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Isn't that the whole point of younger associates?
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I thought the point of younger associates was to throw them under the bus with zero supervision?
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Nov 16, 2018 17:06
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Nice piece of fish posted:Stands to reason. Jews and gas don't mix. DANG blarzgh posted:I ran into a guy at a park while our kids were playing who was an attorney at a local biglaw firm and we got to talking shop. He's in his 8th year of practice and was talking about how excited he was to get to sit second chair at depositions this past year, and what great experience it was. jesus that's depressing
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Nov 16, 2018 17:20
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Things younger associates are good for: 1. Driving me to court/depositions so I can prepare and bill travel time at 100% 2. Sitting and taking notes so I don’t have to 3. Researching poo poo I don’t want to 4. Reviewing medical records so I don’t have to read about some lady’s leaky nipples and genital warts 5. Summarizing depositions that I already took 6. Making binders wrong and then making them again 7. Billing for all of the above so that I have more money
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Nov 16, 2018 17:20
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Things younger associates are good for:
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Nov 16, 2018 17:20
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evilweasel posted:first-chairing depositions is so much better and i never realized how much better, until i told the midlevel second-chairing the deposition "i've only been on this case for a week and don't actually know anything about the guy, so i need the outline you're writing to be so detailed that anyone could take it and do this deposition" First chairing is so much better. The other thing is I like having taken enough testimony to know when someone's lying or being squirrely with me or setting up traps for them. God, it's so good. Seriously, no one takes as much testimony as goddamn family lawyers do.
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Nov 16, 2018 17:53
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nm posted:That provides basically no protection against smoke. I found that out, yes. But I could pretend to be antifa while biking through the apocalypse.
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Nov 16, 2018 18:05
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sullat posted:I found that out, yes. But I could pretend to be antifa while biking through the apocalypse. Me IRL 
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Nov 16, 2018 18:11
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CaptainScraps posted:First chairing is so much better. The other thing is I like having taken enough testimony to know when someone's lying or being squirrely with me or setting up traps for them. God, it's so good. i loving love lying witnesses, they're so much fun and they make trial so loving satisfying i once had a case where our closing statement was mostly putting up slides of the plaintiff's testimony, and then his testimony being directly contradicted by his own expert (who we'd deposed before he apparently fully understood what parts of his industry he was supposed to play dumb about).
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Nov 16, 2018 18:25
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Jesus 8 years and has done nothing? gently caress i’m less than a month in, i make court appearances almost daily, and i’m arguing three different motions on monday.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:05
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I also seem to judge other attorneys on whether or not they can tie a proper double windsor cause that’s the only knot someone should be using.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:07
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Mr. Nice! posted:I also seem to judge other attorneys on whether or not they can tie a proper double windsor cause that’s the only knot someone should be using. You sound short.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:13
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Anyone doing anything more than the most basic tie knot is trying way too hard
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Nov 16, 2018 21:14
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nm posted:You sound short. And skinny.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:15
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Mr. Nice! posted:I also seem to judge other attorneys on whether or not they can tie a proper double windsor cause that’s the only knot someone should be using. Anything that isn't four in hand is way too much effort
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Nov 16, 2018 21:18
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Mr. Nice! posted:I also seem to judge other attorneys on whether or not they can tie a proper double windsor cause that’s the only knot someone should be using. I tie a four step garbage knot and that's all I'm ever going to learn. I wear a tie so rarely that I have to reteach myself every time. I'm gonna start making my own bacon and salami to make up for it though.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:20
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Four in hand means my ties don't end mid-stomach.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:27
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Lazy, Half-Windsor wearers unite.
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Nov 16, 2018 22:05
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"i think this looks right" is the only correct tie knot imo
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Nov 16, 2018 22:07
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Mr. Nice does a double windsor because a double windsor is a sandwich.
