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It's time to admit Nancy Pelosi is an extraordinarily talented politician.
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Groovelord Neato posted:he was a marine who served there so acts as a talking head for how it was hosed up. https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1062845440205426689?s=19 
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Nov 15, 2018 00:22
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skylined! posted:
No, i'm just not overestimating the strategic abilities of the democrats Pelosi gets praised endlessly by the center for passing ACA but she also explicitly prevented a public option, she's still a lovely corporate dem
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Nov 15, 2018 00:22
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Mr_Moose posted:Now he's as finally as qualified as Trump to be president The CNN article a few pages back goes into a lot of detail. The tl;dr about it is that she was rather forceful and dismissive with Melania's staff during the Africa trip, earning the ire of the First Lady.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:25
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He's just so amazingly stupid Anyone who thought Bastaman had a shot at the being the nominee is out of their minds
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Nov 15, 2018 00:26
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Mr_Moose posted:Now he's as finally as qualified as Trump to be president Trump is too chickenshit to fire anyone, and he won't have Kelly do it right now because he's pissed at him.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:27
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i decided to stop into the avenatti toxx thread and it's really great right now i just need to be really, really careful about which window i'm posting in
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Nov 15, 2018 00:27
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Yinlock posted:No, i'm just not overestimating the strategic abilities of the democrats No she didn't, the House bill included a public option. It was a lovely public option that the CBO estimated would do nothing and be worthless because it was effectively barred from costing less than private insurance, so she's responsible for it sucking, but not for it getting stripped out which happened in the senate was Obama's doing as part of a deal he struck with insurance companies
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Nov 15, 2018 00:27
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TulliusCicero posted:He's just so amazingly stupid I know at least one guy who thinks he would be the nominee, and he still believes that right now.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:28
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TulliusCicero posted:He's just so amazingly stupid Sadly that is one of the more crafty statements Jr. has made, likely by accident. No one wanted Avenatti to run for anything, but because he said that he wanted to try it allows everyone to go DEM BAD. Of course ignoring the fact that yeah, some dems are bad, which is why people on the left are supporting his arrest. Rule of law isn't a loving team game
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Nov 15, 2018 00:29
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Re: Facebook and Schumer Chat. https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/1062844999937736705
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Nov 15, 2018 00:29
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"No way a man who assaulted his ex could possibly be president!" I scream into my pillow weeping.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:29
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VitalSigns posted:No she didn't, the House bill included a public option. i hadn't heard this / didn't remember this but i'm gonna be honest, even then it might still be a step up over what we got i trust the federal government to run a better ship than most major insurance companies for the same price if you got an article on the topic that'd be neat, although it's hardly crucial or urgent since the thing died almost a loving decade ago Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Nov 15, 2018 00:30
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Please God no.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:30
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Yinlock posted:No, i'm just not overestimating the strategic abilities of the democrats The house passed a public option though, it was killed in the Senate by Baccus and Lieberman
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Nov 15, 2018 00:32
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By "taking another position in the Administration" but leaving the White House, I'm thinking Ricardel took the (apparently standard) Omarosa payoff/hushmoney deal. How is it that nobody made a gif of Schumer dancing like a drunk grandpa at the 2016 DNC?
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Nov 15, 2018 00:33
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TulliusCicero posted:He's just so amazingly stupid I mean if he was a republican this would be a feature, not a bug, so I can understand the sentiment
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Nov 15, 2018 00:36
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See, the thing about Avenatti is, he's a fighter
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Nov 15, 2018 00:38
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Have enough Dems pledged to oppose Pelosi that winning them over really matters? Or are folks expecting others to follow their lead? This sounds like a whole lot of nothing IMO
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Nov 15, 2018 00:39
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i hadn't heard this / didn't remember this but i'm gonna be honest, even then it might still be a step up over what we got Budget Office: Public Option Would Cost More than Private Plans quote:A significant factor for the higher premiums would be the fact that House Democrats included in the legislation unveiled Thursday a public option that would negotiate its payment rates with medical providers. Liberals like Pelosi were inclined to include a public option that tied its payment rates to Medicare -- this would have made it cheaper, but moderate Democrats from rural areas complained that doctors and medical providers in their regions would not be paid enough. It would not have been better than what we got absent incremental improvements from future congresses and the door slammed shut on that in 2010 so it would most likely have just been another whipping horse for Republicans to "prove" government doesn't work. And yeah notice the Blue Dogs were happy to murder their own constituents to keep business profits up (ironically business profits would have been better with a public option with rates tied to Medicare because they actually would have gotten business lol)
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Nov 15, 2018 00:39
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Yes but you see if we get rid of Pelosi it will send a message that we want things to be more progressive.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:39
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Nov 15, 2018 00:40
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Deified Data posted:Have enough Dems pledged to oppose Pelosi that winning them over really matters? Or are folks expecting others to follow their lead? This. This worthless attempt at a coup seems to be exactly that.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:40
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:See, the thing about Avenatti is, he's a fighter tbf this does actually mean something, people are tired of this middle-of-the-road let's compromise with nazis horseshit, they want someone, anyone to actually fight for once I don't think they wanted you to fight your wife though basta, might wanna dial it back a little good, perez is the final piece of the schumer/pelosi/perez Succforce
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Nov 15, 2018 00:40
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Angry_Ed posted:Yes but you see if we get rid of Pelosi it will send a message that we want things to be more progressive. tbh, i'm surprised that the blue dogs turned out to be traitorous no-one saw that one coming
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Nov 15, 2018 00:40
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Deified Data posted:Have enough Dems pledged to oppose Pelosi that winning them over really matters? Or are folks expecting others to follow their lead? they don't need others if republicans join their efforts.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:41
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junior's dad assaulted his mom.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:41
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TulliusCicero posted:This. How many votes do they need to unseat Pelosi?
