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Stickman posted:I don't necessarily disagree, but the correct way to administer a program like that is extremely leniently until such time as it can be fixed (see also, immigration). yeah to be clear, they probably are being as evil as possible but we don't have much reporting on it yet (unless DeVos is still too focused on making it easier to get away with rape in college) i've just known a couple different lawyers now that had real problems getting everything together and getting confirmation of the eligible payments they made (this was back in the late Obama era), and theoretically they should have an easier time navigating a mess of stupid rules than most normal people trying to get PSLF eke out fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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eke out posted:the craziest thing about this is there's not even any indication Trump and co. are administering it in a particularly bad way, it's just a legitimately poo poo, opaque program That type of shits by design. Comes from the same place as impossible literacy tests and exact match ID laws. Don't want those people to get anywhere.
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Oracle posted:You must not be old enough to remember Eternal September. I know of it, but never experienced it personally. I only got the internet for the first time in like 1999 because by then I had a PC with an actual honest to god modem in it (up until then it was just a Commodore PC 50-II from like 1989 or something), but I'm definitely old enough to remember when internet companies like AOL went out of their way to encourage people to use "netiquette" and not be raging loving assholes as their very first inclination the moment they got into a chat room or message board. I have to regularly remind myself nowadays, because I don't use any other message board besides these forums anymore even to browse, but the little slap fights people sometimes have in USPOL/Trump thread from time to time is like friendly disagreement banter compared to the unrelenting shitposting and unreadable chaos that was permeating the average online forum by the time I said "Okay gently caress this I'm out" in like 2014. I feel like something similar to the Endless September happened around that time with a younger generation of users coming online all at once and just the sheer obsession it has with memes and shitposting overwhelming the existing culture of many message boards and user groups pretty much permanently. Kale fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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Madkal posted:I'm actually kind of curious on what the guy was expecting. It wasn't like Trump was hiding who he was all these years. He was expecting all the heat to fall on immigrants, minorities, and other poor people who aren't him. Aging white bigots very much banked on Daddy Trump riding in to save them from the scary brown people and restore (their idea) of the Amercian Dream. It consistently comes as a shock when they're forced to face the fact that he does not give one withered poo poo about them either. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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Otherkinsey Scale posted:Also not at all the first time he's blamed a disaster on its victims. Fundamental attribution error: those other people fell victim to a disaster because they were irresponsible, but Trump knows we're the good people who are only victims of circumstance
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Skippy McPants posted:He was expecting all the heat to fall on immigrants, minorities, and other poor people who aren't him. Aging white bigots very much banked on Daddy Trump riding in to save them from the scary brown people and restore (their idea) of the Amercian Dream. It consistently comes as a shock when they're forced to face the fact that he does not give one withered poo poo about them either. The whole "I never expected the leopard to eat my face" line is pretty standard among those types. And then you have the occasional "While the leopard may have eaten my face it also ate those other faces too!" types that still support him.
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"It's one dead guy, it never goes farther than that with authoritarians if we just appease them."
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"I beleive it is LiveJournos for our time."
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Taerkar posted:The whole "I never expected the leopard to eat my face" line is pretty standard among those types. And then you have the occasional "While the leopard may have eaten my face it also ate those other faces too!" types that still support him. Sometimes I wonder what would happen if we told the average American that they wouldn’t see jail time for murdering people if they use a special gun that would shoot them at the same time they’re shooting someone else. I’d imagine a shitload of dead or critically injured people who are honestly confused on how they got shot.
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Nelson Concedes Florida Senate Race https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/18/politics/bill-nelson-rick-scott-florida-recount-result/index.html Does this mean the Broward undervote was really just people not really seeing the Senate Race because it came immediately after the instructions? Hellblazer187 fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Nov 19, 2018 |
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Hellblazer187 posted:Nelson Concedes Florida Senate Race
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JFC. I know that the "the writers are getting lazy" trope is a bit overused but "South Florida fucks up a ballot design, olds are blind and dumb, leads to narrow republican win" is just too much for me to take a second time.
