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The problem is Macron is so bad and unpopular it's concerning the Nazi might win in the next iteration of pick the worst between a centrist and a Nazi. If centrists are going to be the self appointed dam against far right ideology they have to at least care about elections and their own favorability.
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CascadeBeta posted:I mean it's the worst dem vs the best repub argument again and we've already drawn our lines in the sand about that. I'd go to bat for the worst centrist over an actual Nazi every single time if those are the two options. are you gonna fault me for mocking people who  over a guy who talks about himself as if he were a god and who tries to rehabilitate actual nazis that betrayed their country?
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Nov 19, 2018 16:58
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Radish posted:The WHC got their feelings hurt so bad by Wolfe that the aren't having a comedian at the next dinner.
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Nov 19, 2018 16:59
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CascadeBeta posted:I mean it's the worst dem vs the best repub argument again and we've already drawn our lines in the sand about that. I'd go to bat for the worst centrist over an actual Nazi every single time if those are the two options. This thinking gets the nazi elected in the next election
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Nov 19, 2018 16:59
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Jen Kirkman needs professional help. She legit believes the poo poo she is saying.
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Nov 19, 2018 16:59
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Condiv posted:are you gonna fault me for mocking people who I think at the point those people were making those tweets, Americans knew very little of Macron's policy positions and were just joyous that France had soundly rejected its Trump in the ballot box.
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Nov 19, 2018 16:59
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Terror Sweat posted:This thinking gets the nazi elected in the next election What's the alternative then? If your two options are vote for a centrist and vote for a Nazi, what do you do? Vote for the Nazi as a protest vote? Don't vote at all? I'd love if there was a better option available much like I'd love if there had been a better candidate than Hillary for 2016. But there wasn't, so you hold your nose and vote otherwise you get actual concentration camps and ICE raiding peoples workplaces on the orders of a corporation.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:01
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FlamingLiberal posted:Jen Kirkman needs professional help. She legit believes the poo poo she is saying. The people who read her stuff and think she's right are basically qanon but believe they are smart.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:01
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reignonyourparade posted:US marshals are going to end up forcibly escorting that dude into the whitehouse. The Ruby bridges cartoon except the Betsy devos edit except a Jim Acosta edit
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Nov 19, 2018 17:03
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Pakled posted:I think at the point those people were making those tweets, Americans knew very little of Macron's policy positions and were just joyous that France had soundly rejected its Trump in the ballot box. oh, he was known poo poo already at that point. he was all for austerity out the wazoo when he was working under hollande, and he torpedoed the "democrats" of france he's like if bloomberg ran as an independent. you know bloomberg is a shithead at this point. if bloomberg started referring to himself as god and his cabinet as the host of heaven after getting elected it'd be even more obvious at that point, but you didn't need that to know he was a shithead before
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empty whippet box posted:uM, what exactly does 'I pointed him out' mean?
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Nov 19, 2018 17:04
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Sure kids were being abused and the company running the "shelters" wasn't meeting oversight guidelines, but have you considered that closing them might cause job losses at the local school district which was using the kids to boost the size of their budget?!?quote:Southwest Key Programs in Arizona, which operates shelters for undocumented immigrant children, has had one of its shelters closed by the federal government following allegations of physical abuse by staff members. And a second shelter will close as part of a legal settlement with the state of Arizona after Southwest Key missed an oversight deadline. The closing of the shelters has unintended financial consequences for a small school district. The Maricopa County Regional School District says it will have a $1.9 million dollar budget reduction and teacher layoffs due to the loss of up to about 430 students at Southwest Key Programs. Goddamn Marketplace is trash. Let's ignore the bullshit per-student funding method that is causing the actual budget crunch, completely leave out any discussion of what is actually best for the kids, and instead treat refugee kids as little more than money bags
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Nov 19, 2018 17:04
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Condiv posted:oh, he was known poo poo already at that point. he was all for austerity out the wazoo when he was working under hollande, and he torpedoed the "democrats" of france If your two options in 2020 were Bloomberg (D) and Trump (R) who do you vote for?
