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A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Tree Goat posted:

i haven't read it, op

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house of the dad
Jul 4, 2005

I also am proud of having not read a book.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

house of the dad posted:

I also am proud of having not read a book.

you should be if it's a contemporary american novel

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



house of the dad posted:

I also am proud of having not read a book.

read mein kampf yet? :smug:

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

i have not read jonathan franzen or haruki murakami and my life is great

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
You should read Underground.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Der Untergrund by Jonathan Französischen, natürlich

Solitair
Feb 18, 2014

TODAY'S GONNA BE A GOOD MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY!!!

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I mean that's a big plate, what are you looking for?

Yasunari Kawabata is probably the best modern stylist, but someone like Oe speaks to Japanese modernity a lot better

I was just about to bring up Kawabata. I recently read Thousand Cranes, which went completely over my head. It's short enough that I want to give it another try, though.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
Thousand Cranes is, I think, the greatest symbolic novel

doug fuckey
Jun 7, 2007

hella greenbacks
I own thousand cranes but haven’t read it, palm of the hand stories and snow country are incredible though.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

I have a copy of the new edition of Wind/Pinball around here and really need to read it; the main thing stopping me is my suspicion that reading Pinball 1983 as an adult won't possibly be as fresh or interesting as reading it as an undergraduate was. Alternately, I suppose I could swerve to another Murakami and give Coin Locker Babies a shot, just to say I did.

house of the dad
Jul 4, 2005

J_RBG posted:

i have not read jonathan franzen or haruki murakami and my life is great

That's cool. They've both written pretty good books though. Kafka on the Shore, maybe?

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

Sham bam bamina! posted:

You should read Underground.

MystOpportunity
Jun 27, 2004
If I was interested in reading something by Richard Powers (and I’m only partially sure I am) where would I start?

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

MystOpportunity posted:

If I was interested in reading something by Richard Powers (and I’m only partially sure I am) where would I start?

orfeo probably

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

Tree Goat posted:

orfeo probably

i changed my mind, maybe the gold bug variations

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

richard powers? sorry, i'm not into superheroes

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

Tree Goat posted:

i changed my mind, maybe the gold bug variations
This is the correct answer.

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010

MystOpportunity posted:

If I was interested in reading something by Richard Powers (and I’m only partially sure I am) where would I start?

something by evan dara

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010
Actually I just looked at wikipedia to make sure I spelled his name right and I don't want to be associated with him after reading that

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat
'90s Richard Powers is kinda funny because his style in The Gold Bug Variations is just gorgeous, then he doubles down on the prettiness with Operation Wandering Soul and ends up almost unreadably baroque, so he backs off hard with much more straightforward writing in Galatea 2.2.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Sham bam bamina! posted:

'90s Richard Powers is kinda funny because his style in The Gold Bug Variations is just gorgeous, then he doubles down on the prettiness with Operation Wandering Soul and ends up almost unreadably baroque, so he backs off hard with much more straightforward writing in Galatea 2.2.

that sounds cool. what other unreadably baroque writers would you recommend?

Foul Fowl
Sep 12, 2008

Uuuuh! Seek ye me?

A human heart posted:

you should be if it's a contemporary american novel

american contemporary literature is pretty good if you ignore almost everything that's written by white people

Mr. Squishy
Mar 22, 2010

A country where you can always get richer.
People can't write a paragraph about Gaddis without some sideswipe at Franzen for calling Frolic boring. Its like Achebe for conradians, but pettier. Tabbi in particular is very good at them, and he has taken a few shots at dfw too

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Foul Fowl posted:

american contemporary literature is pretty good if you ignore almost everything that's written by white people

one of my safest qualifiers is that any "american contemporary literature" is probably dogshit

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

MystOpportunity posted:

If I was interested in reading something by Richard Powers (and I’m only partially sure I am) where would I start?

See if either Plowing the Dark or Galatea 2.2 sounds interesting to you. Generosity was pretty good and a quick read.

Still haven't read GBV which is probably my fault.

Edit: oh yes, I remember really liking The Echo Maker but it's probably not going to click with everyone.

CestMoi
Sep 16, 2011

pleasure by d'annunzio is yet more proof if proof be need be that fascists are the best writers

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



Is there even a good communist writer after Gorky?

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
The best Richard Powers novel is inarguably The Echo-Maker imho

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Is there even a good communist writer after Gorky?

Uh yeah eg Brecht

Tree Goat
May 24, 2009

argania spinosa

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Is there even a good communist writer after Gorky?

idk, check the lf archives

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

A human heart posted:

that sounds cool. what other unreadably baroque writers would you recommend?
It just came off as affected and labored to me. I'm comparing it with The Gold Bug Variations on Amazon right now, and the biggest difference is that Operation Wandering Soul has lots of short, similarly structured sentences and fragments that both read monotonously and put lots of clever but unrelated images and phrases on individual pedestals instead of developing more substantial ones at length. It feels densely and self-consciously ornamented at the expense of flow and rhythm. Powers himself calls it "baroque" at the beginning of Galatea 2.2, so I don't think I'm off base here.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor

Antivehicular posted:

Alternately, I suppose I could swerve to another Murakami and give Coin Locker Babies a shot, just to say I did.

That one's about looking for keys in the Yakuza games, right?

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

CestMoi posted:

pleasure by d'annunzio is yet more proof if proof be need be that fascists are the best writers

have you got to the bit where an englishman shows the protagonist his porn collection yet, that's my favourite part

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Is there even a good communist writer after Gorky?
Aitmatov, Ngugi, probably like 30 other guys I haven't read yet.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

CestMoi posted:

pleasure by d'annunzio is yet more proof if proof be need be that fascists are the best writers

didn't we just establish that contemporary american lit is shite

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





Can anyone recommend a translation of War and Peace?

Sham bam bamina!
Nov 6, 2012

ƨtupid cat

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

Can anyone recommend a translation of War and Peace?
Ann Dunnigan, Signet Classics

Edit: The Anthony Briggs translation is very liberal but probably the most pleasant English read.

Sham bam bamina! fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 19, 2018

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

V. Illych L. posted:

contemporary [...] lit is shite

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

V. Illych L. posted:

didn't we just establish that contemporary american lit is shite

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Nanomashoes
Aug 18, 2012


The Dead Father is a good book.

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