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AnoHito
May 8, 2014

SlothfulCobra posted:

I wonder if they have some kind of mechanic to represent how the Jews refused to pay tribute to Roman gods.

Didn't the Romans just carve out an exception for the Jews specifically to avoid this being a problem?

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CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

AnoHito posted:

Didn't the Romans just carve out an exception for the Jews specifically to avoid this being a problem?

Depends on the Emperor. Nero famously pissed them off by demanding a statue of him be put in their temple, which the local ruler did everything he could to delay until he lost interest.

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

Heraclea Pontica seems like it would make an interesting game.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

They carved up huge chunks of the jewish population in retaliation for their revolts, if that's what you mean.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

It also mesmerizes me because of how some really tiny states could wield so much power/have such a profound effect. And how some of these huge states existed almost entirely on cult of personality.

It's kind of a trick of maps. More important states tend to have more people in them regardless of the size of the territory they claim, while states that claim lots of territory kinda can't maintain themselves without some kind of cult of personality keeping the entire ruling class slavishly devoted to staying on the same page.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


axeil posted:

Does it allow new religions to pop up? Mystery cults and other new religions were popping up all the time in late Antiquity. If you can't have Christianity or something like it start up that'd be disappointing.

the mystery cults were an imperial phenomenon, and also were a huge mix of syncretic weirdness that would be hard to represent without stateless pop-level religions

basically not in scope for imperator, at least unless they extend the timeline

AnoHito posted:

Didn't the Romans just carve out an exception for the Jews specifically to avoid this being a problem?

only after several bloody revolts and even then they ended up diaspora-ing the Jewish population after yet another bloody revolt, and treating Christianity as a weird Judaic-offshoot bogeyman

it's hard to overstate how much the romans hated hardline monotheists. they were okay with folks that just had one god, as long as they recognized the existence of other gods, but declaring that your god was the god was beyond the pale since it denied the legitimacy of others' beliefs, and most importantly, the legitimacy of the imperial cult

Jazerus fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Nov 12, 2018

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

shame religion seems to be a binary thing. I was hoping since all the religions, save one or two, are polytheistic that there might have been a way to incorporate local gods into your pantheon, like epona in rome.

who am I kidding, I just wanna lead massalia to greatness and don't want a lot of obstacles in my path on the way to it.

Perpetual Hiatus
Oct 29, 2011

I'm just starting with Warlock II, I'd love a pointer on where to find a good basic guide... I don't play many strategy games and this seems to be perfect for me, I just want to cruise around smashing things (I mean conquering) and having fun being a sub-optimal player. I'd just prefer to have a bit better grasp of the basics without sinking too many extra hours into dumb projects.

Pacho
Jun 9, 2010
I wonder if religions shape up policies like in CK2. It makes sense that a matriarchal religion allows more women in the politics of the realm (I really want my alt-history Witch Queendom)

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Pacho posted:

I wonder if religions shape up policies like in CK2. It makes sense that a matriarchal religion allows more women in the politics of the realm (I really want my alt-history Witch Queendom)

These are two of the doctrine picks you can take when reforming a religion in Holy Fury:




It'd be cool to see something similar in Imperator, yeah.

Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Nov 13, 2018

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

Perpetual Hiatus posted:

I'm just starting with Warlock II, I'd love a pointer on where to find a good basic guide... I don't play many strategy games and this seems to be perfect for me, I just want to cruise around smashing things (I mean conquering) and having fun being a sub-optimal player. I'd just prefer to have a bit better grasp of the basics without sinking too many extra hours into dumb projects.

If you've played any of the more recent Civilization games (say, Civ IV or later), then you will feel right at home. It's very much a fantasy Civilization. But there's a very big focus on individual units, each one is much more valuable than your standard Civ warriors/archers/etc. It's pretty important to keep them alive and keep gaining EXP with them. It helps if you have a way to heal them, so it's not a bad idea to take Agrela as patron goddess at the start, or research a healing spell relatively soon. And just start with the human faction, they are the usual standard choice. The game is not too difficult at the easier settings. Just be careful before opening portals to other worlds, do that only once you have your first plane fully under control. And be prepared for much stronger monsters to be lurking on the other side.

Groogy
Jun 12, 2014

Tanks are kinda wasted on invading the USSR

Chuck Buried Treasure posted:

Heraclea Pontica seems like it would make an interesting game.

That's the last remnant of the Achaemenid dynasty if memory serves me right.
Looking forward to restoring the true empire in Imperator myself as well.

