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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Yeah, but over-diagnosing ADD really was a serious problem in the 90's.  Yeah about that..
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You can absolutely argue thats it's hard to accurately diagnose since all kids have ADHD behaviors and there's definitely a meaningful argument behind the idea that sitting kids filled with energy at desks and telling them to be still all day is a terrible way to approach education. For some reason that nuance escapes most people and it becomes "lol it's not real just pay attention" I've noticed that libertarians tend to have no empathy for anyone who has disabilities or mental health problems because accepting the fact that not everyone has an equal shot at success ruins the whole "it all comes down to personal responsibility" argument. Elderbean fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Nov 18, 2018 |
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Nov 18, 2018 21:25
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Yeah I’m sorry I just refuse to believe that every kid in the world has an attention disorder and it’s not just the fact school is boring and being a little kid sucks and having phones and screens sucking at your attention from birth probably just makes idiot kids who can’t sit still to learn about conjunctions or whatever. Also yes Alcoholism is real, the joke wasn’t that alcoholism isn’t real, it’s that “just really liking beer” isn’t being an alcoholic and is a different problem. Like seriously imagine having reading comprehension that bad and just never getting glib satire.
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Nov 18, 2018 21:33
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah I’m sorry I just refuse to believe that every kid in the world has an attention disorder and it’s not just the fact school is boring and being a little kid sucks and having phones and screens sucking at your attention from birth probably just makes idiot kids who can’t sit still to learn about conjunctions or whatever. And I refuse to believe that everyone has the same natural capacity to pay attention. Nearly everything in human cognition is variable.
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I also liked when their attempt at dunking on homeopathy and new-age pseudoscientific remedies turned into "there is no such thing as a toxin"
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Elderbean posted:And I refuse to believe that everyone has the same natural capacity to pay attention. Nearly everything in human cognition is variable. Ok but what’s your threshold for a child (age 4-10) not paying attention in school or wanting to go run around outside instead of sitting at a desk (like a tiny adult) and working fastidiously for hours? At what point would you consider or request medication for your child? My threshold is “when the child is literally a danger to themselves or others” not “it’s 4:30 PM and mommy needs quiet so she can watch Judge Mathis, eat this pill and go upstairs” Also as an aside, I’ve had two different roommates who were prescribed Ritalin/Adderol as children and by age 20-22 they were both basically white, suburban meth heads who really couldn’t function At All without their speed, which if you didn’t know, Adderal is basically methamphetamine.
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah I’m sorry I just refuse to believe that every kid in the world has an attention disorder and it’s not just the fact school is boring and being a little kid sucks and having phones and screens sucking at your attention from birth probably just makes idiot kids who can’t sit still to learn about conjunctions or whatever. I would think educators who actually have to work with special needs kids wouldn’t like you after saying that. My wife actually has to deal with kids who don’t get their prescribed medication cause their idiot parents were convinced to normalize their kids by some online moron like you or by some cartoon show. It doesn’t go well and their education absolutely suffers If the doctor says your kid might need a prescription, he might actually know what he’s talking about! What a concept!
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My point is that it’s overprescribed, not that some kids don’t need medication, but that’s a perfect example of misinterpreting a South Park-style take as an extremist viewpoint, great job!
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Nov 18, 2018 21:57
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Lol southparks take was to hit kids and tell them to study it's not a misinterpretation. These are the same dudes who think climate change isn't real.
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Elderbean posted:Lol southparks take was to hit kids and tell them to study it's not a misinterpretation. These are the same dudes who think climate change isn't real. They just did a two-parter apologising to Al Gore.
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sassassin posted:They just did a two-parter apologising to Al Gore. That's good, but it doesnt really change the fact that they tend to crank out commentary on things they don't actually understand.
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Nov 18, 2018 22:16
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marge vs the monorail suffers from third act problems
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likewise, the lemon of troy has a forgettable first act
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Tree Goat posted:marge vs the monorail suffers from third act problems Tree Goat posted:likewise, the lemon of troy has a forgettable first act You shut your filthy word hole. How dare you
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Yeah, but over-diagnosing ADD really was a serious problem in the 90's. Or do we just think that because TV made us think that.
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Plan Z posted:Or do we just think that because TV made us think that. So you hear about an explosion of it because we can more accurately diagnose it.
