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brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Motronic posted:

See, they did cure his homelessness.

:prepop:

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Wolfy
Jul 13, 2009

Thanatosian posted:

GoFundMe is the loving worst. The privatization of the social safety net is so fantastically BWM for society. "Well, hope I go viral, or I won't be able to afford chemo this month!"

I loving hate it.
Is it really privatization of the social safety net if there was none to begin with?

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Krispy Wafer posted:

The husband and wife were discussing a book deal so there was additional financial upsides in keep Methy McMeths Alot happy. I don't think they could have squeezed this peach for much more juice, but there could have been another casino trip in it for them.

Ideally you keep homeless guy happy with regular payments until you've exhausted all grifting opportunities and then give him enough drugs to OD. Now your loose ends are tied.

Some people just aren't cut out for a life of crime

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

This is a cursed image. You have harmed me - spiritually, emotionally, to a degree physically. I am haunted.

Wolfy
Jul 13, 2009

Hoodwinker posted:

This is a cursed image. You have harmed me - spiritually, emotionally, to a degree physically. I am haunted.
Not empty quoting this.

dpkg chopra
Jun 9, 2007

Fast Food Fight

Grimey Drawer
I feel like it’s missing something, like her saying she’s gonna use the money to really give this Lularoe thing a go.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

I feel like it’s missing something, like her saying she’s gonna use the money to really give this Lularoe thing a go.

Minions and a bible quote

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

Ur Getting Fatter posted:

I feel like it’s missing something, like her saying she’s gonna use the money to really give this Lularoe thing a go.

It's a man.

He is involved with some kind of protein shake side-business.

Cassius Belli
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited
From the Schadenfreude thread, courtesy of C-SPAM, a case of catastrophic BWM:

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

This guy ran a company called "optionsellers.com" that lost all his client's money this week in energy markets or around $72 million in total:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qGvPRX270A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tFDsL_mwBY

it's at 6:40 btw

Minimum funds to open an account with OptionSellers was $500,000.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Yond Cassius posted:

From the Schadenfreude thread, courtesy of C-SPAM, a case of catastrophic BWM:


Minimum funds to open an account with OptionSellers was $500,000.

Of course he's using boat metaphors the whole time.

Ulf
Jul 15, 2001

FOUR COLORS
ONE LOVE
Nap Ghost
Eventually the term loses meaning.

Row gwave.

Tamarillo
Aug 6, 2009
Most of the viral GoFundMe's (or equivalent) in NZ lately have been for people that either elected not to take out travel insurance or were not up front with their pre-existing conditions and then got up poo poo creek while on holiday. Problem is with our public healthcare covering accidents (including for foreigners to an extent) and a poor understanding of private healthcare some people forget they don't have the same safety net overseas or assume their private healthcare will automatically cover travel too. Medievacs are no friggin joke either, guy I knew ended up with $180k from public donations to cover his medievac and private hospital care in Thailand after he crashed his scooter with no insurance and got a traumatic brain injury. You'd think with the regularity these pop up in our media people would be better informed about taking out travel insurance but the belief it won't happen to them apparently takes precedence.

Papa Was A Video Toaster
Jan 9, 2011





gently caress that. gently caress them. Where's the just world fallacy when you need it?

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004

Thread title lmao

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...
Not the usual posts from Reddit.

"I called a suicide hotline"

Wherein many Reddit posters relate their experience of having the police called by the suicide hotline they just called, to bring them to a hospital, get released (or not), and end up with a massive hospital bill. The takeaway from most of them was "calling the suicide hotline is never ok since they'll just make things worse. If you do call, never say that you're actually suicidal, just that you want someone to talk to."

Calling the suicide hotline: BWM? Discuss.

Volmarias fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Nov 17, 2018

Tokyo Sex Whale
Oct 9, 2012

"My butt smells like vanilla ice cream"

Yond Cassius posted:

From the Schadenfreude thread, courtesy of C-SPAM, a case of catastrophic BWM:


Minimum funds to open an account with OptionSellers was $500,000.

I guess this was just a short natural gas long oil trade and it’s kinda funny that somebody that small got wiped out but I was trying to see what happened exactly and I found this. So they used to have educational videos. Seems like they had to liquidate the YouTube channel to cover expenses though.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Volmarias posted:

Not the usual posts from Reddit.

"I called a suicide hotline"

Wherein many Reddit posters relate their experience of having the police called by the suicide hotline they just called, to bring them to a hospital, get released (or not), and end up with a massive hospital bill. The takeaway from most of them was "calling the suicide hotline is never ok since they'll just make things worse. If you do call, never say that you're actually suicidal, just that you want someone to talk to."

Calling the suicide hotline: BWM? Discuss.

In the very least they should be having their chauffeur’s drive them.

