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X-Ray Pecs posted:The Avengers is one of the least-exciting blockbusters I’ve ever seen, I could see Infinity War clearing that bar just by being bad instead of awful. I assure you they are equally mediocre. Gripweed posted:I'm pretty sure they are literally darker than Marvel movies. Nope. The funny thing is that, like, just as a thought experiment, if you contrast titles, the DCEU have actually more consistently foregrounded optimism, whereas recent MCU movies have been preoccupied with cataclysm and apocalypse, even unending violence.
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Thor Ragnarok was pretty fun. So was Spider-Man Homecoming. Other than those, I could take or leave just about all of em.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:13
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It's literally identical. Superhero movies, when they're good, are just science fiction movies. I like the resurgence of relatively 'hard' sci-fi, even if the tradeoff is a lot of bad Star Wars junk.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:14
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I suppose people enjoy what they enjoy. I myself go to the cinema two or three times a year (this year has been a little different - I have been to the cinema five times this year) and I'll usually pick something that seems like it will be "good enough". There are other options for adult-skewing "popcorn" movies - I'm thinking of stuff like Atomic Blonde or John Wick, arguably even Widows, which seems to me to be like a sort of thriller along the lines of The Fugitive that would've starred Harrison Ford or Mel Gibson 25 years ago - but they just don't seem to find the same audience. You know, people have said they want a Black Widow movie for years and years but then they didn't necessarily go to see Atomic Blonde or Red Sparrow. 
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Nov 19, 2018 22:15
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X-Ray Pecs posted:The Coen Bros followed up a striking, fantastical drama about writers’ block with a movie about a man inventing hula hoops, and they followed up Blood Simple. with a goddamn apocalyptic screwball comedy about child abduction, Coen fans should be used to their tonal whiplash. Yeah, it's to a point where it's interesting to see how they almost always follow up their darkest films with light entries. Fargo and Big Lebowski and Inside Llewyn Davis and Hail Caesar! also apply. Samuel Clemens posted:I assume Electronico6 is referring to Kurosawa never being as admired in Japan as he was (and is) in the West. Some critics and directors (Nagisa Oshima most notably) even accused him of deliberately pandering to the tastes of foreign audiences. I know this comes down to personal preference but Japanese film always seems to be what cinephiles in the West flock to but Chinese film is just so vastly more interesting to me.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:16
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Man oh man was Avengers 3 not better than the other Avengers movie, so far it's the only Marvel movie bad enough to make me mad.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:18
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I like the resurgence of relatively 'hard' sci-fi, even if the tradeoff is a lot of bad Star Wars junk. I think Arrival doing well (I assume better than expected) will lead to some dope scifi movies before like three of them inevitably bomb horribly in a row and Hollywood mostly gives up on the genre for ten years or do.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:21
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LesterGroans posted:I'm not sure I agree 100% on your police work there, Lou. Even if you do think it's an anomaly or not representative of the larger cinematic universe, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is just undeniably a good movie. It's not perfect movie, but someone's opinion of it is a real good way to tell if they just have a set opinion about Marvel movies and won't change it regardless of the actual movies' quality.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:22
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The only superhero movie I’ve seen for years was Thor: Ragnarok which was meant to be quite good. It was. I rather enjoyed it.
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Gripweed posted:Even if you do think it's an anomaly or not representative of the larger cinematic universe, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is just undeniably a good movie. It's not perfect movie, but someone's opinion of it is a real good way to tell if they just have a set opinion about Marvel movies and won't change it regardless of the actual movies' quality. I hated GotG 2 but I liked Thor: Ragnarok and Venom quite a bit so I'm going to say your theory ain't ironclad.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:24
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Gripweed posted:Even if you do think it's an anomaly or not representative of the larger cinematic universe, Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is just undeniably a good movie. It's not perfect movie, but someone's opinion of it is a real good way to tell if they just have a set opinion about Marvel movies and won't change it regardless of the actual movies' quality. I like GoTG2 but this is a really weird take. Opinions of that movie, even with Marvel fans, is pretty mixed.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:25
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axelblaze posted:I think Arrival doing well (I assume better than expected) will lead to some dope scifi movies before like three of them inevitably bomb horribly in a row and Hollywood mostly gives up on the genre for ten years or do. The studio did Annihilation dirty
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Nov 19, 2018 22:28
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axelblaze posted:I like GoTG2 but this is a really weird take. Opinions of that movie, even with Marvel fans, is pretty mixed. I'm sure there are legitimate movies to not like it, what I mean is if someone is just like, oh boy another mediocre Marvel movie, they're all literally the exact same, an unmemorable slurry of poo poo. If someone has that take, then that means they went in with an opinion and would not be moved. GotG 2 was about something, it had a very clear theme that was reflected in the story and emotional arc and literally every character's backstory and arc through the movie. If you're gonna have a serious critical opinion about it, then you've gotta deal with that. You can't just say "lol Marvel movies suck"
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Nov 19, 2018 22:30
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TrixRabbi posted:I know this comes down to personal preference but Japanese film always seems to be what cinephiles in the West flock to but Chinese film is just so vastly more interesting to me. axelblaze posted:I think Arrival doing well (I assume better than expected) will lead to some dope scifi movies before like three of them inevitably bomb horribly in a row and Hollywood mostly gives up on the genre for ten years or do.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:32
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Would anyone be able to be point me to some academic feminist critiques on incels/MRAs?