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah I’m sorry I just refuse to believe that every kid in the world has an attention disorder and it’s not just the fact school is boring and being a little kid sucks and having phones and screens sucking at your attention from birth probably just makes idiot kids who can’t sit still to learn about conjunctions or whatever. I get it, I do. South Park's "satire" isn't hard to get, it's literally the easiest out there to get. Tell me how wrong I am when I take the alcoholism episode as "Maybe it's a disease, but we as a society have agreed that 'disease' means something else in our minds, and we may be cheapening the word when it's possible that choice is a factor in such a disease. And if you dare to question it, you'll be brow-beaten into capitulating that it's a disease rather than being given a concrete case. But also Randy is using the 'disease' part as an excuse to not address the actual behavior that's fueling his addiction because it's easy to blame it on something you can't control than your own personal shortcomings." The problem is that it's one fictional case and they're not really implying that they're giving you a small part of the story. They don't show people detoxing or show psychological dependencies on alcohol. Randy just gets drunk and doesn't realize how his actions affect the people around them, and in this one case, it's just a guy who needs to learn to cut himself off. Then there are the legit cases where they hosed up like on climate change, but mistakes are worsened when they're so smug about it. I'll give them credit that their episode on Tourette's was pretty good. It was a way of getting Cartman to do funny cusses while also confronting him with a better-represented depiction of the disease than you usually get from lovely comedies that were prevalent at the time. Same for the Special Olympics episode, where they mocked a longtime lovely comedy crutch while also displaying athletes as athletes. One problem that is admittedly somewhat out of their control, though is the louder parts of their audience. They're the ones that don't get the satire and think it's just "yeah, tell those pussies that they're pussies," yet claim nobody else gets it. On the other hand, that episode of the Simpsons where Lisa had an eating disorder was god awful. She just felt fat and didn't want to eat all that much. She claimed she'll still have it but since gently caress continuity, it's never shown again which is an example of "this is a very big problem that needs attention" then abandoning it, which is bad writing. Plan Z fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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Bust Rodd posted:Also yes Alcoholism is real, the joke wasn’t that alcoholism isn’t real, it’s that “just really liking beer” isn’t being an alcoholic and is a different problem. Like seriously imagine having reading comprehension that bad and just never getting glib satire. I watched that episode just a few days ago. What you're describing is Randy's arc specifically, but 'alcoholism isn't real' is something they come close to saying literally, multiple times. There really is no other way to interpret it. Also that Alcoholics Anonymous is basically a cult which, who knows, might even be true. They have stupid opinions and that's fine, I'll still watch it. It's not a bad show regardless. It's bizarre to be so hell-bent on defending their honor.
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Yeah, and when I criticize stuff like that, it's cause I usually do it because I like discussion and I hate attempts to just shut it down, which is what I'm guilty of sometimes.
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FilthyImp posted:I think, like Aspergers, it suffers from being a trendy diagnosis that wasn't previously mainstream. I remember back when that first depression commercial started making the rounds (Zoloft, I think? It was just an animated oval wandering around), a pharmacist family member would always go on about how depression wasn't a medical thing that deserved medication, those idiots just needed to cheer up!
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Bust Rodd posted:Yeah I’m sorry I just refuse to believe that every kid in the world has an attention disorder and it’s not just the fact school is boring and being a little kid sucks and having phones and screens sucking at your attention from birth probably just makes idiot kids who can’t sit still to learn about conjunctions or whatever. glib satire lmao
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Is thoust besmirching thine South Parks honour? Have at yee, my goonsire and I shall slay yee with my sword of logic
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Sentient Data posted:I remember back when that first depression commercial started making the rounds (Zoloft, I think? It was just an animated oval wandering around), a pharmacist family member would always go on about how depression wasn't a medical thing that deserved medication, those idiots just needed to cheer up! It was a pretty common political tactic in the US to use "treatment for depression" as a way of calling them crazy and unfit. There was someone whose name I forget that Nixon did it to during Watergate and a lot of people bought it.
