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 i've heard good things about barbera lee, so i'm currently rooting for her
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Nov 14, 2018 20:26
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Yes, Donny, because life is an episode of Scooby-Doo. You're sundowning again.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:26
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So.... who's a good candidate to be speaker if Pelosi fails?
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Nov 14, 2018 20:26
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The Glumslinger posted:https://twitter.com/ByronTau/status/1062784541763473409 Mueller is such a tease.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:27
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Z. Autobahn posted:So.... who's a good candidate to be speaker if Pelosi fails? barbera lee
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Nov 14, 2018 20:27
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Z. Autobahn posted:So.... who's a good candidate to be speaker if Pelosi fails? You need someone with acceptably left-wing politics and the ability to wrangle all ~240 Democrats in the House. I'm not sure anyone in the House currently fits that bill.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:28
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Nov 14, 2018 20:28
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This is a serious problem for the progressive agenda. It's something worth continually highlighting because in a space like this forum, where upscale suburban politics can easily become hegemonic without careful self-examination.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:28
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I think I saw this tactic expertly deployed in an episode of Tiny Toon Adventures. "What can a banana cost? Ten dollars?"
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Nov 14, 2018 20:29
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Condiv posted:barbera lee barbara lee would be the choice if the reason Pelosi was in danger wasn't because of people who think she's too far left
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Nov 14, 2018 20:29
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Makes sense. East Coast Trust Fund Brat Donald Trump put on a red hat and magically became he so-called Blue Collar Billionaire to chuds across America.
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In a stunning 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court rules that this counts as a constitutional executive order. USPOL Winter: Cereal voters. Wicked Them Beats posted:I think I saw this tactic expertly deployed in an episode of Tiny Toon Adventures. It's one theory for how Edgar Allan Poe died.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:30
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:You need someone with acceptably left-wing politics and the ability to wrangle all ~240 Democrats in the House. I'm not sure anyone in the House currently fits that bill. The only pragmatic choice for Democratic representatives who are serious about governance is to caucus with the Republicans to find a bipartisan speakrt.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:You need someone with acceptably left-wing politics and the ability to wrangle all ~240 Democrats in the House. I'm not sure anyone in the House currently fits that bill. I think they will find someone without too much trouble. Some of the opposition to Pelosi is coming from a purely political "I have no problem with Pelosi, but she is now poison and we need someone, anyone new." I think anyone who is generally progressive and a credible leader will immediately get the support they need if Pelosi concedes defeat and bows out.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:30
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eke out posted:barbara lee would be the choice if the reason Pelosi was in danger wasn't because of people who think she's too far left he didn't ask who's most likely. he asked who was a good replacement
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Nov 14, 2018 20:30
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You guys are all wrong, it's not tiny toons or scooby doo, it's Hitman
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Nov 14, 2018 20:33
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Just for the record, I think dumping Pelosi is a mistake, because a political party has never had any problem demonizing a speaker (given enough time) since the 80's. The Dems had no problem tanking Ryan and Gingrich among moderate voters, the GOP had no problem making the middle skeptical of Pelosi, and if we pick someone else then the GOP hate machine will just go right back to work on their multi-year effort to get the country to hate the new speaker. If you set that aside and just say Pelosi is a bad leader well OK then, but I don't agree with that either. edit: The Senate majority leader is a bit different, perhaps because that position has had a lot more turnover? Or maybe the public (wrong) perception that the Senate is less partisan and extreme? McConnell is the first majority leader I remember that has started to become a political issue himself.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:33
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General Mills stock just soared with the news that cereal box tops are now valid voter ID
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Nov 14, 2018 20:34
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Abolishing ICE is a good thing that has like wet fart support nationally and polls at less than 17% in arizona. There are certain issues that are morally correct but are systemic problems with the constituency that you can't just boycott ever winning an election again over when you are picking your battles. "Abolish ICE" is extraordinarily unpopular with the voters that were to vote for her. That means voters bad, arizona bad, america bad, but it would have been a weird strategy to pick that to be the hill she dies on as opposed to something she could swing things on. But that only changes through people actually having and expressing different opinions. Don't you see how "but a good/correct opinion is unpopular" isn't in any way a refutation or counter to someone holding that opinion? "But did you consider ______ was elected?" is not a counterargument against someone saying "I think ______ is bad and/or did a bad thing." I mean, imagine someone using this sort of argument about a topic like slavery or something. If someone got mad at a politician for supporting slavery, you'd think that's okay even if their constituency also largely supported slavery, right? I really don't get what's so confusing about this! Why not just agree with people if you think they're correct when they say a politician was bad? yronic heroism posted:“The Democrats need to stop supporting candidates who support these camps through non-binding resolutions that say nice things about ICE and go back to supporting more leftist candidates who would never approve of kids in camps like *shuffles papers* Franklin Roosevelt.” ...what?