I’m also not going to 100% believe the schizo who has been hospitalized 20+ times was just minding his own business in that one post.

Umister
Dec 24, 2007

Thought I would try contributing to this thread instead of just lurking!

22k in cc debt and not freaking out

quote:

I do the finances in the house and collectively between my wife and I we have 22k in CC Debt. I feel like I should be freaking out but I am not. I am uncomfortable with the CC debt we are in but feel like I made good financial decisions with the Credit Cards at the time.

One card that we used has an 18 month no interest option that we used and pre-paid off our child's school tuition, car insurance and gymnastics for the year which gave us discounts for paying those in full. Each one was about 2 or 3% and roughly put about 9k on that card but saved 300 dollars doing so by paying in advance. We used the remaining to buy some odds and ends things for home repairs and got that card up to 10.5k. The promotional interest rate ends in November of 2019

The next card is our Amazon Prime card which we have about 1.5k on. The card collects about 25 dollars in interest a month and we put about 350 a month onto paying that off. Our annual subscribe and save is on the card which is about 110 dollars.

The card that I get stressed about is our capital one card which has about 11k on it and is collecting the full front of interest. Interest is around 200 a month and we have knocked it down from 13k in the past couple months. We used this card for a Disney trip in which we put about 8k on it. We bought luggage, stuff for the house and a few other odds and ends that put the other 5k on it. Basically we got a balance and went wild beyond Disney. I justified Disney because 8k was not a lot to me and I would have been able to pay that off by March. I also justified Disney because we are so strict with our money and our kid is five and we wanted to give them the full Disney experience.

We figured what point is living if we are going to be debt free by 36 but didn't enjoy the time until then. With the accrued interest during the time frame I think I could have paid the trip back on it was like taking out a loan at 6% interest which wasn't terrible in my mind. I just feel really guilty about having this much CC debt and feel like I hosed us as a family. Budget wise I think we are fine I just cannot get over the soul crushing guilt of Credit Card debt. Maybe I am not fine with my budget I don't know

We are 30 years old and our incomes together are about 110k a year.

Our house we owe 50k left and our mortgage is 700 a month

Bills for electric, cell, cable, water, life insurance, gas are 600 a month

My wife's car is paid off

My car is almost paid off with 8k left on the loan and should be paid off 3 years early.

We have no other outstanding debt other than some student loans that I will have to pay on once I finish grad school

At the end of the day with our bi-weekly paychecks we have about 2k a month to go towards un-budgeted debt/fun/gas/food. I think we are fine but just am not sure.

Hoodwinker
Nov 7, 2005

quote:

We figured what point is living if we are going to be debt free by 36 but didn't enjoy the time until then.
gently caress off, idiot. This binary attitude about debt and savings rustles my loving jimmies.

Enchanted Hat
Aug 18, 2013

Defeated in Diplomacy under suspicious circumstances

Umister posted:

The card that I get stressed about is our capital one card which has about 11k on it and is collecting the full front of interest. Interest is around 200 a month and we have knocked it down from 13k in the past couple months. We used this card for a Disney trip in which we put about 8k on it. We bought luggage, stuff for the house and a few other odds and ends that put the other 5k on it.

This is the part that tells me that that family is hosed.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Read the second paragraph and thought "okay that seems good and reasonable as long as you can stay disciplined?"

Then I kept reading, lol Disney

e: and $5k odds and ends

Cassius Belli
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

Tokyo Sex Whale posted:

I guess this was just a short natural gas long oil trade and it’s kinda funny that somebody that small got wiped out but I was trying to see what happened exactly and I found this. So they used to have educational videos. Seems like they had to liquidate the YouTube channel to cover expenses though.

Oh, man. This is worse than it sounded from the quick soundbyte post.

According to the page some lawyers put together to sue them, OptionSellers customers aren't just broke, they're facing a margin call.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004
Effectively using 0% APR intro offers on credit cards can be great with money if you are disciplined, paying a full interest credit card rate on a Disney vacation is VBWM.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
So they assumed with Iran sanctions that oil would go up, but it went down instead.

It wasn’t a terribly bad call and I’m sure lots of traders lost money this last week, but holy poo poo ALL THE MONEY plus extra?

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Krispy Wafer posted:

So they assumed with Iran sanctions that oil would go up, but it went down instead.

It wasn’t a terribly bad call and I’m sure lots of traders lost money this last week, but holy poo poo ALL THE MONEY plus extra?

he yoloed too much

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004
Tag yourself, I'm the naked options traded on margin

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin
(Not a finance person) if OPEC cuts production and the energy prices go up, are they still hosed?

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Somaen posted:

(Not a finance person) if OPEC cuts production and the energy prices go up, are they still hosed?

Without all the details, it depends. If the margin call happened, their brokerage probably executed a trade on their behalf to staunch the bleeding on their end and keep it from getting even worse. So, even if the price went back, the short position has been traded away, and they're still out.