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I just found this channel and it has full episodes broken up into 7 videos and I just binged watched $pringfield again and HOLY poo poo it’s just wall-to-wall gold, “Ah yes that crippled Irishman!” “I said Hop. In.” “Wow that’s classic compulsive behavior, wow free beer!”, “Yah, you know, we are having a party tonight...” “I call him GAMBLOR” et all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj3hatFVq18 Celebrity guests: Robert Goulet and loving Gerry Cooney Seriously, watch that episode and find me a scene that doesn’t have a solid joke or a scene that falls flat in the slightest. Now go back and watch that Princess Diana clip again and tell me it’s the same show. They could barely fit in the Lisa Florida subplot ending because there was so much loving good poo poo they had to get in. fatal oopsie-daisy fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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My old gamer tag was Professor Rubbermouth. Also love the consistency that Barney has "5 years of modern dance, 6 years of tap" and it's kind of consistent with him being a good singer in the Be Sharps episode.
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Nov 19, 2018 01:42
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Most people also have basically no understanding of what ADD/ADHD style disorders actually are. A kid not wanting to sit still isn't the problem. The kid literally can't process information the way other kids do and suffers in school as a result. They're told to pay attention or to work on an assignment and their eyes just roll off it. It's a learning disability, not an overabundance of energy in a boring setting.
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Bust Rodd posted:My point is that it’s overprescribed, not that some kids don’t need medication, but that’s a perfect example of misinterpreting a South Park-style take as an extremist viewpoint, great job! Yeah well guess what, cause of know nothing people like you and idiotic tv shows, parents are trying to ignore their kids issues and making life hell for people like my wife who are just trying to help kids with neurological issues Good job idiot internet contrarian My Linux Rig fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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Nov 19, 2018 08:09
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They can write a good bit of musical comedy but unfortunately they aren't very talented at hot takes. More recently I liked the South Park episode on home security.
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My Linux Rig posted:Yeah well guess what, cause of know nothing people like you and idiotic tv shows, parents are trying to normalize their kids and making life hell for people like my wife who are just trying to help kids with neurological issues This is exactly what's so frustrating about it. Children have a very hard time describing or explaining what their difficulties actually are because all they know is what they've experienced and while they might realize they're "different", they don't have the experience to really explain what that means. If you have lived your whole life not having experienced a neurological condition, all you see is the behavior and you get frustrated with the kid because other children are able to modify their behavior.
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Does the episode of South Park where all the kids claim their parents are molesting them and then take over the town still hold up? Because I remember thinking that was the funniest poo poo when i first saw it, but now I could see it being problematic in hindsight.
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pooch516 posted:Does the episode of South Park where all the kids claim their parents are molesting them and then take over the town still hold up? No it's still a really good episode The homeless zombies episode was around the same time, those were the good years of South Park where they didn't talk about politics or do trolling the libs comedy but instead just talked about general societal issues
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Talk about the simpsons you idiots
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Be the change you want to see in the world.
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Nonviolent J posted:Talk about the simpsons you idiots No, let's turn it into a Critic thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i7ycxiog40 Mostly having fun, but a "forgotten adult animation" thread could be cool. The Critic, 3South, Undergrads, Duckman, Dr. Katz, Clerks: TAS, Mission Hill, The Oblongs. Has the world decided if we're okay with The P.J.'s? Plan Z fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdPd5_KFUnc
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It's odd how they chose such a cute, Disney-ish style for The Critic, and then changed the designs in the 2nd season to be even more cutesy. Most animated comedies go for a cruder, uglier look to them, or at least have really simple looking characters that can warp and stretch to emphasize the physical comedy. They do some funny physical stuff with Jay but a lot of times it feels like everything is too pretty for what's supposed to be a satire. The writing and the performances are still top-notch, don't get me wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiguDe8ZZQQ
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A student of mine in Bangkok just submitted a persuasive essay on how Apu is not a racist caricature. I'm not sure why a 12 year old in 2018 living in a country that is barely even aware of The Simpsons has decided to have a horse in this race, but I suspect it has something to do with him and his brothers regularly telling me that the Holocaust was good and that the Jews deserved it. I need to find a new career. Speaking of, all the gags in Season 3 of the teachers drinking heavily and burning out strike very close to home.
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Here lies jay sherman. Nobody ever bought his book
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Atlas Hugged posted:A student of mine in Bangkok just submitted a persuasive essay on how Apu is not a racist caricature. I'm not sure why a 12 year old in 2018 living in a country that is barely even aware of The Simpsons has decided to have a horse in this race, but I suspect it has something to do with him and his brothers regularly telling me that the Holocaust was good and that the Jews deserved it. yes, laughing at a cartoon character is comparable to genocide
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