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galagazombie posted:Artoo: Purposefully helped cause the deaths of a millions of people who were legitimate military targets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDnO4nDA3kM
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Nov 14, 2018 23:55
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R2D2 doesn't count because it is only a machine, not a real person.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:09
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At this point I'm only going to see IX to spot prequel references.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:10
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i see your trolley problem solution and raise you this solution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N_RZJUAQY4
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Nov 15, 2018 00:15
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Was R2D2 good for preserving a map leading to child abuser luke skywalker, so the authorities might find him and bring him to justice, or bad, for obscuring the map in a highly confusing treasure hunt
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Nov 15, 2018 00:22
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McCloud posted:lol remember when rose and finn rescued the enslaved camels but left the slave children to rot? It's the unequivocally best part of the movie
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Nov 15, 2018 01:12
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No Mods No Masters posted:Was R2D2 good for preserving a map leading to child abuser luke skywalker, so the authorities might find him and bring him to justice, or bad, for obscuring the map in a highly confusing treasure hunt Between the OT and the ST, someone took R2 with them through dozens of escape rooms, and it's affected him a little.
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Nov 15, 2018 04:50
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We got some information on the ten minutes of the Holiday Special that actually mattered
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Nov 15, 2018 16:28
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Vinylshadow posted:We got some information on the ten minutes of the Holiday Special that actually mattered This is cool but where's the info on Bea Arthur's cantina song
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Nov 15, 2018 16:33
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:i see your trolley problem solution and raise you this solution: This kid gets it
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Nov 15, 2018 16:50
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galagazombie posted:Artoo: Purposefully helped cause the deaths of a millions of people who were legitimate military targets. Star Wars fans generally have enormous trouble with characterization, which is why everything tends to boil down to these rules about 'honorable killing'. But since we're on the topic: it's helpful to go back to the original hypothetical scenario from which the trolley problem was heavily abstracted. After all, what are these people doing tied to the rails? Who set up this whole bizarre death-trap? "Suppose that a judge or magistrate is faced with rioters demanding that a culprit be found for a certain crime and threatening otherwise to take their own bloody revenge on a particular section of the community. The real culprit being unknown, the judge sees himself as able to prevent the bloodshed only by framing some innocent person and having him executed." -Philippa Foot Here we have the context. The 'trolley' is revealed to be a euphemism for an uncontrollable vengeful mob, and you are positioned as the lawman doing whatever it takes to maintain social stability.
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Nov 15, 2018 18:40
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i hate when screen rant articles show up in my news feed "Star Wars 9 Theory: Kylo Ren Is Redeemed... Because of Darth Revan" star wars 9 theory: not that you dumb fucks
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Nov 15, 2018 19:01
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:i hate when screen rant articles show up in my news feed This and poo poo "science news" from the Daily Mail are my kryptonite.
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Nov 15, 2018 19:14
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:i hate when screen rant articles show up in my news feed Every time I search "Star Wars Episode 9" (or some variation thereupon) on Google, at least half of the results on the first "News" page are Daily Express articles (almost all written by their Arts Editor!) either reporting Mike Zeroh videos as fact (and ALWAYS appending "AND FANS ARE NOT HAPPY" to the end of the title) or repeating some YouTube complaint video about Last Jedi about eight months after it was posted.
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Nov 15, 2018 19:25
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I get a lot of "theory" videos that are always on the caliber of "Luke Skywalker's father REVEALED", and it turns out they maybe watched the movie, but based on something they read in a canon book, came to the conclusion that it's Darth Vader. Here's one now: "THE MATRIX - Why Cypher did it!" (12 minutes long) Like, was that... not clear in the movie?  Or this one: "George Lucas REVEALS why Anakin thought the Jedi were evil." (No, not in the movie, in a comment he said somewhere) It gets even worse when people try to analyze games in a similar manner. "I have found secret evidence that the fish girl in Breath of the Wild is in love... with Link!!!  "No poo poo? And then they get upset when someone "steals" their grand theories without giving credit.