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Nov 16, 2018 22:08
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evilweasel posted:"i think this looks right" is the only correct tie knot imo I'm a fan of looking at someone else and saying "this knot looks right, right?" and ignoring their answer
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Nov 16, 2018 22:18
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:I'd defend depos all day for 100k I, too, would play on my phone all day for 100K
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Nov 16, 2018 22:23
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Pook Good Mook posted:Lazy, Half-Windsor wearers unite. We Stand Together Then Sit Down the rest of the time.
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Nov 16, 2018 22:25
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nm posted:You sound short. lmao rack em Look Sir Droids posted:Mr. Nice does a double windsor because a double windsor is a sandwich. I will poo poo in your heart
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Nov 16, 2018 22:34
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Just lol if you wear ties period I imagine it’s required for all you court-appearance-havers tho
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Nov 16, 2018 22:45
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Soothing Vapors posted:
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Nov 16, 2018 22:48
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I kept reading "I will poo poo in your head" and I was like "why would you do that that's mean" But it makes more sense now
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Nov 16, 2018 22:51
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Pratt knot superiority also, I’M FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE from ever having to practice law I interviewed for an analyst job with a major bank awhile back and today I got an offer that pays better than most of management at the PD’s office.
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Nov 16, 2018 22:52
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how much did you throw away on bar prep
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Nov 16, 2018 23:01
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Still taking the bar because I’m a masochist.
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Nov 16, 2018 23:02
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disjoe posted:Just lol if you wear ties period yeah you gotta have a tie or two in your desk drawer for court appearances/settlement conferences/mediations/clients showing up
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Nov 16, 2018 23:04
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Toona the Cat posted:Still taking the bar because I’m a masochist. Don't do this, or if you do don't go through the formalities to become a lawyer. It will signal to your employer that you want to jump ship to practice law at the first opportunity. Even if your direct report knows this isn't the case there is always the risk that someone else with power notices and makes the wrong assumption.
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Nov 16, 2018 23:19
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I only wear a Merovingian knot
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Nov 16, 2018 23:33
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Toona the Cat posted:Still taking the bar because I’m a masochist. Wtf Toona. I mean this in the most respectful way, but I hope you fail. Passing will commit you to a lifetime of CLE requirements, bar/board fees, and maybe professional taxes (although looks like PA doesn't have that).
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Nov 16, 2018 23:43
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Don't loving take the bar you fool. Run, run now. Also just scored a raise, now I can afford a nicer cardboard box in the Bay.
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Nov 16, 2018 23:48
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Mr. Nice! posted:I also seem to judge other attorneys on whether or not they can tie a proper double windsor cause that’s the only knot someone should be using. You are what James Bond refers to as a "cad". This means you are right. Just lol if you don't adjust your tie knot to your face shape and beard.
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Nov 16, 2018 23:50
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Nice piece of fish posted:Just lol if you don't adjust your tie knot to your face shape and beard. Or lack of either
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Nov 16, 2018 23:56
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Alexeythegreat posted:Or lack of either If you don't have a face that's definitely four in hand territory
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Nov 17, 2018 00:03
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Konstantin posted:Don't do this, or if you do don't go through the formalities to become a lawyer. It will signal to your employer that you want to jump ship to practice law at the first opportunity. Even if your direct report knows this isn't the case there is always the risk that someone else with power notices and makes the wrong assumption. Actually, do it and just don't tell them. Easy as heck.
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Learned a double windsor in bootcamp. It was the first tie I ever owned and the only knot I ever learned to tie. It’s fast and easy, and I love symmetry. My only suit is falling apart though. I have to get something new this weekend because I have my second adversarial hearing on monday. This one i’m going to be calling witnesses and doing legit cross of state witnesses. My last one was basically just me vs a probation officer. This is me vs a state attorney that’s been practicing for a few years. that in three weeks i’ll have done more than biglaw people do in years but also  that i’m making 1/3 what they make. And, yeah, i’m 5’7”. Not terribly tall. I used to be taller but i’ve lost an inch to back and hip issues over the years.
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