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Nov 19, 2018 22:34
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Gripweed posted:GotG 2 was about something, it had a very clear theme that was reflected in the story and emotional arc and literally every character's backstory and arc through the movie. It was about lovely dads, right? There's a lot of better movies about lovely dads, especially in the sci-fi/action genre.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:35
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TrixRabbi posted:It was about lovely dads, right? There's a lot of better movies about lovely dads, especially in the sci-fi/action genre. More specifically about coming from an abused or neglectful family can gently caress up your abilities to form new relationships later. And the importance of knowing the difference between lovely relationships worth saving and toxic relationships you need to end.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:37
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CPL593H posted:Try and explain it then. No
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Nov 19, 2018 22:43
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I mostly liked GoTG2, but it felt like the movie was less than the sum of its parts. I legitimately don't know what film people are talking about when they say "Avengers 3" because I'm pretty sure some of you are talking about Captain America: Civil War and some of you are talking about Avengers: Infinity War, but I'm not sure which are which. Thor 3 is probably my favorite Marvel film. Though Dr. Strange has the best ending of any Marvel film. These are my opinions on the MCU.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:44
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I loved the MCU until it fired James Gunn. Now I will just watch up until Spider-Man 2 and call it a day.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:45
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The main thing I can say against GotG2 is there's an Adventure Time episode with basically the same plot but they managed to do it better in 15 minutes
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Nov 19, 2018 22:45
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Adventure Time sucks and is up its own rear end.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:46
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CelticPredator posted:I loved the MCU until it fired James Gunn. Now I will just watch up until Spider-Man 2 and call it a day. That's an odd hill to die on, but I respect your conviction. Do you think everyone being offered a job to be in any Marvel film from here on out should turn it down on principal? Are you going to boycott other films made by Disney?
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Nov 19, 2018 22:47
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axelblaze posted:I think Arrival doing well (I assume better than expected) will lead to some dope scifi movies before like three of them inevitably bomb horribly in a row and Hollywood mostly gives up on the genre for ten years or do. The trick here is that with 'prestigious' sci-fi like Arrival, Blade Runner 2, Annihilation, etc., what we actually get is a load of 'uplifting' new-agey obscurantism where audiences are 'touched by the poetry' but don't really pay attention to why things are happening. It's vital to navigate through the trash to find something actually-good like Hardcore Henry, Ghost In the Shell, or Terminator 5. That's where the superhero movies trend can be useful.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:48
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CelticPredator posted:Adventure Time sucks and is up its own rear end. Nope
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Nov 19, 2018 22:48
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I just hate they shafted my second favorite director with a franchise I really enjoyed over something I find to be disgusting and scary. I just don’t really care much about the films going forward. Maybe strange 2 might be another one, unless they get rid of the team from the first.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:49
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Dunking on people for enjoying superhero movies is my least favorite part of the thread cycle Or even worse, feigning inability to understand why people like them. I don't understand why a woman I work with enjoys Shinedown and Papa Roach but I don't pester her all night with questions about how she can enjoy what to me are incomprehensibly bad pieces of art. What's the point?
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Nov 19, 2018 22:50
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axelblaze posted:Nope I used to love it but it took away everything I enjoyed about it. Regular Show was better.