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Hellblazer187 posted:JFC. I know that the "the writers are getting lazy" trope is a bit overused but "South Florida fucks up a ballot design, olds are blind and dumb, leads to narrow republican win" is just too much for me to take a second time. First As Tragedy, Then As Farts
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https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1064550151203815424 wanted to flag something interesting in this new complaint quote:23. On November 17, 2018, President Trump told reporters that while he is close to nominating someone to serve as Ambassador to the United Nations, a post which Ambassador so once again, Trump's public statements undermine the pasted-together justifications his DOJ made for him almost the entire legal foundation for appointing Whitaker comes from an 1898 case where the temporary appointment was only allowed because of exigent circumstances - but Trump is openly telling reporters here there's no emergency, he loves Whitaker, and he's happy for him to serve however long
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That dog is a fantastic help to keeping Finland safe and is the very back bone of their social services.
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Your Boy Fancy posted:This story hosed me up. Here's a long-ish read from both sides - a guy in Maine who thinks he's helping stem fake news by creating tons of it as satire and watching as Russians co-opt it, and a woman in Nevada who mindlessly signal boosts the satire as reality. Brings everything into stark relief regarding our current status as the information empire slowly consumes us all, and why I'm so grateful for places like this that actually discuss the merits. quote:“We live in an Idiocracy,” read a small note on Blair’s desk, and he was taking full advantage. In a good month, the advertising revenue from his website earned him as much as $15,000, and it had also won him a loyal army of online fans. Hundreds of liberals now visited America’s Last Line of Defense to humiliate conservatives who shared Blair’s fake stories as fact. In Blair’s private Facebook messages with his liberal supporters, his conservative audience was made up of “sheep,” “hillbillies,” “maw-maw and paw-paw,” “TrumpTards,” “potatoes” and “taters.” Deprogramming conservatives would be a good idea, it's just not what he's doing. What Blair is doing is more like maintaining a safari where he and his buddies can hurl personal abuse at easy targets. Fun for them I guess, but at the cost of spewing yet more mind poison out into the world.
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Ornedan posted:Deprogramming conservatives would be a good idea, it's just not what he's doing. What Blair is doing is more like maintaining a safari where he and his buddies can hurl personal abuse at easy targets. Fun for them I guess, but at the cost of spewing yet more mind poison out into the world. I like the part in the article where the abuse she gets falling for his fake news prank just reinforces her belief that liberals are crazy and hateful, and does nothing to make her question her belief in a story that "seemed true" because liberals are crazy and hateful: after all here are liberals confirming how crazy and hateful they are to people like her! But whatever Blair needs to tell himself to justify that sweet $180k/year he pulls in manufacturing fascist propaganda
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Oracle posted:You must not be old enough to remember Eternal September. Kinda like Infrastructure Week.
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Mustached Demon posted:That type of shits by design. Ehhh, I've dealt with enough government funding projects to learn that a lot of obnoxious, lovely rules are the years-out legacy of a mishmash of fraud prevention, transparency, and privacy concerns (sometimes directly contradicting transparency). And all poorly written to boot, which leads to even dumber requirements stemming from confused interpretation, in some ways similar to the VA discussion from before. In my experience it's really hard to intentionally design something to be that randomly nightmarish and get it through the various agencies/processes that presumably are trying to inhibit that kind of chaos. There are much easier ways to gently caress over the poor and minorities.
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VitalSigns posted:I like the part in the article where the abuse she gets falling for his fake news prank just reinforces her belief that liberals are crazy and hateful, and does nothing to make her question her belief in a story that "seemed true" because liberals are crazy and hateful: after all here are liberals confirming how crazy and hateful they are to people like her! Hey, a good grift is a good grift 
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I like this lady. She knows what's what. (Although you don't need to be a Millennial to rock the Twitter, as John Dingell constantly shows us.)
