Warhammer Code 30k: Hope Is The First Step On The Road To Disappointment

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Mango Polo: Aug 4, 2007

Fashionable Jorts posted:

We house ruled the removal of Murderous Strike from paragon blades, because it made every praetor for the last 4 campaigns use the exact same equipment in every battle

Time to start playing BA for that hosed up photon blade praetor

# ? Nov 15, 2018 22:02

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 14:53

Broken Record Talk: Jul 28, 2009; A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

Mango Polo posted:

Time to start playing BA for that hosed up photon blade praetor

The hardest part of playing 30k BAs is choosing between the Paragon Blade, Blade of Perdition, and the Photonic Blade relic for your Praetor.

# ? Nov 15, 2018 22:13

panascope: Mar 26, 2005

Ghazk posted:

This is making me angry

Power Fist Praetors rule if you can get some chump to eat the challenge.

# ? Nov 15, 2018 22:15

Mango Polo: Aug 4, 2007

Broken Record Talk posted:

The hardest part of playing 30k BAs is choosing between the Paragon Blade, Blade of Perdition, and the Photonic Blade relic for your Praetor.

I absolutely loathe how the double wounds spill into other models

# ? Nov 15, 2018 22:16

Ghazk: May 11, 2007; I can see EVERYTHING

panascope posted:

Power Fist Praetors rule if you can get some chump to eat the challenge.

Ah yes, the Abaddon Maneuver

# ? Nov 15, 2018 22:35

panascope: Mar 26, 2005

When in doubt, pussy out

# ? Nov 16, 2018 00:33

Salynne: Oct 25, 2007

Ghazk posted:

BattleScribe says the UM fear check is taken on an unmodified 10, but argue for 8 because gently caress Ultramarines

Also how I read the rules, weird

# ? Nov 16, 2018 00:38

panascope: Mar 26, 2005

Pro read: it says unmodified that it�s 10. If you modify it, you take it on the base (9 with a sergeant) minus the modifications. Ld 7 bitchhhhhh

# ? Nov 16, 2018 00:41

Hixson: Mar 27, 2009

panascope posted:

When in doubt, pussy out

The panascope strat

# ? Nov 16, 2018 00:46

tallkidwithglasses: Feb 7, 2006

panascope posted:

Pro read: it says unmodified that it�s 10. If you modify it, you take it on the base (9 with a sergeant) minus the modifications. Ld 7 bitchhhhhh

Show your opponent the gun tucked in your waistband and if they flinch you�re allowed to start pistol whipping their HQ units.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 00:47

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

panascope posted:

Ultra brain: it says unmodified that it�s 10. If you modify it, you take it on the base (9 with a sergeant) minus the modifications. Ld 7 bitchhhhhh

# ? Nov 16, 2018 01:03

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Fashionable Jorts posted:

We house ruled the removal of Murderous Strike from paragon blades, because it made every praetor for the last 4 campaigns use the exact same equipment in every battle

Laaaaame.

Paragon blades are a gamble, not a sure thing. I don't think I've ever had one work :v:

. Yeah, I always take one on a praetor, but that's mostly because I think it's a fun option rather than effective and my legion rules interact with paragon blades shaped like swords. A thunder hammer or fist is way more of a sure thing in praetor duels and it's pretty common to see praetors with both a blade and fist/hammer since they're all specialist weapons. There's room for both.

Mango Polo posted:

I absolutely loathe how the double wounds spill into other models

I don't think they do. It's not like the FAQ addressed this particular weapon, but wounds have never spilled over in 40k or WHFB. They do in AoS though because it's a game for idiot children. I also seem to remember an apocryphal e-mail that said they don't, but we all know how much those are worth. It's still a really good sword and a viable sidegrade from a paragon blade.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 01:53

Fashionable Jorts: Jan 18, 2010; Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you

Safety Factor posted:

Laaaaame.

Paragon blades are a gamble, not a sure thing. I don't think I've ever had one work . Yeah, I always take one on a praetor, but that's mostly because I think it's a fun option rather than effective and my legion rules interact with paragon blades shaped like swords. A thunder hammer or fist is way more of a sure thing in praetor duels and it's pretty common to see praetors with both a blade and fist/hammer since they're all specialist weapons. There's room for both.

I'm pretty sure 90% of HQ deaths in the dozens of HH games we've played have been due to rolling a 6 from a Paragon Blade. The only time I didn't regularly take them was when I was playing salamanders and could give eternal warrior to my praetor, then he got a hammer.

It makes relics and legion specific wargear a much more viable choice, since why would I grab a Legatine Axe when a Paragon Blade is only five points more and vastly superior?

