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Trabisnikof posted:This is a really pathetic and bad faith take. What are you even talking about What does it have to do with my original post What do you think you're demonstrating
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Here's your hilariously close election of the cycle. I hadn't heard of a tie yet. https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1063520099401912321
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Ghetto SuperCzar posted:It seems odd to me that there are no willing alternatives. Is it just that everyone has presidential ambitions and know the position will essentially kill that? Are they scared of retribution? Is there just no one else that wants to lead? Honestly it's a poo poo job that no one really wants, you can't do it without being willing to compromise, you have to be tactful and master sufficient  that you don't strangle some stupid caucus member on a regular basis and you'll get all the blame for everything that goes wrong and none of the credit for what does get done because it's invariably going to be some compromised crap that makes no one entirely happy. Oh yeah and kiss any aspirations for a Senate Seat or the Presidency goodbye because that necessity to compromise is going to screw over your election prospects. You also have to be willing to push through bills that you personally object too because it's the will of your stupid caucus or some other pragmatic reason.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:
I like AOC a lot, and she'll be around a long time, but she's not representative of a sea change, and demographic changes were a huge part of her victory. That's not to criticize demographic changes - I think it's very good that her district's Rep looks and thinks like those she represents.
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Nov 16, 2018 20:57
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Dapper_Swindler posted:jesus christ. i mean know spec ops dudes are usually hosed up and such, but they arnt loving mister blonde. did he get sent to jail? because NYT is demanding money so i can't see. Yes, he's in pretrial confinement because he tried to intimidate witnesses. He's been charged with premeditated murder, attempted murder, and some other stuff - they expect it to go to trial next year. He's accused of stabbing to death a teenage ISIS fighter who other SEALs were attempting to save. He and some others in his platoon posed with the body and he held the teenager's head up with one hand and a hunting knife in the other. His lawyer said that these types of photos have been in every Iraq case he has done so yikes. That quoted excerpt in the tweet makes him sound like Amon Göth.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:00
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lol @ "people only want to talk about the House wherein the results were better than most eras" no poo poo. two loving senate seats when you already had a majority isn't a major deal when on the other hand the entire House crushed your majority and now hold the keys to curbstomp all of your dreams
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Nov 16, 2018 21:04
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theflyingorc posted:The people who actually work with her think she's amazingly good at her job That depends on what you consider her job to be. I happen to think she's poo poo at her job.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:06
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:AOC showing up in her office was a pre-cleared photo op, and both expressed their support for the other during that. For all her faults, this isn't one. It's almost as if many of these Dems are a Waste attacks aren't entirely in good faith. Trabisnikof posted:What's the point of saying "Republicans evil!" over and over again when we all agree on that? What's the point of "Dems are a Waste" over and over again? It's not like any of the Dems are a waste brigade ever offer any actual answers to the problem (which remains vote for the best/leastbad candidate in every race). MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Pelosi, who went out of her way to help a conservative Democrat (who is now voting against her for speaker) fend off a primary challenge from the left, when she could have at least just remained neutral, and who immediately did everything she could to distance herself and her party from the youngest woman ever elected to Congress - a woman who is now widely regarded as the future of the party - is not, in any sense: ideologically, politically, pragmatically, equipped or even inclined to prepare real progressives in the House for anything. Um I'm not sure how you define a single 3 word answer to an off the cuff question as going out of her way, but I ask again, are there any Democratic incumbents that she didn't endorse? Seems like an important and relevant question when it comes to your argument here.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:09
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mcmagic posted:That depends on what you consider her job to be. I happen to think she's poo poo at her job. Neat when did you start working with her
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Nov 16, 2018 21:09
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eke out posted:yeah they said it's supposed to be private now - after Comey previously saying he'd happily come again, but only if it was public Although wouldn't the Democratic controlled committee just be able to release the transcript in January
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Nov 16, 2018 21:09
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theflyingorc posted:Neat when did you start working with her This just in you can't criticize the job Donald Trump is doing if you don't work in the White House
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Nov 16, 2018 21:11
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VitalSigns posted:This just in you can't criticize the job Donald Trump is doing if you don't work in the White House I know you're on the hunt for bootlickers right now but it's almost like my post was made in a specific context
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Nov 16, 2018 21:13
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mcmagic posted:That depends on what you consider her job to be. I happen to think she's poo poo at her job. I consider her job to be speaker of the house and caucus leader, her job is to herd cats and try to pass legislation to keep the government functioning and ideally to make life better for the citizens. And given the circumstances she has to work under she does a good job. What do you consider it to be?
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Skex posted:I consider her job to be speaker of the house and caucus leader, her job is to herd cats and try to pass legislation to keep the government functioning and ideally to make life better for the citizens. And given the circumstances she has to work under she does a good job. I mean she can do that by just saying "gently caress you" and "no" to anything that comes through the door that doesn't have "DEMOCRAT" at the top of it. The fact is that it's what the Republicans did and it obviously has not hurt them one loving bit.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:19
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Nov 16, 2018 21:20
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https://twitter.com/Kherman112/status/1063290474910236673a.lo posted:he was in the youth police officer program too What was his Reddit account? https://twitter.com/egavactip/status/1063469426270453760
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Nov 16, 2018 21:22
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Skex posted:Were there any incumbent Democrats that she didn't endorse? Dan Lipinski represents IL-3, a D+6 district, there was no chance of it going GOP even without incumbency advantage. Skex posted:also do you really believe that her endorsement swung that primary? 