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axelblaze posted:The main thing I can say against GotG2 is there's an Adventure Time episode with basically the same plot but they managed to do it better in 15 minutes They both did the story a guy finding his birth father and having to deal with the fact that he was a piece of poo poo. But GotG put a lot more focus on how that kind of thing effects you later in life, which I think is a lot more interesting
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Nov 19, 2018 22:53
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Gripweed posted:They both did the story a guy finding his birth father and having to deal with the fact that he was a piece of poo poo. But GotG put a lot more focus on how that kind of thing effects you later in life, which I think is a lot more interesting Empire Strikes Back is over in the corner waving its hand. I'd say both hands, but, you know...
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Nov 19, 2018 22:57
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CelticPredator posted:I used to love it but it took away everything I enjoyed about it. What I saw of Regular Show was good, but it could get repetitive at points, the second season alone had 3 different episodes that featured a character coming to the park and replacing one of the main characters.
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It does yeah. But I think given the two, I stuck it out with RS because it never took away what was appealing about it in the first place. The stuff with Mordicai’s girlfriend was kinda dire but had a good ending.
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Nov 19, 2018 22:59
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Skwirl posted:Empire Strikes Back is over in the corner waving its hand. I'd say both hands, but, you know... Luke believed his dad was dead. The discovery that his father was alive and that his father was a piece of poo poo were a singular event. And it didn't actually conflict with what he knew about his father before. Which is a significantly different arc than Finn and Peter, who didn't know anything about their dads and actively wanted to find them, found them, and only afterwards discovered that they were a piece of poo poo.
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Gripweed posted:They both did the story a guy finding his birth father and having to deal with the fact that he was a piece of poo poo. But GotG put a lot more focus on how that kind of thing effects you later in life, which I think is a lot more interesting The issue with comic book movies and prestige sci-fi is precisely this. You've got a movie about a sentient planet, but it 'boils down to' the story of an alcoholic dad. So why the did anyone even bother with all this special effects stuff? This is where you get the CPL temptation to say "watch an actual relationship drama for christs sake!" I'd like a movie that's actually about the sentient planet.
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For me Adventure Time was just a show that somehow always did what it wanted. It didn't always work but I never found it bad and the creativity was always there, it's just the tone shifted as Finn got older. I know at times it was more of a series of animated indie shorts but I hope I at least still have enough of a presence on these forums for y'all to know why that would heavily appeal to me
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Nov 19, 2018 23:07
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axelblaze posted:For me Adventure Time was just a show that somehow always did what it wanted. It didn't always work but I never found it bad and the creativity was always there, it's just the tone shifted as Finn got older. I know at times it was more of a series of animated indie shorts but I hope I at least still have enough of a presence on these forums for y'all to know why that would heavily appeal to me I stopped watching after the episode where Finn got raped
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I’m not attacking you. I just didn’t like it after a while.
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Also I realized you probably thought I was talking about Finn when I said they did the same story but no Jake also had a lovely dad, but there he was literally a long living alien that lures Jake in with a planet he controls in order to get his power to extend his life. I do agree that didn't have much to do with the long term effects that would have (because Jake didn't know he was adopted at all) but a metric ton of Finn's stuff is him dealing with having no strong family unit and dealing with not knowing who either of his real parent are. Gripweed posted:I stopped watching after the episode where Finn got raped People really need to stop using rape to describe things that are not rape. He made out with a girl that was more into him than he was into her. She didn't force him, he was just in a bad place and trying to get over it by just making out with people.
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CelticPredator posted:I’m not attacking you. I just didn’t like it after a while. I don't know where I'm coming off like I think you're attacking me? I'm just saying why I liked the show. You assume I'm hostile oddly often.
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axelblaze posted:For me Adventure Time was just a show that somehow always did what it wanted. It didn't always work but I never found it bad and the creativity was always there, it's just the tone shifted as Finn got older. I know at times it was more of a series of animated indie shorts but I hope I at least still have enough of a presence on these forums for y'all to know why that would heavily appeal to me Adventure Time put writing power back into storyboard artists and the animators and helped revitalize the monotonous streak animation was headed down. It remembered that animation allows for so much expression and humor and depth that had been ignored by mainstream USA cartoons for about a decade. That show was so colorful and creative that it's amazing it made Cartoon Network the cartoon channel after Nickelodeon owned that title since the Klasky-Csupo days. It sucks that it created an embarrassing fandom and pale imitations, but that's true with anything so whatever. Regular Show was okay, but I never needed a stoner cartoon about two slackers that like video games with a fan-base exactly like it's protagonists. If it shed that identity or ever evolved to be more than that, like Adventure Time did, it never kept my attention long enough to find out. Other shows already did the stoner slacker concept better, and those didn't have to appeal their language and humor to tweenagers.
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