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Never criticize a politician because you will only help worse politicians thereby. Mmmm this boot leather tastes so gooooood
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VitalSigns posted:Never criticize a politician because you will only help worse politicians thereby. Literally no one is saying not to criticize Democrats, you blubbering, straw-man-creating baby. Criticize them every drat day of the week and twice a day during primary season, but then go loving vote for them when the other option is a guy who supports the Trump agenda twice burned ice fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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Pure class, that president of ours
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jesus christ. i mean know spec ops dudes are usually hosed up and such, but they arnt loving mister blonde. did he get sent to jail? because NYT is demanding money so i can't see.
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chuck schumer is the enemy. Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-Wall Street) quote:It’s true that Schumer doesn’t follow the Wall Street line in every single case. He voted for the 2010 Dodd-Frank bill, for instance. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/chuck-schumer-bernie-sanders-financial-industry-fundraising/
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There's little reason to raise income taxes on the lower 80% unless it's for programs that directly benefit the lower 80%, but that rule is still terribly stupid. The income tax rule is bad just because it creates an unnecessary strategic impediment, even if it's strictly interpreted as income tax and thus wouldn't necessarily affect programs like M4A. Like, what's the true purpose? It's not going to carry a message into the next election, nobody really is going to give a poo poo about rules adopted now. If taxes change because you introduced a new payroll tax to cover M4A, then it probably is more of an albatross than anything - "they said they wouldn't raise taxes, but then they found a loophole!"
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The funny thing about the Acosta ruling to me is that the judge appears to have basically ruled Acosta pulled a Trump / air bud: "there was no rule saying he couldn't keep the mike, and you can't kick him out without a rule." i look forward to the WH making a list of decorum rules and then immediately losing in court next time because they deviated from those rules.
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I'm super surprised no one has brought up this: https://twitter.com/cat_trucker/status/950556561037959168 And connected the dots. It's super obvious, people!
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twice burned ice posted:Literally no one is saying not to criticize Democrats, you blubbering, straw-man-creating baby. Skex posted:You still end up signal boosting their cause which was my argument against directing Dems are Bad ire at the better Dems (and frankly yes Pelosi is one of the better Dems as should be obvious now that your seeing where the attacks are coming from). You only end up weakening the Dems closer to your position and helping those further away. 
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:There's little reason to raise income taxes on the lower 80% unless it's for programs that directly benefit the lower 80%, but that rule is still terribly stupid. The income tax rule is bad just because it creates an unnecessary strategic impediment, even if it's strictly interpreted as income tax and thus wouldn't necessarily affect programs like M4A. Like, what's the true purpose? It's not going to carry a message into the next election, nobody really is going to give a poo poo about rules adopted now. If taxes change because you introduced a new payroll tax to cover M4A, then it probably is more of an albatross than anything - "they said they wouldn't raise taxes, but then they found a loophole!" This is a good point. I didn't factor in a possible M4A payroll tax change and the loophole language messaging.
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Skex posted:You still end up signal boosting their cause which was my argument against directing Dems are Bad ire at the better Dems (and frankly yes Pelosi is one of the better Dems as should be obvious now that your seeing where the attacks are coming from). You only end up weakening the Dems closer to your position and helping those further away. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/nancy-pelosi-just-endorsed-a-congressman-who-opposes-abortion-and-gay-rights/ quote:Elected Democrats—including New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand and fellow Chicago-area Rep. Jan Schakowsky—have waded into the primary to back Newman. And in an unusual step for a race with a Democratic incumbent, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee had declined to endorse Lipinski. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/dan-lipinski-nancy-pelosi-speaker-house-representatives-congress/ quote:U.S. Rep. Dan Lipinski on Wednesday said he will not back Nancy Pelosi for speaker of the House unless she agrees to a series of rules changes to make it easier to bring bipartisan legislation to the floor and other reforms. That the only defense you can give her even now is that at least she's better that a blue dog is a damning indictment of her and proves that the criticism of her from the left has been right all along. MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:anyone with democratic house members should be calling them to bitch about it Thanks for the reminder. I'm still so used to our reps having no power in the house that it completely slipped my mind that this was an option.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The funny thing about the Acosta ruling to me is that the judge appears to have basically ruled Acosta pulled a Trump / air bud: "there was no rule saying he couldn't keep the mike, and you can't kick him out without a rule." My understanding of the amount of due process required here is that if they'd merely sent him a letter saying "Your press pass has been revoked for being disruptive." that alone would likely have been enough to prevent this kind of challenge- and it DEFINITELY would've been enough to stop this challenge if it included a sentence saying that there was some procedure to appeal.
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enraged_camel posted:I'm super surprised no one has brought up this: No you big dummy! It was HAARP.