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Josef bugman posted:I mean she can do that by just saying "gently caress you" and "no" to anything that comes through the door that doesn't have "DEMOCRAT" at the top of it. The fact is that it's what the Republicans did and it obviously has not hurt them one loving bit. Yeah, I remember the red wave from last week. Brutal stuff.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:23
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VitalSigns posted:Dan Lipinski represents IL-3, a D+6 district, there was no chance of it going GOP even without incumbency advantage. He was the one running against the actual Illinois Nazi. Lipinski is also pretty openly anti-lgbt.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:24
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Skex posted:I consider her job to be speaker of the house and caucus leader, her job is to herd cats and try to pass legislation to keep the government functioning and ideally to make life better for the citizens. And given the circumstances she has to work under she does a good job. That is part of it. She's very good at vote counting internally herding cats. I would also add Develop winning strategies for getting and maintaining political power. Move the caucus in the right direction policy wise. Effectively craft a national democratic message that wins electorally. She's terrible at everything but the first.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:25
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1063517548258447361 He's really sticking with utter denial for his coping mechanism. Really looking forward to this epic win for him and the GOP resulting in his taxes being leaked and investigations reignited.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:26
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theflyingorc posted:VitalSigns you can't possibly be this stupid The context of selective double standards for criticizing politicians you like versus politicians you don't?
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Nov 16, 2018 21:27
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MadJackal posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1063517548258447361 Le epic victory!!!111 If only the public had access to this information
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Nov 16, 2018 21:27
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https://twitter.com/NaomiAKlein/status/1063522959690788865 for any talks of Pelosi's great legacy
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Nov 16, 2018 21:30
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haha even a cap-and-trade bill written by the fossil fuel industry was still too much of an affront to the fossil fuel industry for the Senate Dems we're all gonna die lol
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Nov 16, 2018 21:32
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VitalSigns posted:Dan Lipinski represents IL-3, a D+6 district, there was no chance of it going GOP even without incumbency advantage. It's all the more egregious because Lipinski is anti-abortion and the prototypical evil "blue dog" democrat
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Nov 16, 2018 21:34
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mcmagic posted:That is part of it. She's very good at vote counting internally herding cats. I would also add Develop winning strategies for getting and maintaining political power. Move the caucus in the right direction policy wise. Effectively craft a national democratic message that wins electorally. She's terrible at everything but the first. We just had the most massive wave in generations in a year without a Democrat president, so she was going to get more of the blame than usual if they did poorly. Is that just 100% Trump and Pelosi gets no credit at all? During the Obama years, he was the head of the party, you gotta go back to GWB's 2 mid-terms before you can look for places to start blaming her for failures.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:36
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Skex posted:What's the point of "Dems are a Waste" over and over again? It's not like any of the Dems are a waste brigade ever offer any actual answers to the problem (which remains vote for the best/leastbad candidate in every race). ... Political action involves more than voting. Activism is about more than electing a representative, but getting the representatives to do what you want. While some of this is just people blowing off steam on the internet, there's nothing to be gained from just letting Democrats do whatever the gently caress they want because they don't have power, because eventually they will.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:37
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When Chuck Schumer has to invent an imaginary ideal of the average voter in his head to interrogate about what politics should be, it's even more important to yell at these people
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Nov 16, 2018 21:39
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Munkeymon posted:Yeah, I remember the red wave from last week. Brutal stuff. But they still have what they want as a party. "More Money for Us, gently caress you". They are going to have control over the SC for the next 20+ years too, maybe the senate for a similar amount of time. It also doesn't hurt to motivate ones base beyond "we aren't the other guys".
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Long overdue dog tax: Photos of dogs trying to catch treats > https://www.boredpanda.com/dogs-cat...ampaign=organic  EDIT: https://twitter.com/RalstonReports/status/1063531582667972608 Dick Trauma fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Nov 16, 2018 |
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Nov 16, 2018 21:47
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Skex posted:What's the point of "Dems are a Waste" over and over again? It's not like any of the Dems are a waste brigade ever offer any actual answers to the problem (which remains vote for the best/leastbad candidate in every race). It doesnt accomplish anything. Much like the democrats 
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MadJackal posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1063517548258447361 He didn't call it a red wave. Very low effort.
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Nov 16, 2018 21:57
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Madkal posted:He didn't call it a red wave. Very low effort. Red wave always makes me think of the first couple days of a menstrual period, which is kinda funny considering how much that stuff freaks Republicans out.
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VitalSigns posted:Dan Lipinski represents IL-3, a D+6 district, there was no chance of it going GOP even without incumbency advantage. Doesn't answer either of my questions. First were there any incumbent democrats who Pelosi didn't support? This is an important question because if there weren't then it pretty much confirms that she did her job as minority leader in supporting elected Democrats regardless of their individual platforms rather than it being any sign of her ideological preferences. As to the other question, given that as best I can find her endorsement was pretty much a perfunctory "yes I do" when asked if she supported him was he running adds highlighting her support? Was she stumping for him? Or was the race just one that the lovely constituency picked the shittier candidate? The fact that it was a close primary doesn't necessarily argue that the absence of her perfunctory endorsement would have swayed the election against him. I'm not saying that she's perfect and doesn't deserve criticism I'm saying cherry picking particular instances where you consider that she made a bad choice without paying attention to the context in which those "bad" choices were made paints a distorted picture and leads me to question whether the argument is being presented in good faith.
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Nov 16, 2018 22:00
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Lucania posted:Yes, he's in pretrial confinement because he tried to intimidate witnesses. He's been charged with premeditated murder, attempted murder, and some other stuff - they expect it to go to trial next year. how the gently caress did he get past the screening. like yeah gently caress the cult of the operator and filled with chud types and all that, but usually these dudes get found out and drummed out pretty quick. the military doesn't like its human weapons go batshit. MadJackal posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1063517548258447361 yeah. he is desperate for any kind of win. sure the chuds don't mind but the other GOP types do.
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