all, before more posts to that effect are made. My overall rhetorical point here is gently caress ICE and gently caress Rigel here too if the support for ICE's bullshit and excusing their ongoing crimes against humanity is going to continue.) Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I know the history of ICE. But you're not going to get support to roll back to pre-9/11 and any bill to actually abolish ICE that could actually pass would look like what I stated. Not saying that's the ideal, but it's what would happen and if you tried to bring it up after that everyone would claim that ICE was totally abolished already didn't you hear? Yeah I don't think I'm backing an inch off of my idea, no matter how impossible it is to implement legislatively. I think fighting for DHS itself to basically be hosed back off to its pre-9/11 non-existence would be a good starting point too. I bristle anytime people act like those changes are above any sort of review and reconsideration after the fact and I hope you're not doing that. Wasn't that long ago that Bush was being dragged in the news for ICE's misdeeds, nowadays people think Trump created all this poo poo. Roland Jones posted:ICE has been awful since well before Trump. Them deliberately deporting victims of human trafficking other government agencies had found and had scheduled to testify against their traffickers, ruining the cases and perpetuating the problem they're supposedly trying to stop, was a recurring thing back when Obama was in office. Right. This is why I hated when Hillary-type liberals "expressed concern" but said Obama's awful possible powers with ICE and under DHS were fine because he's a good guy that won't use his powers for evil. Now here we are. VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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eke out posted:PJ, although you were in the thread with me, I understand if you forgot us all extensively posting about them doing the nazi number - suffice to say, we did back when it was in the news. Yeah I'm just going to flatly state that about 10 years down the line we're going to find out that a huge portion of those children that they lost track of were not placed with parents or foster families but wound up in the hands of human traffickers and/or shallow graves. And it's ICE that is physically bringing the kids to the camps, that makes them responsible for the atrocity in my book. Yes it is HHS managing the camps but it is ICE that is putting the children in the camps. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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eke out posted:This is unironically the better position to take. DHS is a post-9/11 invention and there's no reason for it to exist: break it up, keep the necessary bits, end the horrifically corrupt and evil ones. But that will mean I can't scoff at all the casuals taking their shoes off as I breeze through the Precheck line at the airport 
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Party Plane Jones posted:every day i yell into the void 'stop posting like poo poo' and every day i look into this thread in horror like it's a bathroom at a jack-in-the-box after an e.coli outbreak Sorry. I contributed shittyness to the thread, and I should have backed off.
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Prester Jane posted:Yeah I'm just going to flatly state that about 10 years down the line we're going to find out that a huge portion of those children that they lost track of we're not placed with parents or coster families but wound up in the hands of human traffickers and/or shallow graves. Sorry but it's Customs and Border Protection bringing the kids to the camps. ICE doesn't control the border, they're responsible for domestic immigration enforcement. The reason ICE is particularly bad is that it's camping outside of churches, and courthouses, and raiding businesses, and doing all kinds of terrible things to apprehend adults that're just trying to live here. Here's a helpful explainer about which terrible agency is doing which terrible things.
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Condiv posted:the right answer is what her peers in arizona did. they voted present, and against the resolution. this isn't hard I mean the right answer now that she did the thing.
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eke out posted:Sorry but it's Customs and Border Protection bringing the kids to the camps. Perhaps it is the entire US government that is bad. Hard to believe, I know.
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I can't think of a woman that might be more hated and reviled by millenials and Gen Zs as Laura Ingraham. Attack AOC Laura; keep loving with them. 
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Perhaps it is the entire US government that is bad. Yeah, it's seriously a multi-agency effort - particularly HHS, DHS, and DOJ - and all are being tainted by it and need tremendous reform. "Abolish ICE" is catchy but the risk, as demonstrated here, is people unfamiliar with how these things work might think that that would be sufficient to, for instance, stop children from being torn from their mothers' breasts at the border. You need huge reforms to CBP, the Office of Refugee Resettlement (and probably other elements of HHS, but i'm much less familiar with that agency), and the Executive Office for Immigration Review (that manages all adjudications and employs all immigration judges) as well, at bare minimum.