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Skex posted:Also I love how people like to get all pissed at Pelosi for not picking losing fights, Take impeachment of Bush. Yes it was the right thing to do ethically and morally, however it was never going to succeed because of the The hits Republicans took for repeatedly invoking impeachment talk were never overcome
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Oh, oh  It'll be hilarious if this causes Trump to stop nominating judges altogether, because he can't find a loyal judge, at least until they clone Mary Trump.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:here's a play in two acts for you: lol I can't even believe it's stupidity at this point, it's so so obvious that the establishment wants blue dogs winning primaries so they can go "oh gee we just can't get the votes for gay rights and healthcare. again!"
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A lovely ballot again  I wonder how many votes come from having the Republican always the first name in the list. It's a big state. The legislature changed it for a reason. Shimrra Jamaane posted:In retrospect I’m really glad that McCain held onto his Senate seat for so long even when he was clearly incapable because based on how tight the election was for the one open seat I highly doubt the Dems would have picked up two. There would have been a lot of dumbass split ballot “balance” voters and the prospect of having to defend two seats may have encouraged additional Republican turnout. So yeah, we’re going to need that seat in 2020. And the next Secretary of State will likely be a Democrat. nine-gear crow posted:I haven’t had the initiative to go check on my own, but I wonder how the #Persistance weirdo who was literally Gay For Trump has handled the singe biggest Republican elector defeat since Watergate? Did he spin it into a “well, look at this one seat Republicans flipped red—AND ONLY THIS SEAT, IGNORE THE REST OF THE COUNTRY!” or has he slipped into depression over it? By deceiving his followers: https://twitter.com/scottpresler/status/1059995742562074624 Shifty Pony posted:I think he's just an absolute poo poo-smear of a human who recently figured out he can be himself with no repercussions. McCain was the parent forcing him to take drags on  Now that he's dead, Trump is the new dad forcing him to drink  You have to be extremely insecure for John McCain's weak-rear end tut-tut shaming to work on you.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Nancy Pelosi is a loving idiot and if there aren't any progressives in the House with the cachet to replace her now that she's nearly one-thousand years old, I consider that a failure of leadership on her part. I don't give a gently caress what she did for the ACA in the House ten years ago - she's been a disaster for the Democrats since then. there are plenty of progressives that would do a great job in her place - Lee and Grijalva being the obvious choices - they just don't oppose her, but go ahead and erase them just because you want to more thoroughly declare "dems bad" for the one thousandth time in this thread
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Chilichimp posted:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ted Lieu, Mazie Hirono, Daniel Inouye, Sam Hayakawa......
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Ague Proof posted:A lovely ballot again In Alabama the Democrat was listed first in every contest, didn't seem to make a difference
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eke out posted:My understanding of the amount of due process required here is that if they'd merely sent him a letter saying "Your press pass has been revoked for being disruptive." that alone would likely have been enough to prevent this kind of challenge- and it DEFINITELY would've been enough to stop this challenge if it included a sentence saying that there was some procedure to appeal. I think they probably needed to 1) not send out a doctored video as the initial basis for the revocation, because that just looks bad 2) Have some sort of rules about press decorum that they could then claim Acosta didn't follow Thing is they have lots of rules about passes for security reasons and there is prior law and a federal regulation saying if you take away a pass for security reasons there has to be notice and appeal and a specific process has to be followed with timelines etc. This was taking away a pass because they felt like it, without following any of those security rules. So they need to 1) make rules for non-security-based revocations of passes, and 2) have a process to appeal decisions under those rules.
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eke out posted:there are plenty of progressives that would do a great job in her place - Lee and Grijalva being the obvious choices - they just don't oppose her, but go ahead and erase them just because you want to more thoroughly declare "dems bad" for the one thousandth time in this thread
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VitalSigns posted:Never criticize a politician because you will only help worse politicians thereby. Oh please the attacks directed at Democrats from the Dems are bad Brigade aren't criticism, they're just attacks. No one says don't criticize politicians but a criticism would be something like this "while I understand the motivation behind your desire to try X I feel that it undermines our cause and you should reconsider" that's a criticism. The Dems are bad line of attack is "all democrats are horrible unless they hold positions 100% in alignment with my views and any compromise at all is totally unacceptable no matter what the cost.". The Dems are bad brigade have been all Pelosi has to go for months in this thread (years really) even though people like myself have been saying all along that the only attacks coming from her are from the Right in the party and that she is a progressive even if you find her to be too compromising she's still a better choice than whoever Steny loving Hoyer is going to be pushing. The first clue should have been that all of the names that leftists were tossing up to replace her are Pelosi's strongest allies and supporters. I mean seriously Waters? Those two have been thick as thieves longer than many of the posters on this thread have been alive. Waters will have Nancy's back period and if you ever thought anything differently you haven't paid as much attention to politics as you think that you have. Barbara Lee is also a long time ally (they have been in that same California delegation for 20 years and fellow member of the Progressive Cuacus) and unlikely to consider a bid to replace Pelosi (I mean seriously no one else wants that loving job except for the idiots who want to move the party back to the right) because it's a thankless job that you have to compromise in in order to accomplish anything. Also she's on the old side to be a good candidate to take over in 2020 when the Dems will really need a new speaker. The problem with the left being on this whole "Pelosi bad need new blood" train for the speakership is that it has emboldened the Blue Dogs by allowing them to latch onto that mood and hijack the energy and sentiment. Part of the effort to elect better Democrats has to be having their backs when they need it. Because the best way to keep a politician from compromising away something important is to make sure they are politically secure enough that they can stand by those principles.
