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Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Misc posted:

cubans

Also Nelson straight didn't try. He basically did nothing.

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KiteAuraan
Aug 5, 2014

JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!


Grondoth posted:

Also Nelson straight didn't try. He basically did nothing.

That the AZ governor race. The Dem just like, gave up, I guess because he figured the bone Ducey threw to teachers that was covered in slow-acting poison scared Dems and they thought he was too strong.

Democratic candidates did p. drat well in the rest of the state.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Grondoth posted:

Also Nelson straight didn't try. He basically did nothing.

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Grondoth posted:

Also Nelson straight didn't try. He basically did nothing.

I was kind of astounded on how late in the campaign it took him to realize he might lose. Like alot of Clintonite dems aren't just lovely politically, but also seem to think that they can just coast to elections whenever the wind is against the GOP. It's good in a sense because really the party is better without them. But also really is going to make things hurt in the short term for a while.

DAD LOST MY IPOD
Feb 3, 2012

Fats Dominar is on the case


one major reason we live in hellworld is that, in addition to the GOP being blood-gargling psychos, their main opposition party is incredibly incompetent. we have to bleed out that poison before we can fix things and it’s gonna hurt while we do

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

cuban expats are filth

Plebian Parasite
Oct 12, 2012

zegermans posted:

cuban expats are filth

there was a gop ad running here in florida that was along the lines of "communism isn't all bad, after all it made all the BEST cubans move here to THE US"

Food Boner
Jul 2, 2005

Ocean Book posted:

the tales of how inconsistently the digital voting machines work would be funny if they weren't sad. I think the general public has a perception that machine = reliable, I know I used to. Actually working with machines in manufacturing has shown me that in general machines are frustrating and unreliable piles of garbage.

I'm betting the answer is no, but do they do QA process control checks on these voting machines during operation? It's insanely easy for a machine to start operating out of specification if you aren't constantly validating that it is.

i dont disagree here but this is just as dogmatic a take as implicitly trusting machines

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

zegermans posted:

cuban expats are filth

A lot of younger Cubans are actually good, but you have to, like, engage them??

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Vox Nihili posted:

A lot of younger Cubans are actually good, but you have to, like, engage them??

Wow almost like dems should stop being racist and stop expecting the Hispanic vote to come to them always?

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Utah 4th is a dead heat that's coming down to the last provisional ballot, btw.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
Is there any evidence that voting machines were deliberately made to be unreliable, because they were funded by people who want voting to be unreliable? Because yeah, machines are usually made to be reliable these days.

Shear the Sheep
Dec 31, 2008
another one bites the dust

https://twitter.com/CATargetBot/status/1064685185386467328

nooneofconsequence
Oct 30, 2012

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.


All these white male democrats keep defeating minority republicans!

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Vox Nihili posted:

Utah 4th is a dead heat that's coming down to the last provisional ballot, btw.

McAdams wins!!! Huge swing in the last batch of provisionals puts him over!

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2018/11/19/election-update-utah/

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Vox Nihili posted:

McAdams wins!!! Huge swing in the last batch of provisionals puts him over!

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2018/11/19/election-update-utah/

Owns

No love from Love love love loved loves

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Vox Nihili posted:

McAdams wins!!! Huge swing in the last batch of provisionals puts him over!

https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2018/11/19/election-update-utah/

I guess that's cool the Dems won a Utah seat, but him signing that letter about how he won't support Pelosi because she's a super liberal really took the shine off this win.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

nooneofconsequence posted:

All these white male democrats keep defeating minority republicans!

They're probably all the rear end in a top hat kids of the fuckers in East LA that sat on top of strip malls taking potshots at black people.

Shear the Sheep
Dec 31, 2008

PostNouveau posted:

I guess that's cool the Dems won a Utah seat, but him signing that letter about how he won't support Pelosi because she's a super liberal really took the shine off this win.

https://twitter.com/PerryNBCBoston/status/1064680820668010496

the letter is written by a bunch of babies who are now sad their voters are telling them they're stupid. we'll see what happens but these idiots could easily get primaried now

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1059502099543789568

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1064689299982114816

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




lol the senate was such a stupid idea

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

U-DO Burger posted:

lol the senate was such a stupid idea

:hai:

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

U-DO Burger posted:

lol America was such a stupid idea

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

U-DO Burger posted:

lol the senate was such a stupid idea

Give every native American tribe a Senate seat imo

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Lawman 0 posted:

Give every native American tribe a Senate seat imo

why just one seat

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



the senate was actually a genius idea to make sure that the rich minority would control the country forever

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.