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Nov 16, 2018 11:13
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Maybe that person just goes comatose when people are talking instead of fighting
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Nov 16, 2018 11:47
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Kylo Ren will be redeemed in the sense that he'll turn out to be right about everything.
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Nov 16, 2018 15:44
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General Dog posted:Kylo Ren will be redeemed in the sense that he'll turn out to be right about everything.
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Nov 16, 2018 23:15
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Vader wants to bring order to the galaxy. Kylo probably wants to bring order to the galaxy as well. Palpatine said he wanted to bring order to the galaxy, which is why they needed an Empire.
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Nov 16, 2018 23:23
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 Apparently the first design was used for Maul's mother in The Clone Wars.
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Nov 17, 2018 00:45
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I believe Asajj Ventress also originated as a Maul design.
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Nov 17, 2018 00:52
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If I'm remembering right she actually originated as a design for the new Sith apprentice in Episode 2, before they settled on getting Christopher Lee.
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Nov 17, 2018 01:39
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Assajj Ventress was given the "Ex-Jedi-turned-Jedi Hunter" backstory that originally belonged to Aurra Sing from the Jedi Apprentice novels
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Nov 17, 2018 22:18
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Probably unconsciously, even EU writers get that a lot of Jedis eventually realize the Jedi are dumb and bad and deserve to be destroyed
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Nov 18, 2018 16:38
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Wheat Loaf posted:Vader wants to bring order to the galaxy. Kylo probably wants to bring order to the galaxy as well. Palpatine said he wanted to bring order to the galaxy, which is why they needed an Empire. The Sith and the Dark Side in general seems to be about this theme of pathologically seeking to control things to the extent you forget/destroy what you wanted to protect. Poetically this is what led to the fall of the Jedi as they became so obsessed with control they forgot what they were supposed to be doing. Mace Windu deciding to seize power over the Republic to "save" it is in-fact the immediate cause of it's destruction.
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Nov 19, 2018 01:00
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galagazombie posted:The Sith and the Dark Side in general seems to be about this theme of pathologically seeking to control things to the extent you forget/destroy what you wanted to protect. Poetically this is what led to the fall of the Jedi as they became so obsessed with control they forgot what they were supposed to be doing. Mace Windu deciding to seize power over the Republic to "save" it is in-fact the immediate cause of it's destruction. Arresting/killing sheev wasn't seizing power over the Republic though. By that point the Jedi knew that the sith master was directly behind the entire war. Finding out it was palps meant that he was an out and out traitor to the Republic, which made arresting or killing him kind of their job.
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Nov 19, 2018 02:37
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Caros posted:Arresting/killing sheev wasn't seizing power over the Republic though. By that point the Jedi knew that the sith master was directly behind the entire war. Finding out it was palps meant that he was an out and out traitor to the Republic, which made arresting or killing him kind of their job. But they were directly talking about how removing him would mean taking over the Republic "for its own good" before hand. The idea being they could have avoided the situation by not being beholden to Sheev in the first place. Plus the fact trying to kill Palpatine is the immediate cause of Anakin turning on the Jedi and gives the Casus Belli that allows Sidious to legitimize seizing power.
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Nov 19, 2018 02:54
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Caros posted:Arresting/killing sheev wasn't seizing power over the Republic though. By that point the Jedi knew that the sith master was directly behind the entire war. Finding out it was palps meant that he was an out and out traitor to the Republic, which made arresting or killing him kind of their job. Killing Sheev is “not the Jedi way”.
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Nov 19, 2018 02:58
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galagazombie posted:The Sith and the Dark Side in general seems to be about this theme of pathologically seeking to control things to the extent you forget/destroy what you wanted to protect. Poetically this is what led to the fall of the Jedi as they became so obsessed with control they forgot what they were supposed to be doing. Mace Windu deciding to seize power over the Republic to "save" it is in-fact the immediate cause of it's destruction. The proper conclusion of the ST would be the Jedi giving up the Republic, which has repeatedly drawn them to the Dark Side.
