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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I always find it humorous that the Romans were so exact and precise with all of their city and fortification planning while their own city was a adhoc confusing clusterfuck. The US is the same way too. Try driving in Boston vs Salt Lake City. It's just the difference between a city that develops organically and one that is planned.
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Epicurius posted:The US is the same way too. Try driving in Boston vs Salt Lake City. It's just the difference between a city that develops organically and one that is planned. Boston is indeed a clusterfuck but our official capital of DC and our financial capital of Manhattan are both relatively cleanly planned designs.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:16
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Boston is indeed a clusterfuck but our official capital of DC and our financial capital of Manhattan are both relatively cleanly planned designs. Neither of which took in account our current form of movement and are now a disaster. All cities should be razed to the ground ever 50 years and replanned.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:32
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Remaking every city to be more car friendly strikes me as a very bad idea, even in a perfect world where no one is dispossessed somehow, for a whole host of reasons
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Nov 16, 2018 17:34
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If you make every city car friendly you end up with Texas. You don't want Texas.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:36
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LingcodKilla posted:Neither of which took in account our current form of movement and are now a disaster. I see no issue with razing some US cities to the ground, it's the rebuilding part you have to sell me on. I mean, do you really need detroit anymore?
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Nov 16, 2018 17:43
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Dalael posted:I see no issue with razing some US cities to the ground, it's the rebuilding part you have to sell me on. I mean, do you really need detroit anymore? Incredibly racist. I mean I know its you but come on.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:45
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Boston has huge swathes that are "cleanly planned", like the Back Bay, South End, South Boston, and most of the outer areas past Roxbury. It's just it all happens to suck to drive in anyway because if you're driving there you're often going to a place that is outright awful to drive into like the core downtown. Anyway though, a ton of cities people talk up as "designed for cars" in the US are really 19th century plans that easily predate automobiles, often even trains at all. It's more that we made our cars suitable to put into roads designed for ease-of-use by animal-drawn wagons and carriages, which makes those same roads look like they're good for cars. Places like the original core of Boston or parts of the original depths of Manhattan are terrible for cars today... but they were also terrible for your horse drawn wagon in 1743!
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Nov 16, 2018 17:46
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Terrible Opinions posted:If you make every city car friendly you end up with Texas. You don't want Texas. Have you ever driven in DC or Manhattan? It’s a loving disaster of epic proportions. Widen every street by three and keep one portion for rail and cover it with a green way.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:48
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I have driven in dc philly Pittsburgh Manhattan! The Bronx queens boston. They are all fine. You just can’t do stupid rural driver poo poo. It might help to limit deliveries to nighttime like in Rome.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:51
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LingcodKilla posted:Have you ever driven in DC or Manhattan? It’s a loving disaster of epic proportions. Widen every street by three and keep one portion for rail and cover it with a green way. This doesn't actually do anything to help traffic, but this is more of a traffic/urban planning thread topic anyway.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:53
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IIRC, Moheno-Daro and Harrappa were planned cities, at least compared to the clusterfucks that Sumerian cities appear to have been.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:59
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euphronius posted:Incredibly racist. I mean I know its you but come on. What is wrong with you? Detroit is a city that is 60% empty. Cam people stop being dumbasses who equates everything to race jesus gently caress
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Nov 16, 2018 18:04
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"Widen streets in downtown so it gets better to drive", an actual opinion expressed by someone in 2018. Lordamercy
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Nov 16, 2018 18:12
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Most cities I've ever been in, could really benefit from investing a lot more in mass transit options rather than road widening. I think one of the worst decisions made in north America, was to remove tramways and the likes.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:14
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Dalael posted:What is wrong with you? Detroit is a city that is 60% empty. Cam people stop being dumbasses who equates everything to race jesus gently caress Mods can I respond or should I let it go I think let it go?