# ? Nov 16, 2018 02:04

panascope: Mar 26, 2005

tallkidwithglasses posted:

Show your opponent the gun tucked in your waistband and if they flinch you�re allowed to start pistol whipping their HQ units.

Bring a shotgun and blow away their Warlord Titan

# ? Nov 16, 2018 02:13

Lord_Hambrose: Nov 21, 2008; *a foul hooting fills the air*

Fashionable Jorts posted:

It makes relics and legion specific wargear a much more viable choice, since why would I grab a Legatine Axe when a Paragon Blade is only five points more and vastly superior?

You care about the setting and not just winning tournaments?

# ? Nov 16, 2018 02:16

Broken Record Talk: Jul 28, 2009; A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

Fashionable Jorts posted:

It makes relics and legion specific wargear a much more viable choice, since why would I grab a Legatine Axe when a Paragon Blade is only five points more and vastly superior?

Poor World Eaters. Even non-melee legions, like White Scars and Ultramarines, have better unique melee weapons.

Broken Record Talk fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Nov 16, 2018

# ? Nov 16, 2018 02:22

panascope: Mar 26, 2005

Free chainaxes and Inductii salve the wound

# ? Nov 16, 2018 02:24

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

I do agree that paragon blades are really strong and hard not to take.

Would be cool if they made 'paragon' a class of weapon like 'power weapon' so you could choose your flavor. Right now the crunch is paragon blade or paragon blade with chainfist / thunder hammer/ specialist weapon.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 02:35

Salynne: Oct 25, 2007

BULBASAUR posted:

I do agree that paragon blades are really strong and hard not to take.

Would be cool if they made 'paragon' a class of weapon like 'power weapon' so you could choose your flavor. Right now the crunch is paragon blade or paragon blade with chainfist / thunder hammer/ specialist weapon.

The fluff says a paragon blade is basically any generic relic weapon though right? Doesn't really have to change most models. Some are chainswords or xenos poo poo or whatever.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 02:57

tallkidwithglasses: Feb 7, 2006

BULBASAUR posted:

I do agree that paragon blades are really strong and hard not to take.

Would be cool if they made 'paragon' a class of weapon like 'power weapon' so you could choose your flavor. Right now the crunch is paragon blade or paragon blade with chainfist / thunder hammer/ specialist weapon.

Calabanite Paragon Sword - Str+1 AP2 murderous strike, if your HQ dies you lose d3 VPs.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 02:59

BULBASAUR: Apr 6, 2009; Soiled Meat

Paragon blade (Str+1, AP2, murderous strike)
Paragon axe (Strx2, AP2)
Paragon terranic longsword (fear)

# ? Nov 16, 2018 03:05

Cythereal: Nov 8, 2009; I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

General Olloth posted:

The fluff says a paragon blade is basically any generic relic weapon though right? Doesn't really have to change most models. Some are chainswords or xenos poo poo or whatever.

Yeah, the book entry says 'paragon blade' is a generic name for any really fancy melee weapon a Legion has that isn't an established pattern.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 03:10

Lord_Hambrose: Nov 21, 2008; *a foul hooting fills the air*

Look at the cowards afraid to take just a charnabal sabre.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 03:12

Fashionable Jorts: Jan 18, 2010; Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you

Broken Record Talk posted:

Poor World Eaters. Even non-melee legions, like White Scars and Ultramarines, have better unique melee weapons.

Hey now, the Barb-hook lash is a very fine weapon if you need to fight a... uhh... hmm... carnifex that forgot to wear its carapace?

# ? Nov 16, 2018 04:18

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Safety Factor posted:

I wish my legion had a primarch model I could paint.

One day... One day, Angelus will come

I'll switch to Dangels in a heartbeat if Forgeworld does the needful and sculpts Lionel with Fabio-esque flowing gold locks.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 04:55

Sharks Dont Sleep: Mar 4, 2009; In pairing luxury automobiles with large predatory felines we have achieved reality ahead of schedule.

Endman posted:

I'll switch to Dangels in a heartbeat if Forgeworld does the needful and sculpts Lionel with Fabio-esque flowing gold locks.

Was he ever described as having a beard or moustache? I honestly can�t remember but he absolutely should have a loving moustache if not a Lemmy.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 09:02

Mango Polo: Aug 4, 2007

Safety Factor posted:

I don't think they do. It's not like the FAQ addressed this particular weapon, but wounds have never spilled over in 40k or WHFB. They do in AoS though because it's a game for idiot children. I also seem to remember an apocryphal e-mail that said they don't, but we all know how much those are worth. It's still a really good sword and a viable sidegrade from a paragon blade.