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Ornedan posted:Deprogramming conservatives would be a good idea, it's just not what he's doing. What Blair is doing is more like maintaining a safari where he and his buddies can hurl personal abuse at easy targets. Fun for them I guess, but at the cost of spewing yet more mind poison out into the world. What Blair is doing is essentially an offshoot of how USPOL figures you solve the problem of far right conservative indoctrination....score as many online dunks on them as possible, make fun of them in the process, and then ????
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AOC's rhetorical agility is great, but I'm worried that she will overdo it. Hopefully once she starts her term, she will get over the urge to personally respond to every single hater.
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enraged_camel posted:AOC's rhetorical agility is great, but I'm worried that she will overdo it. yeah you know when they go low she should just go high
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enraged_camel posted:AOC's rhetorical agility is great, but I'm worried that she will overdo it. Except she doesn't get in slapfights; she just ripostes and lets the matter drop. And I'm pretty confident that serving on the back bench of a bunch of committees for her first couple of terms will not complicate her life to the point where she can't handle her own Twitter account.
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enraged_camel posted:AOC's rhetorical agility is great, but I'm worried that she will overdo it. The problem with her getting into a bunch of different Twitter slap fights a day is that the media will ignore the 99 she "wins" and cover to death the one she "loses", or even the ones she doesn't respond to. And after a few years of that coverage the public will just know her as that millennial congresswoman who gets into Twitter fights.
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Oh god, I can't imagine a world when an elected official uses twitter in way that could be deemed as "bad" My heavens, what is the world coming to!
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Xae posted:The problem with her getting into a bunch of different Twitter slap fights a day is that the media will ignore the 99 she "wins" and cover to death the one she "loses", or even the ones she doesn't respond to. Right now the public knows her as the awesome progressive who advocates lots of great ideas and is actually capable of using technology as opposed to most of the dinosaurs we have in Washington, including one rear end in a top hat who literally has his staff print every tweet out for him. I'm not worried about a hypothetical future take.
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Xae posted:The problem with her getting into a bunch of different Twitter slap fights a day is that the media will ignore the 99 she "wins" and cover to death the one she "loses", or even the ones she doesn't respond to. The corporate media will lie about her no matter what she does (see Jake Tapper lying about Medicare For All) because she is a threat, Twitter is the only place Americans can see her in her own words.
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Xae posted:The problem with her getting into a bunch of different Twitter slap fights a day is that the media will ignore the 99 she "wins" and cover to death the one she "loses", or even the ones she doesn't respond to. this is the look of the ones that flinch and it's a bad look.
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enraged_camel posted:AOC's rhetorical agility is great, but I'm worried that she will overdo it. She's not, really. But at the moment aside from orientation details and setting up staff she's kinda unemployed with time to burn.
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VitalSigns posted:The corporate media will lie about her no matter what she does (see Jake Tapper lying about Medicare For All) because she is a threat, Twitter is the only place Americans can see her in her own words. RT exists but the traitors sneer and pretend that this is the reason for their sudden and dramatic ideological conversion before returning to the lines as though nothing ever happened, just like when Bush and Obama critics went on AJl Jazeera and we heard all the same from that crowd
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OAquinas posted:She's not, really. But at the moment aside from orientation details and setting up staff she's kinda unemployed with time to burn. It's arguable that building this kind of following is good as well - it gives her leverage to avoid fundraising as much. When I interned many years ago my Congresswoman had to spend 30 hours a week calling donors on top of whatever Congressing she had to do!
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Internet Explorer posted:yeah you know when they go low she should just go high I think she's frequently speaking over their heads, though?
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I think it can only help keep activism engaged to have someone continuing to engage with them and explain what's going on with credibility and clarity, Congress is generally very opaque. And keeping activism engaged and energized is how we get more people like her believing they can make a difference and trying to take that step up to government.
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[Edit: Nevermind, this is getting too far off from discussing news topics.]
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