Lum_
Jun 5, 2006
Only of tangential relevance, but if you've followed the White Wolf follies at all (essentially the new Vampire the Masquerade reboot kept flirting with alt-right edgelordiness), Paradox today reminded everyone very forcefully who actually owns the company.

quote:

My name is Shams Jorjani, VP of Business Development at Paradox Interactive and interim manager at White Wolf Publishing. I wanted to inform you of some changes that will be implemented at White Wolf, starting immediately.

quote:

In practical terms, White Wolf will no longer function as a separate entity. The White Wolf team will be restructured and integrated directly into Paradox Interactive.

quote:

Going forward, White Wolf will focus on brand management. This means White Wolf will develop the guiding principles for its vision of the World of Darkness, and give licensees the tools they need to create new, excellent products in this story world. White Wolf will no longer develop and publish these products internally.

https://www.white-wolf.com/newsblog/a-message-from-white-wolf?fbclid=IwAR3ANz4NAcfPl3ikYxvgZIiOiQ_ZwnU7UnS1MLdrijrKDRgJBgbcEUc9fCk

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

Lum_ posted:

Only of tangential relevance, but if you've followed the White Wolf follies at all (essentially the new Vampire the Masquerade reboot kept flirting with alt-right edgelordiness), Paradox today reminded everyone very forcefully who actually owns the company.

https://www.white-wolf.com/newsblog/a-message-from-white-wolf?fbclid=IwAR3ANz4NAcfPl3ikYxvgZIiOiQ_ZwnU7UnS1MLdrijrKDRgJBgbcEUc9fCk

Sheesh, that's pretty brutal.

Lum_
Jun 5, 2006

Torrannor posted:

Sheesh, that's pretty brutal.

And also (imho) entirely called for and necessary. "Toxic" doesn't begin to cover edgelordy crap like this.

Cynic Jester
Apr 11, 2009

Let's put a simile on that face
A dazzling simile
Twinkling like the night sky

Lum_ posted:

And also (imho) entirely called for and necessary. "Toxic" doesn't begin to cover edgelordy crap like this.

That's subtle, real subtle.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

What was the chechnya chapter that the blog post refers to

Lum_
Jun 5, 2006

VostokProgram posted:

What was the chechnya chapter that the blog post refers to

Ramzan Kadryov is literally a vampire and the concentration camps for gays are a "diversion".

Yeah.

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

VostokProgram posted:

What was the chechnya chapter that the blog post refers to

Basically Vampires are behind the ongoing(?) pogrom of LGBT people in Chechnya.

OctaviusBeaver
Apr 30, 2009

Say what now?
I wish Paradox had made another VtM RPG instead of writing terrible books

Lum_
Jun 5, 2006
btw, part of why the hammer was so heavy is that, um, this is an actual news story in Russia

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3800037
https://tass.ru/obschestvo/5798487

quote:

"This is the shameless behavior of various dealers who deceive people with illusions. We are in a state of information war. I do not exclude – and this probability is large enough – that we will apply to the courts," Umarov said. A negative mention of Chechnya, the minister said, appeared in the game due to the fact that the republic consistently upholds traditional values ​​and explicitly expresses "its position on depravity and licentiousness."

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Lum_ posted:

btw, part of why the hammer was so heavy is that, um, this is an actual news story in Russia

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3800037
https://tass.ru/obschestvo/5798487

i mean chechnya is hardly the first part of earth to receive the "this is a savage vampire land of exotic mysteries" treatment in the world of darkness, even new york and quebec are hellholes in weird vampire alternate earth

but doesn't that just say everything you really need to know about white wolf's writers anyway?

Jazerus fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Nov 16, 2018

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Jazerus posted:

i mean chechnya is hardly the first part of earth to receive the "this is a savage vampire land of exotic mysteries" treatment in the world of darkness, even new york and quebec are hellholes in weird vampire alternate earth

but doesn't that just say everything you really need to know about white wolf's writers anyway?

Yeah but that's typical "seedy underbelly" stuff. It's quite a lot different when you claim that real world, modern day genocides are actually being guided by your fictional magical people who are the protagonists of your setting.

Like, at one point White Wolf very famously made a Demon module set in WW2 that very explicitly made the point that the holocaust was entirely the result of human evil, because to try to work it into the story as some kind of secret society thing would basically be like saying "it wasn't actually the Nazi's fault".

I guess those writers weren't still working at White Wolf when it came time to write the new stuff.