I remember looking it up years ago because of losing a ZM match due to it mulching a whole squad a turn. Pretty sure at the time the community seemed to agree that the doubled wounds spilled out

# ? Nov 16, 2018 09:06

Safety Factor: Oct 31, 2009; Grimey Drawer

Fashionable Jorts posted:

It makes relics and legion specific wargear a much more viable choice, since why would I grab a Legatine Axe when a Paragon Blade is only five points more and vastly superior?

The legion-specific wargear is (usually) awesome for centurions, but I like praetors having access to some higher tier stuff. A paragon blade is kind of a catch-all statline for weapons like that and I think it represents them well enough. Some variants might be nice, but then you might fall into the trap where there's one clear favorite.

I use the hell out of terranic greatswords and calibanite warblades on lower-level characters though. The greatswords in particular are amazing even if they're saddled with AP3.

Mango Polo posted:

I remember looking it up years ago because of losing a ZM match due to it mulching a whole squad a turn. Pretty sure at the time the community seemed to agree that the doubled wounds spilled out

Yeah, but the community is dumb and not to be trusted.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 09:50

JcDent: May 13, 2013; Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!

Safety Factor posted:

I use the hell out of terranic greatswords and calibanite warblades on lower-level characters though. The greatswords in particular are amazing even if they're saddled with AP3.

8e AP system can't come soon enough.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 10:25

adamantium|wang: Sep 14, 2003; Missing you

BULBASAUR posted:

Paragon terranic longsword (fear, must always sweeping advance)

# ? Nov 16, 2018 10:25

panascope: Mar 26, 2005

Where did �must sweeping advance� come from and why does FW think it�s a drawback? Hasn�t it always been mandatory?

# ? Nov 16, 2018 15:37

Beerdeer: Apr 25, 2006; Frank Herbert's Dude

Broken Record Talk posted:

The hardest part of playing 30k BAs is choosing between the Paragon Blade, Blade of Perdition, and the Photonic Blade relic for your Praetor.

It's not the complete lack of a primarch?

# ? Nov 16, 2018 15:47

tallkidwithglasses: Feb 7, 2006

Beerdeer posted:

It's not the complete lack of a primarch?

Only scrub legions have primarchs. :smugdog:

# ? Nov 16, 2018 15:56

long-ass nips Diane: Dec 13, 2010; Breathe.

Primarchs are a crutch

I definitely don't have this opinion because I'm scared to paint one

# ? Nov 16, 2018 15:59

DJ Dizzy: Feb 11, 2009; Real men don't use bolters.

tallkidwithglasses posted:

Only scrub legions have primarchs.

Lion El'Johnson

Fires of Vengeance: Lose 1D6 VP if Lion El'Johnson does not kill the opponents warlord.
Balanced.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 16:10

Ghazk: May 11, 2007; I can see EVERYTHING

DJ Dizzy posted:

Lion El'Johnson

Fires of Vengeance: Lose 1D6 VP if Lion El'Johnson does not kill the opponents warlord.
Balanced.

Lose 1D6 VP if Lion El'Johnson does not kill an enemy primarch. Applies even if opponent does not field a primarch.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 17:10

Broken Record Talk: Jul 28, 2009; A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

long-rear end nips Diane posted:

Primarchs are a crutch

I rarely even use my painted Horus because I believe Primarchs can become a hindrance to fun games, when used too often.

My buddy owns something like 75,000 points of painted 30k Space Wolves, and EVERY loving GAME, he uses Russ and a squad Varagyr in a Spartan, no matter how many points we play. It gets really old really fast.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 17:38

Ghazk: May 11, 2007; I can see EVERYTHING

75K? Good lord. Any group photos?

# ? Nov 16, 2018 18:04

Fashionable Jorts: Jan 18, 2010; Maybe if I'm busy it could keep me from you

JcDent posted:

8e AP system can't come soon enough.

We've been tempted to test out an 8e style Ap system in our HH games, wouldn't be too hard.

Ap 5+6 becomes 0, Ap 4 becomes - 1, etc.

The only good thing 8th did was add a decent Ap mechanic.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 18:28

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tallkidwithglasses: Feb 7, 2006

Fashionable Jorts posted:

We've been tempted to test out an 8e style Ap system in our HH games, wouldn't be too hard.

Ap 5+6 becomes 0, Ap 4 becomes - 1, etc.

The only good thing 8th did was add a decent Ap mechanic.

The elements of 8th that everyone seems to like (movement values, ap system) were straight ripped from WHFB, which will always amuse me to no end.

# ? Nov 16, 2018 18:34

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