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Nov 19, 2018 17:04
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CascadeBeta posted:If your two options in 2020 were Bloomberg (D) and Trump (R) who do you vote for? I'd vote for the literal devil before Donald Trump so there's your answer.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:05
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CascadeBeta posted:If your two options in 2020 were Bloomberg (D) and Trump (R) who do you vote for? Eat the rich.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:06
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CascadeBeta posted:What's the alternative then?
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Nov 19, 2018 17:06
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CascadeBeta posted:If your two options in 2020 were Bloomberg (D) and Trump (R) who do you vote for? what does this have to do with anything? even if you feel compelled to vote for bloomberg running as an independent (cause that's what happened with macron), do you have to pretend he's unbelievably awesome and should run the world?
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Nov 19, 2018 17:06
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DLC Inc posted:Yeah I've seen Talib/Omar on their poo poo too, it's good to know the majority of the new blood is focusing on stuff that matters. I feel like there needs to be a big contingent to push back against focusing on loving Russia poo poo and heaving onward with the core issues. My big fear right now is that it will live and die with just a handful of people while Chuck Schumer marches the party off a cliff. por que no los dos
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Nov 19, 2018 17:07
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CascadeBeta posted:If your two options in 2020 were Bloomberg (D) and Trump (R) who do you vote for? It doesn't matter since Trump would win regardless, just like how Macron will probably lose. Quibling over individual votes is dumb since it's large political movements that win elections. Macron probably isn't going to be able to coast on "is not a Nazi" a second time after going to war with the workers of France.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:08
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CascadeBeta posted:If your two options in 2020 were Bloomberg (D) and Trump (R) who do you vote for? Again, why is this relevant to making fun of idiots for gushing over a lesser fascist?
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Nov 19, 2018 17:09
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Direct action. So nothing, then.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:09
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fortunately there's no way bloomberg could survive even the comparatively mild primaries of the democratic party. he has nothing to offer anybody.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:09
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Direct action. Cool, let me know when that happens, because for as much as people say that, they sure as poo poo are comfortable sitting at home whining on the internet about purity.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:10
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Stexils posted:fortunately there's no way bloomberg could survive even the comparatively mild primaries of the democratic party. he has nothing to offer anybody. Yeah. I fear Biden since he's riding on Obama's coattails and clearly has the media backing him but Bloomberg is out of his mind if he thinks getting into the Democratic primary isn't going to result is absolute humiliation.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:11
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Radish posted:Yeah. I fear Biden since he's riding on Obama's coattails and clearly has the media backing him but Bloomberg is out of his mind if he thinks getting into the Democratic primary isn't going to result is absolute humiliation. People said that about Trump too.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:11
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CascadeBeta posted:Cool, let me know when that happens, because for as much as people say that, they sure as poo poo are comfortable sitting at home whining on the internet about purity. you're missing the point that if you're at the point where it's a nazi vs a deeply unpopular centrist in the election you're already hosed. you're not going to be able to guilt the entire population into voting how you want.