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Nov 15, 2018 00:41
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Deified Data posted:Have enough Dems pledged to oppose Pelosi that winning them over really matters? Or are folks expecting others to follow their lead? if they can hold her to sub-218 they can demand concessions, but i suspect that's all they'll do also, at that point it does as people have noted become a serious prisoner's dilemma problem, where the first X people to defect get grudging forgiveness and a tidbit or two, and the holdouts get the enmity of the ruthless hardass who just got reconfirmed in her leadership position papa horny michael posted:they don't need others if republicans join their efforts. the odds of this carrying through are very nearly zero
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Nov 15, 2018 00:41
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Fart City posted:I love that AOC makes chuds so mad. I also love that she’s going to be part of the political landscape for like, the next half century. Yeah but the year is 2066 and the USPOL thread is restless. They have had enough of millenial libs trying to translate their ancient twitter game onto the neural net. And did you hear how Speaker AOC voted for the previous speaker who said she was a capitalist way back when? Betcha didn’t until my neural meme just galaxy’d your mind! Such cowardly centrism cannot stand, must not stand. Only Khaleesi Pikachu Sanders, II, can lead our party against the Jordan Peterson Head in a Jar presidency.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:42
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rscott posted:The house passed a public option though, it was killed in the Senate by Baccus and Lieberman oh right I was mistaken on that one, though I'll also say that democrats typically only try progressive legislation when they know it'll fail I was still wrong there, though.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:42
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VitalSigns posted:Budget Office: Public Option Would Cost More than Private Plans sweet, thanks for certain values of sweet i read CBO reports semi-recreationally sometimes 
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Nov 15, 2018 00:42
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theblackw0lf posted:Speaking of Facebook That's Tim Miller. A "friend of the pod" for the Obama boys podcast network.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:44
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papa horny michael posted:they don't need others if republicans join their efforts. Right, I was just wondering if their new majority wouldn't be enough to just steamroll such a thing.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:45
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Deified Data posted:Have enough Dems pledged to oppose Pelosi that winning them over really matters? Or are folks expecting others to follow their lead? We have no idea, because we still don't know how many Democrats will be in Congress. it's currently 229 - 198 with 8 TBD. 17 is in the neighborhood of mattering, though, if they actually voted against her. If they merely abstained, then no.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:if they can hold her to sub-218 they can demand concessions, but i suspect that's all they'll do Here you go being all reasonable and logical about it. Clearly the correct answer it zero-tolerance for centrists regardless of the cost. Honestly though, everything you said is pretty much 100% how it will play out I bet. Only with the added Trump interjection afterwards of "HAHA losers tricked you into picking HER again!" and all the predictable ones taking the bait.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:46
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Retro42 posted:Clearly the correct answer it zero-tolerance for centrists regardless of the cost. Unironically yes. No collaborators.
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Nov 15, 2018 00:46
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Another day with no indictments. 
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Nov 15, 2018 00:47
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For those who don't read, it's over the reforms to superdelegates' role. Washington Examiner posted:Black Caucus members remain upset with how Perez handled the historic August vote to strip superdelegates of their power during the party’s presidential nominating process. The changes block superdelegates — elected officials and party leaders — from casting a vote for any presidential candidate unless a second ballot is required at the 2020 national convention. Tanith fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Nov 15, 2018 |
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Yinlock posted:good, perez is the final piece of the schumer/pelosi/perez Succforce You should read their rationale. e;fb
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