Shear Modulus posted:

the senate was actually a genius idea to make sure that the rich minority would control the country forever

And people say Republicans don't like minorities. :smug:

Food Boner
Jul 2, 2005
sorry everyone mueller is ready to release his findings


that russia influenced the midterms for the dems

reignonyourparade
Nov 15, 2012
EDIT: this post was dumb based on completely misreading what i was responding to

Bulgakov
Mar 8, 2009


рукописи не горят

Ocean Book posted:

the tales of how inconsistently the digital voting machines work would be funny if they weren't sad. I think the general public has a perception that machine = reliable, I know I used to. Actually working with machines in manufacturing has shown me that in general machines are frustrating and unreliable piles of garbage.

I'm betting the answer is no, but do they do QA process control checks on these voting machines during operation? It's insanely easy for a machine to start operating out of specification if you aren't constantly validating that it is.

lol

slot machines and video poker things in vegas have extremely rigorous checks

voting? wellllll um

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

Bulgakov posted:

lol

slot machines and video poker things in vegas have extremely rigorous checks

voting? wellllll um
Slot machines get used a billion times every day but voting machines are just a few times a year at most. It can't be just a maintenance issue.

Samurai Sanders has issued a correction as of 13:01 on Nov 20, 2018

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

Shear Modulus posted:

the senate was actually a genius idea to make sure that the rich minority would control the country forever

That was the idea behind having state legislatures vote. Giving less populated states disproportionate representation probably seemed like a better idea when frontier states were using their disproportionate representation to extract money for infrastructure from the coastal states. The alignment of the gerrymandering of the House, the Senate, and the interests of the rich so that the bias is in one direction is unprecedented, like a rare alignment of the planets.

galenanorth has issued a correction as of 13:51 on Nov 20, 2018

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

With the gerrymandering going on, is it really down to record turnout that the Democrats won the House? And if so, how do you make sure that happens again in 2020? Just keep the Dem voters angry about Tmurp?

galenanorth
May 19, 2016

An insane mind posted:

With the gerrymandering going on, is it really down to record turnout that the Democrats won the House? And if so, how do you make sure that happens again in 2020? Just keep the Dem voters angry about Tmurp?

Maybe. Democrats are at 53.0% of the popular vote right now. The sad thing is that keeping voters angry about Trump might work in the short-term.

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

An insane mind posted:

With the gerrymandering going on, is it really down to record turnout that the Democrats won the House? And if so, how do you make sure that happens again in 2020? Just keep the Dem voters angry about Tmurp?

many states are passing anti-gerrymandering referendums/amendments on their own, so the problem might solve itself eventually.

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Samurai Sanders posted:

Slot machines get used a billion times every day but voting machines are just a few times a year at most. It can't be just a maintenance issue.

think about it from the perspective of a voting machine manufacturer. you could make a reliable, fairly secure voting machine, or you could make a malfunctioning piece of junk that will break down in half the time. the second option means twice the sales, far less money spend on design/manufacture, and your voting machine will win competitive price bids.

the difference between those options is that the casinos that buy the slot machines profit from them working correctly and being perceived as honest. state governments don't have any incentive to keep voting machines in good shape.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


An insane mind posted:

With the gerrymandering going on, is it really down to record turnout that the Democrats won the House? And if so, how do you make sure that happens again in 2020? Just keep the Dem voters angry about Tmurp?

Presidential years are higher turnout in general and moreso for Dems than reps, or at least that's been the case historically.

2020 state level races are vital to undo the gerrymandering damage after the next census. It's hard to crack, but if the gender gap keeps growing that's harder to gerrymander around than racial and class divides

rex rabidorum vires
Mar 26, 2007

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An insane mind posted:

With the gerrymandering going on, is it really down to record turnout that the Democrats won the House? And if so, how do you make sure that happens again in 2020? Just keep the Dem voters angry about Tmurp?

PAs gerrymandering was so bad from 2010 that the lawsuit succeeded by basically showing if you randomly redrew the map a hundred million (or a billion forget which) times 99.87% of those maps would be more friendly to democrats. Additionally, there is a whole bunch of language about how districts were supposed to be drawn which was completely ignored and subverted when the map was drawn. I forget if this is the first or second election with CAs independent commission drawing their map, but that certainly helped. So a combination of 'Blue wave/tide/trickle' and some redraws certainly helped. Looking forward Michigan just approved a whole bunch of interesting voter stuff...dunno about gerrymander stuff, but it's positive either way. If Florida ever gives the right to vote back to felons (they won't) that would probably be a huge game changer there. NC has a gerrymander case that is very similar to the PA one which with the addition of another Dem friendly judge (adding to their majority tbf) could have a similar outcome as PAs. There were some other gerrymander lawsuits working their way through the system as well which depending on how they play out could make holding the house in 2020 a bit less difficult but then 2020 census will probably ruin that on top of Trump trumping so RIP I guess.

Shear the Sheep
Dec 31, 2008
https://twitter.com/espyforsenate/status/1064970514551226368

lmao if the dems win Mississippi

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Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Mississippi's population is 37 black lmao jim crow is real

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