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014

Lum_ posted:

btw, part of why the hammer was so heavy is that, um, this is an actual news story in Russia

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3800037
https://tass.ru/obschestvo/5798487

Lmao, gently caress these assholes

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles
I never thought I'd see the day where a publishing company:
buys up the creators of a product I enjoyed,
strips them of all their creative independence,
shuts them down as a seperate entity and merges them into the larger company,
publicly declares that their intent from now on is to license out the IP to others rather than doing in house development,

and my reaction to that would be "thank god".

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Whatever happened to the game between uhhh, the current fiasco and when it was last relevant t and good? (I.e. between the release of the pissed of Christoff game and the one that glitches out in the Society of Leopold infiltration)

Fintilgin
Sep 29, 2004

Fintilgin sweeps!

Lum_ posted:

And also (imho) entirely called for and necessary. "Toxic" doesn't begin to cover edgelordy crap like this.



Yikes. Wow.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Reveilled posted:

I never thought I'd see the day where a publishing company:
buys up the creators of a product I enjoyed,
strips them of all their creative independence,
shuts them down as a seperate entity and merges them into the larger company,
publicly declares that their intent from now on is to license out the IP to others rather than doing in house development,

and my reaction to that would be "thank god".

:whitewolf:

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Whatever happened to the game between uhhh, the current fiasco and when it was last relevant t and good? (I.e. between the release of the pissed of Christoff game and the one that glitches out in the Society of Leopold infiltration)

It had actually ALREADY been bought up by the EVE online company, then they realised their plan for a world of darkness mmo wasn't going to work out so they stopped giving a single gently caress what was going on with it.

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

Reveilled posted:

I never thought I'd see the day where a publishing company:
buys up the creators of a product I enjoyed,
strips them of all their creative independence,
shuts them down as a seperate entity and merges them into the larger company,
publicly declares that their intent from now on is to license out the IP to others rather than doing in house development,

and my reaction to that would be "thank god".

Yes 100% this

Don Gato
Apr 28, 2013

Actually a bipedal cat.
Grimey Drawer
Does this mean there's a chance I'll get new Demon or Wraith books and it won't just be some Nazi adjacent poo poo? Because WW's latest offerings was throwing up some massive red flags and I was worried if they ever got around to my favorite old settings

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Onyx Path are still doing their thing, aren't they? And by all accounts are pretty good at it, Beast notwithstanding.

e: Ahahaha oh wow.

KOGAHAZAN!! fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Nov 17, 2018

AG3
Feb 4, 2004

Ask me about spending hundreds of dollars on Mass Effect 2 emoticons and Avatars.

Oven Wrangler

Reveilled posted:

I never thought I'd see the day where a publishing company:
buys up the creators of a product I enjoyed,
strips them of all their creative independence,
shuts them down as a seperate entity and merges them into the larger company,
publicly declares that their intent from now on is to license out the IP to others rather than doing in house development,

and my reaction to that would be "thank god".

Yeah, this is really the strangest feeling.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Have any dev diaries talked about triumvirates or similar?

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

double nine posted:

Have any dev diaries talked about triumvirates or similar?
For which game?

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

City Skylines

Yaoi Gagarin
Feb 20, 2014


Not content to rest on their laurels after the recent Cities Skylines: Socialism With Chinese Characteristics expansion, Colossal Order now announce the Cities Skylines: Republican Virtues expansion. Features include:

- Triumvirates
- Stabbing your co-consuls to death
- Aqueducts (new transit mechanic)
- Roman legion Chirper theme
- Carthago delenda est

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
I mean, it would be interesting to be making Japanese cities where your officials would be constrained by the beaurocrats and big business in what you could do, but I'm not sure who's fun it would be

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
Actually a city builder that is crossed with CK2: The Conclave is exactly what I have been wanting for a long time. Adding a layer of local politics/political interest groups and city council mechanics would make for a pretty interesting city builder.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Just need a city builder that clutters your screen with mail from the elderly complaining about stuff that's not fixed to their liking yet.

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Zombiepop
Mar 30, 2010

DrSunshine posted:

Actually a city builder that is crossed with CK2: The Conclave is exactly what I have been wanting for a long time. Adding a layer of local politics/political interest groups and city council mechanics would make for a pretty interesting city builder.

Tha would be nice, overall it would be nice with some "hard" city builders. That actually touches upon the human side of urban living, segregation, decay, city council, angry elders etc etc.

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