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Nov 19, 2018 07:45
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Hodgepodge posted:The proper conclusion of the ST would be the Jedi giving up the Republic, which has repeatedly drawn them to the Dark Side. That was the ending to the OT.
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Nov 19, 2018 16:32
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Caros posted:Arresting/killing sheev wasn't seizing power over the Republic though. By that point the Jedi knew that the sith master was directly behind the entire war. Finding out it was palps meant that he was an out and out traitor to the Republic, which made arresting or killing him kind of their job. It may have been doing the "right" thing by attempting to arrest Palpatine, but they were extremely stupid to do so. The fact that he just outright told Anakin "hey, I'm the Sith Master" should have made it extremely obvious that it was a trap, but Mace just went ahead and took the bait. On that note, how bad was Mace and Yoda's working relationship that Mace doesn't even pick up the Holo-phone to run any of this by him before just going out and attempting a coup?
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Nov 19, 2018 18:53
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So I finally saw The Last Jedi last night and I...liked it? I usually don't care too much for Star Wars films, but I felt that it was the best one besides Empire. Not totally sure why it gets so much hate, but skimming through, it seems that people hated it for the same reasons I enjoyed it.
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Nov 19, 2018 20:27
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General Dog posted:It may have been doing the "right" thing by attempting to arrest Palpatine, but they were extremely stupid to do so. The fact that he just outright told Anakin "hey, I'm the Sith Master" should have made it extremely obvious that it was a trap, but Mace just went ahead and took the bait. Am I crazy? I though there was a scene of Mace and Yoda discussing their plan to replace Sheev by force and admitting it would be a coup attempt
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Nov 19, 2018 20:37
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Barudak posted:Am I crazy? I though there was a scene of Mace and Yoda discussing their plan to replace Sheev by force and admitting it would be a coup attempt There is, but that’s before the revelation that he is the Sith Lord. As far as we see, no one runs that information past Yoda before they decide to barge into his office and arrest him.
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Nov 19, 2018 20:43
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punk rebel ecks posted:So I finally saw The Last Jedi last night and I...liked it? I usually don't care too much for Star Wars films, but I felt that it was the best one besides Empire. Not to be too snarky or anything but laying out the reasons you enjoyed it might be a good place to start understanding?
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Nov 19, 2018 20:57
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Caros posted:Arresting/killing sheev wasn't seizing power over the Republic though. By that point the Jedi knew that the sith master was directly behind the entire war. Finding out it was palps meant that he was an out and out traitor to the Republic, which made arresting or killing him kind of their job. Palpating was the republic. The Jedi were the seditious traitor. Also Samuel Jackson didn’t know Palpatine was behind the separatists. He only knew he was a sith. Iirc.
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Nov 19, 2018 21:06
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Waffles Inc. posted:Not to be too snarky or anything but laying out the reasons you enjoyed it might be a good place to start understanding? - I enjoyed how it wasn't too predictable - Rei not having any connection with anyone's bloodline was a cool and good decision - Luke and Kylo backstory were good - Bloodsalt set piece was good - Luke hologram was good
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Nov 19, 2018 21:12
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punk rebel ecks posted:- I enjoyed how it wasn't too predictable Opening battle scene was very good
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Nov 19, 2018 21:13
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Those aren't reasons.
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euphronius posted:Palpating was the republic. The Jedi were the seditious traitor. The movies are kind of vague on how much anybody knows about the separatists' leadership, but don't the Jedi have enough information to associate the Sith with the Separatists? They 100% recognized Darth Maul as a Sith, and knew he was affiliated with the pre-Clone Wars Trade Federation. I can't remember if they ever identified Dooku as a Sith or not. Come to think of it, it's not entirely clear that anyone ever made the connection that Palpatine/Sidious was pulling Dooku's strings. General Dog fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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