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Nov 14, 2018 20:34
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Rigel posted:Just for the record, I think dumping Pelosi is a mistake, because a political party has never had any problem demonizing a speaker (given enough time) since the 80's. The Dems had no problem tanking Ryan and Gingrich among moderate voters, the GOP had no problem making the middle skeptical of Pelosi, and if we pick someone else then the GOP hate machine will just go right back to work on their multi-year effort to get the country to hate the new speaker. If you set that aside and just say Pelosi is a bad leader well OK then, but I don't agree with that either. She's done fine but I'd just like someone in the party leadership who was under sixty.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:35
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As a Florida resident, I know for sure that many alleged "voters" are actually three kids standing on eachother's shoulders in a trenchcoat.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:36
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:She's done fine but I'd just like someone in the party leadership who was under sixty. That's probably the best argument I've heard. Everyone slows down when they get old.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:36
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Condiv posted:barbera lee Lee is in line for Crowley's # 2 spot as caucus leader and LOL if you think that she's against Pelosi.
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eke out posted:As a Florida resident, I know for sure that many alleged "voters" are actually three kids standing on eachother's shoulders in a trenchcoat. Would explain how DeSantis and Scott racked up leads on Election Night.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:36
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God bless this hell world where I forgot this guy claimed you needed to show ID to buy cereal.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:37
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Nothing but speculation on my part but I wonder if Pelosi hedging on impeachment or investigations on TV is what did her in.
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Nov 14, 2018 20:37
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The_Donald is melting down that Jim Jordan will not be the minority leaderquote:vote out 159 dims in disguise
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Rigel posted:Just for the record, I think dumping Pelosi is a mistake, because a political party has never had any problem demonizing a speaker (given enough time) since the 80's. The Dems had no problem tanking Ryan and Gingrich among moderate voters, the GOP had no problem making the middle skeptical of Pelosi, and if we pick someone else then the GOP hate machine will just go right back to work on their multi-year effort to get the country to hate the new speaker. If you set that aside and just say Pelosi is a bad leader well OK then, but I don't agree with that either. Being leader of an organ with ~15% approval ratings probably rubs off, too.
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Little known fact, Mike Pence got the VP spot by pulling a kazoo out of a box of Cracker Jack. (Which he did not eat, describing it as “too intense for his palette.”)
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Your Taint posted:Nothing but speculation on my part but I wonder if Pelosi hedging on impeachment or investigations on TV is what did her in. Its because a lot of blue dogs promised they wouldn't support hewr for Speaker becuase she is somehow a republican boogeywoman and is portrayed as an uber-radical progressive
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Skex posted:Lee is in line for Crowley's # 2 spot as caucus leader and LOL if you think that she's against Pelosi. She wouldn't be against Pelosi in this hypothetical. I don't think the "not Pelosi" crowd is trying to get someone else to beat her on the floor. They are probably wanting to prove she can't win with a few failed floor votes, then when Pelosi steps aside, its a free for all as every ambitious Dem leader starts talking to everyone else and locking in commitments. Thats probably happening now. "Look, you and I both support Pelosi, but if she steps aside for any reason, I hope I can count on your vote."
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Your Taint posted:Nothing but speculation on my part but I wonder if Pelosi hedging on impeachment or investigations on TV is what did her in. it's only the right-wing dems that are mad about her, so nah. the progressives that actually want to do this (to varying degrees) so far have supported her 100%
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Also Jim Jordan was a part of House Freedom caucus that MAGA worshipped
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:The_Donald is melting down that Jim Jordan will not be the minority leader "A good caning" 
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Ague Proof posted:In a stunning 5-4 decision, the Supreme Court rules that this counts as a constitutional executive order. The corn flakes rooster wins the 2020 presidential election on the basis that the Kellogg family owns the most boxes of cereal.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:The_Donald is melting down that Jim Jordan will not be the minority leader Oh, spez means edit. And here I thought SA was insular and weird. Two years and they have this whole language unique to their broken brains.
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Rigel posted:edit: The Senate majority leader is a bit different, perhaps because that position has had a lot more turnover? Or maybe the public (wrong) perception that the Senate is less partisan and extreme? McConnell is the first majority leader I remember that has started to become a political issue himself.
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And in case anyone was wondering, the UK is continuing to do dumb things with Brexit
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Rigel posted:Just for the record, I think dumping Pelosi is a mistake, because a political party has never had any problem demonizing a speaker (given enough time) since the 80's. The Dems had no problem tanking Ryan and Gingrich among moderate voters, the GOP had no problem making the middle skeptical of Pelosi, and if we pick someone else then the GOP hate machine will just go right back to work on their multi-year effort to get the country to hate the new speaker. If you set that aside and just say Pelosi is a bad leader well OK then, but I don't agree with that either. I think given the profound anti-incumbency mood of the nation, having a changing of the guard and some fresh leadership is good for the party in general. Of course they'll find a way to demonize someone new, but that still takes time to get running, and I think the party needs new faces in the spotlight.
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