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Party Plane Jones posted:every day i yell into the void 'stop posting like poo poo' and every day i look into this thread in horror like it's a bathroom at a jack-in-the-box after an e.coli outbreak quote:Hazmat Officer: Well, here she is. They left her under an overpass for the night. edit: quote:Dirty Mike: How you fellas doin'? We about to have us a little screw party in this red Prius over here if you wanna join us. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Nov 14, 2018 |
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Rigel posted:I wasn't intimately familiar with the issues debated in the AZ Senate race, but a quick google search seems to firmly suggest that you are wrong about Sinema wrt child concentration camps. She's not even in favor of holding families for very long prior to their immigration hearing. Saying we should not abolish ICE != "family separation is a good idea". Its not like ICE went rogue, Trump ordered it. I'm sure they apologized profusely and dropped the subject altogether when Sinema then backed ICE.
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ice are the ones that grab a guy who's been here 40 years, has four american kids, runs a successful business, and deport him for jaywalking in 1986.
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Rigel posted:I wasn't intimately familiar with the issues debated in the AZ Senate race, but a quick google search seems to firmly suggest that you are wrong about Sinema wrt child concentration camps. She's not even in favor of holding families for very long prior to their immigration hearing. Saying we should not abolish ICE != "family separation is a good idea". Its not like ICE went rogue, Trump ordered it. Nuance? I never thought I'd see the day. No, clearly she's a nazi sociopath that wants to jail children and must be expelled from the democratic party.
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There has been a notable uptick of thinkpieces about how badly McConnell has hosed up our government as of late. Makes you wonder how history will consider his legacy. It feels like there is a very good chance he’ll be (arguably deservedly) vilified more than Trump. I mean, both are heinous shitbags, but McConnell’s competency puts him ahead of Trump in terms of destructiveness to the institution, in my book.
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Fart City posted:There has been a notable uptick of thinkpieces about how badly McConnell has hosed up our government as of late. Makes you wonder how history will consider his legacy. It feels like there is a very good chance he’ll be (arguably deservedly) vilified more than Trump. I mean, both are heinous shitbags, but McConnell’s competency puts him ahead of Trump in terms of destructiveness to the institution, in my book. God willing McConnell is seen as a modern day John C. Calhoun who was a traitor to the Republic.
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Groovelord Neato posted:ice are the ones that grab a guy who's been here 40 years, has four american kids, runs a successful business, and deport him for jaywalking in 1986. yeah exactly, ICE are the ones that say that because you got caught with a gram of weed when you were 16, a "crime of moral turpitude," you're subject to mandatory detention for the entire time it takes before the hearing about whether you should be deported, and are ineligible to get out with a bond.
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Rigel posted:I wasn't intimately familiar with the issues debated in the AZ Senate race, but a quick google search seems to firmly suggest that you are wrong about Sinema wrt child concentration camps. She's not even in favor of holding families for very long prior to their immigration hearing. Saying we should not abolish ICE != "family separation is a good idea". Its not like ICE went rogue, Trump ordered it. This post is very misleading. Even Trump himself and his most vile enablers pay lip service to not wanting to kidnap kids and keep them in dog cages while supporting policies that result with kids in cages. Not calling for the abolishment of ICE is a tacit endorsement of their brown shirt tactics.
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Fart City posted:There has been a notable uptick of thinkpieces about how badly McConnell has hosed up our government as of late. Makes you wonder how history will consider his legacy. It feels like there is a very good chance he’ll be (arguably deservedly) vilified more than Trump. I mean, both are heinous shitbags, but McConnell’s competency puts him ahead of Trump in terms of destructiveness to the institution, in my book. Trump as a symptom of McConnellism no-doubt.
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Skex posted:Yeah sure let's compaction cycle the opposition to the Fash to the point where everyone but what ever tiny core of ideological purists are left after your purging can fit into a single stadium, that sure seems effective. This is a poo poo tier argument because once poo poo really hit the fan after we declared war on Germany I think all the Nazi supporters in the US had to recant or at least shut up.
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yronic heroism posted:Actually a huge part of Trump’s infrequent voter appeal is to the “yeah he’ll nuke everything but it’s tine to shake things up” people as you can hear in any Denny’s across this great land. This often translates in my head to “yes, but I’m BORED” in terms of voting. Kinda like how occasionally people start rooting for the collapse of the stock market - yes, change would come, and millions would suffer, and none of the suffering will be on the person rooting for it. Don’t root for societal collapse y’all. A lot of very good people live in that society.
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