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Groovelord Neato posted:chuck schumer is the enemy. Would love to see chuck gently caress off forever
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eke out posted:there are plenty of progressives that would do a great job in her place - Lee and Grijalva being the obvious choices - they just don't oppose her, but go ahead and erase them just because you want to more thoroughly declare "dems bad" for the one thousandth time in this thread Rather than just dismissing that post as "dems bad" maybe consider then that if Pelosi is refusing to step down and let them take over, that in itself could be a bad leadership choice by Pelosi. Refusing to step aside when the time is right is a classic example of bad leadership.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I think they probably needed to i don't disagree with any of this - just making the point that the actual amount of process required to take away press passes is minimal. i think the judge this morning left it open to the point that they could potentially even do it without additional rulemaking, though I could def be wrong on that point. it's just another example of sheer malevolent incompetence working against them, when a smarter-but-equally-evil administration could probably successfully get away with it
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Skex posted:Oh please the attacks directed at Democrats from the Dems are bad Brigade aren't criticism, they're just attacks. No one says don't criticize politicians but a criticism would be something like this "while I understand the motivation behind your desire to try X I feel that it undermines our cause and you should reconsider" that's a criticism. The Dems are bad line of attack is "all democrats are horrible unless they hold positions 100% in alignment with my views and any compromise at all is totally unacceptable no matter what the cost.".
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Kale posted:Ted Lieu, Mazie Hirono, Daniel Inouye, Sam Hayakawa...... My mostly worthless rep Doris Matsui.
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Skex posted:Oh please the attacks directed at Democrats from the Dems are bad Brigade aren't criticism, they're just attacks. No one says don't criticize politicians but a criticism would be something like this "while I understand the motivation behind your desire to try X I feel that it undermines our cause and you should reconsider" that's a criticism. The Dems are bad line of attack is "all democrats are horrible unless they hold positions 100% in alignment with my views and any compromise at all is totally unacceptable no matter what the cost." You don’t think voluntarily bringing back PAYGO is bad?
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Skex posted:Oh please the attacks directed at Democrats from the Dems are bad Brigade aren't criticism, they're just attacks. No one says don't criticize politicians but a criticism would be something like this "while I understand the motivation behind your desire to try X I feel that it undermines our cause and you should reconsider" that's a criticism. The Dems are bad line of attack is "all democrats are horrible unless they hold positions 100% in alignment with my views and any compromise at all is totally unacceptable no matter what the cost.". Why this bad faith attempt to declare that any leftwing criticism of Pelosi is an illegitimate attack and not valid criticism? Also you contradict yourself in the first two paragraphs pretty hard. Are all the attacks actually secretly from the right or are all the leftists attacking her and refusing to offer valid criticisms?
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The PelosiBad Chat never seems to manage to suggest any better alternative candidate Last time I asked that question the best answer I got was Barbara Lee and Barbara Lee doesn't want to be speaker. Until there's a candidate better than Pelosi willing to run against Pelosi, Pelosi's the best we got. Turns out America has a shortage of good politicians! Who knew?
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Trabisnikof posted:Rather than just dismissing that post as "dems bad" maybe consider then that if Pelosi is refusing to step down and let them take over, that in itself could be a bad leadership choice by Pelosi. Maybe consider that stepping aside when challenged by the right wing of the party, when those same people wouldn't vote for any other progressive at Speaker, is idiotic and would be a massive failure in leadership if it left the party with one of those blue dogs running it.
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Skex posted:Oh please the attacks directed at Democrats from the Dems are bad Brigade aren't criticism, they're just attacks. No one says don't criticize politicians but a criticism would be something like this "while I understand the motivation behind your desire to try X I feel that it undermines our cause and you should reconsider" that's a criticism. The Dems are bad line of attack is "all democrats are horrible unless they hold positions 100% in alignment with my views and any compromise at all is totally unacceptable no matter what the cost.". I don't think any House Democrats are reading my posts so it's ok trust me nothing we say here is going to put Steny Hoyer in charge of the House
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