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Nov 16, 2018 18:15
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euphronius posted:Mods can I respond or should I let it go Yes, let it go. Despite what you might mistakenly believe, I am not aware of US cities demographics. When I think of Detroit, I think of Robocop, the failing car industry and the thousands upon thousands of empty homes. It has NOTHING to do with race and people like you who keeps making these types of arguments are really, really off the mark here. Like seriously, if I was such a racist as you claim, I wouldn't have half of my family blocked on facebook and other social media for the constant anti-immigration stance they're taking. Seriously, stop with this poo poo. Stop it.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:19
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Your knowledge of American urban issues is based on Robocop. I mean
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Nov 16, 2018 18:21
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“I’m not racist, I just have no idea what I’m talking about” is certainly one line of defense, I suppose.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:22
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When I think of Paris I think of the parts of Casablanca set there and hoo boy y’all need to kick them nazis out already
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Nov 16, 2018 18:23
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euphronius posted:Mods can I respond or should I let it go Just put that guy on ignore, they've never contributed anything of value and are always starting some nonsense. Truly the Trebonius Gallus of posters.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:24
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No, my knowledge of Detroit is based on articles and pictures that I've read over the years regarding the auto-industry, the empty property and some of the steps Detroit has undertaken over the years to remedy their situation. I just happen to remember that Robocop takes place in Detroit.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:25
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Dalael posted:What is wrong with you? Detroit is a city that is 60% empty. So we need to make over half a million people homeless? What the gently caress, guy who's incapable of understanding Plato's allegories. LingcodKilla posted:Have you ever driven in DC or Manhattan? It’s a loving disaster of epic proportions. Widen every street by three and keep one portion for rail and cover it with a green way. It's your own fault for insisting on driving there. No one drives anymore, it's too crowded! Also DC and Manhattan already have a lot of very wide streets, being built on the idealized forms of triumphal roads in the classical world! Frankly DC relies on that Fanciest Boulevard In The Empire shtick way too often.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:26
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fishmech posted:So we need to make over half a million people homeless? What the gently caress, guy who's incapable of understanding Plato's allegories. It was a joke. Get over it
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Nov 16, 2018 18:27
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DC was designed to be defensible and difficult for enemies to maneuver in, which it turns out is not great for traffic.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:39
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LingcodKilla posted:Neither of which took in account our current form of movement and are now a disaster.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:49
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HEY GUNS posted:this is why we pollute so much today That is something we do as a gently caress YOU to the Insignians, for the day when they finally rise from the ground to destroy us all
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Nov 16, 2018 18:54
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Senor Dog posted:When I think of Paris I think of the parts of Casablanca set there and hoo boy y’all need to kick them nazis out already
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Nov 16, 2018 18:59
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fishmech posted:Places like the original core of Boston or parts of the original depths of Manhattan are terrible for cars today... but they were also terrible for your horse drawn wagon in 1743!
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Nov 16, 2018 19:00
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Defensive route or toll road (or both)? Like wasn't one of the HRE problems that any idiot could string a chain across a river and charge a toll?
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Nov 16, 2018 19:07
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Lübeck's the same. Only access to the city centre is by one loving bridge, and it's not a big one. Last I heard they were trying to fix it though.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:30
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It’s amazing how young American cities are. I think the oldest one founded by European colonizers is ... San Juan? Mexico City is not that much older. 14th century iirc.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:34
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Tias posted:Lübeck's the same. Only access to the city centre is by one loving bridge, and it's not a big one. Last I heard they were trying to fix it though. When looking at aerial photo's, it looks like there's more than one. I can count at least 3. Are the other ones not used? Also, that gate is beautiful. Was it ever part of a defensive wall or was it more for crowd control/taxes collection?
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Nov 16, 2018 19:35
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I only know this from a mate who lived there, so.. not sure. I think they're in use but just so inefficient that you have to go by the biggest one if you want to make your thing in time. The gate was constructed for military purposes, yes. It was once part of a bigger fortification guarding the citys west approach.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:41
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euphronius posted:It’s amazing how young American cities are. I think the oldest one founded by European colonizers is ... San Juan? the oldest european city in what is now the us is saint augustine
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Nov 16, 2018 19:49
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San Juan is older than st Augustine. I never heard of Acoma though. That’s cool.
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Nov 16, 2018 19:55
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euphronius posted:San Juan is older than st Augustine. quote:I never heard of Acoma though. That’s cool.
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Tree Bucket posted:How many slingers can you have in a formation? I'm picturing a few hundred dudes swinging large rocks around on long ropes, and the potential for accidental brainings seems really really high. I mean, if the guy behind you gets it the slightest bit wrong, say goodbye to the back of your head. From the demos I've seen, slinging doesn't involve as much whirling around one's head as pop culture representations suggest. The motion is closer to pitching a baseball. Plus it's a one-handed action, unlike a bow which requires two, so there's at least room for a buckler-type shield! SKIRMISHERS! 
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HEY GUNS posted:poo poo, my bad San juan is oldest in the US, St Augustine is the oldest in the continental states
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Throwing rolls of tape around the storage room. Had to stop when I dented the drywall. Formed the pouch buy squeezing the ends.  Middle finger is held in by a small eye splice and the release side is a bigger splice I pinch with my thumb and just let slide out on release.
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