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Bloomberg and Cuomo are both basically dead in the water in a national primary. Like, I get that people think anything can happen because Trump won but one of them is in office because of new york machine politics and the other one was the mayor of the city that elected Giuliani.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:12
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Rent-A-Cop posted:I mean, that tweet is correct? kinda. i mean the country has a big reactionary islamist streak and the only thing keeping that down are heavy handed military republic. so basically its a pick an evil. heavy handed military assholes who kill there rivals/politicians and stir poo poo up in Afghanistan and are bribed by everyone Or Islamist types who burn down schools/shoot students/anyone who isn't the pakistani equivalent of a good Wahhabi and would also have their hand on nuclear arsenal. CascadeBeta posted:If your two options in 2020 were Bloomberg (D) and Trump (R) who do you vote for? bloomberg. he would be a lovely liberal which is better then trump. i wouldn't like it, but at least i know the world won't end in a sudden flash of nuclear fire.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:13
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Dapper_Swindler posted:kinda. i mean the country has a big reactionary islamist streak and the only thing keeping that down are heavy handed military republic. so basically its a pick an evil. heavy handed military assholes who kill there rivals/politicians and stir poo poo up in Afghanistan and are bribed by everyone Or Islamist types who burn down schools/shoot students/anyone who isn't the pakistani equivalent of a good Wahhabi and would also have their hand on nuclear arsenal. Yeah it’ll be a slow drawn out death over decades, but it’ll still end
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Nov 19, 2018 17:14
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Radish posted:Yeah. I fear Biden since he's riding on Obama's coattails and clearly has the media backing him but Bloomberg is out of his mind if he thinks getting into the Democratic primary isn't going to result is absolute humiliation. I was afraid that if Bloomberg ran and lost (which he will), he'd run as an independent--then I remembered that there's a such thing as sore-loser laws in like 46/50 states.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:14
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YodaTFK posted:Bloomberg and Cuomo are both basically dead in the water in a national primary. Like, I get that people think anything can happen because Trump won but one of them is in office because of new york machine politics and the other one was the mayor of the city that elected Giuliani. yeah, they would be dead in the primary if they even enter. my guess is the winner will either be a progressive, Beto, or biden.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:14
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Condiv posted:are you gonna fault me for mocking people who I'm faulting you because you're making fun of people who were heaving a sigh of relief that they didn't elect their version of Trump over a year ago. Very different from them doing that today.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:15
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Terror Sweat posted:Yeah it’ll be a slow drawn out death over decades, but it’ll still end well yeah. i am just thankful bloomberg has no chance.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:15
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What kind of prescience would it take to mention Osama Bin Laden in the 90s after he bombed a building in the city you live in
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Nov 19, 2018 17:17
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CascadeBeta posted:People said that about Trump too. You have to be joking unless you are implying the Democratic base is desperately wanting an out of touch racist billionaire to tell them that conservative economics is good. Trump is a showman who said the quiet parts loud. Bloomberg is just an unfunny rear end in a top hat.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:17
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The sanctimony in the tweets responding to aocs tweets is off the charts, it's dope
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Nov 19, 2018 17:17
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CascadeBeta posted:People said that about Trump too. trump had a lot more going for him than bloomberg. he's willing to insult everyone and point out that the republicans he was running against were fuckups and failures, he was already famous from the apprentice, he never backpedals or admits guilt, he's entertaining to watch during debates, and most importantly he connected with the republican base by saying what they wanted to hear (racism, anti elitism). bloomberg....wants compromise and bipartisanship, and is rich. he wants to run as a centrist, so he's pretty much just going to be advocating for the status quo as opposed to candidates who are proposing new projects and reforms, which are currently far more popular (witness every dem running on medicare for all). his platform is to stomp the brakes. he has no base and he's not going to be able to get one during the primaries. presuming he runs at all, of course.
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Nov 19, 2018 17:18
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Radish posted:You have to be joking unless you are implying the Democratic base is desperately wanting an out of touch racist billionaire to tell them that conservative economics is good. I don't discount anything at this point. vOv
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Nov 19, 2018 17:18
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Radish posted:You have to be joking unless you are implying the Democratic base is desperately wanting an out of touch racist billionaire to tell them that conservative economics is good. this. no liberal/lefty/etc i know wants bloomberg, at worst they want hillary. most want an actual progressive or at least someone charismatic.
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CascadeBeta posted:I'm faulting you because you're making fun of people who were heaving a sigh of relief that they didn't elect their version of Trump over a year ago. Very different from them doing that today. This is the weirdest attempt at gaslighting. The tweets being made fun of are right there. They are not "sighs of relief". They're legitimate gushing over an oligarch toadie that 3/4 of his own country hates because he is an oligarch toadie making it easier for fascism to take hold
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