Naked shorts, not even once.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
Look at the end of the lawyer statement. This may have been IRA accounts, not just another Newport Beach pocket change hedge fund.

Harry
Jun 13, 2003

I do solemnly swear that in the year 2015 I will theorycraft my wallet as well as my WoW

Yond Cassius posted:

Oh, man. This is worse than it sounded from the quick soundbyte post.

According to the page some lawyers put together to sue them, OptionSellers customers aren't just broke, they're facing a margin call.

Looks somewhat similar to what happened with MF Global.

Cassius Belli
May 22, 2010

horny is prohibited

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Look at the end of the lawyer statement. This may have been IRA accounts, not just another Newport Beach pocket change hedge fund.

There almost definitely were IRAs in that mix. Their old page for opening accounts is still up and mentions very specifically that they allow accounts held through IRAs.

Tokyo Sex Whale
Oct 9, 2012

"My butt smells like vanilla ice cream"
Hahaha

”James Cordier” posted:


I had a new client orientation call last week with a very nice retired couple from Northern California. For the purpose of this letter, I will call them Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

Mr. Smith is a somewhat experienced stock option seller. He was familiar with the results he could generate in stocks and enthusiastic about diversifying the strategy into commodities. Mrs. Smith was a smart lady. But she was not as versed in investing as her husband.

About halfway through our getting to know each other, Mrs. Smith abruptly posed a question to me that caught me off guard.

She asked "James, with all that's going on in the world right now, is it really a good time to be selling options?"

This took some thought to respond...I answered Mrs. Smith.

The answer is, yes! Yes, Mrs. Smith, it is a good time to be selling options. In fact, it's always a good time to be selling options.

There are very few certainties in life. But one certainty is that the majority of options will continue to expire worthless on expiration day.

Uncertainty of geopolitical outcomes does not change that. This, Mrs. Smith, is exactly why it's always a good time to sell options.

Finally, I had to take Mrs. Smith's question one step further. The question should not be "Is it a good time to be selling options?"

The question should be "Is it a good time to selling options in commodities?"

And my answer to that was an emphatic "Yes."

What it does mean is that by diversifying into both uncorrelated strategy and asset class, you bring a sound layer of stabilization to a portfolio. You also target greater consistency and potentially higher, more stable returns - in both "good" and "bad" times. Because, all times are uncertain.

This, Mrs. Smith, is why it is always a good time to be selling options.

And when you and Mr. Smith come to town, we can discuss the answer further over dinner.

In 24 months, I have a feeling you'll know the answer for yourself.

Welcome to the firm and to the world of option selling.

BEHOLD: MY CAPE
Jan 11, 2004
I mean nothing he says there is fundamentally wrong and like everything there are great options and awful stupid options, and diversifying your asset classes and strategies is generally a good idea, he just completely leaves out the extreme downside event where when the options are not in fact worthless at settlement you get loving killed

normal contact
Mar 19, 2010

There are very few certainties in life. But one certainty is that the majority of times you play Russian roulette, you win.

100 HOGS AGREE
Oct 13, 2007
Grimey Drawer

normal contact posted:

There are very few certainties in life. But one certainty is that the majority of times you play Russian roulette, you win.

https://twitter.com/dril/status/793286253001248768?lang=en

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal

BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:

I mean nothing he says there is fundamentally wrong and like everything there are great options and awful stupid options, and diversifying your asset classes and strategies is generally a good idea, he just completely leaves out the extreme downside event where when the options are not in fact worthless at settlement you get loving killed

But they were selling the options it is just they sold some options that became worth a lot more then what they sold them for not the expected outcome of them being worth nothing and keeping the sales price. If you buy options all you can lose is what you paid, if you sell you could lose more then you got, whoopsie.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down

Yond Cassius posted:

From the Schadenfreude thread, courtesy of C-SPAM, a case of catastrophic BWM:


Minimum funds to open an account with OptionSellers was $500,000.

The only thing that kept me from really expecting him to pull out a gun and off himself at the end was that the video was still up on Youtube. Was getting vibes of that one Mr. Robot episode.

SpelledBackwards
Jan 7, 2001

I found this image on the Internet, perhaps you've heard of it? It's been around for a while I hear.

TraderStav posted:

The only thing that kept me from really expecting him to pull out a gun and off himself at the end was that the video was still up on Youtube. Was getting vibes of that one Mr. Robot episode.

I haven't watched Mr. Robot, but that in itself was probably inspired by R. Budd Dwyer.

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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



SpelledBackwards posted:

I haven't watched Mr. Robot, but that in itself was probably inspired by R. Budd Dwyer.

It was, as was the Filter song "Hey Man, Nice Shot." :suicide:

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