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I had to step away for a bit, but getting back to my previous points that I was trying to make. People need to stop being so cynical for once. Take the win here. Not every single person elected will be as far left as you, but there is no question that liberals have moved the overton window out left in this election. The moderates who won are now less moderate than they were 8 years ago when there was the last wave. I'm not sure any of them are pro-life. None of them are on the record saying the tax cuts were a good idea. They all support the ACA completely, which was a complete pain in the rear end to get the blue dogs to pass even this watered down bill. I think all of them at least support a public option now, which was unheard of only 8 years ago just like it was unheard of the the furthest left in the party to support medicare for all, which is now supported by nearly every presidential candidate. If that's not enough, look at specific examples Alison Spanberger is in a district near me who beat Dave Brat in what used to be Eric Cantor's old seat. I don't know the last time that district was blue. She is one of the moderates who is against Pelosi as speaker, but step back for a moment here and look at this. They replaced someone who won because he was more extreme than Cantor with someone who is unabashedly pro-choice, who wants a public option and would probably support medicare for all if she really had to. She's pro-amnesty. She wants an assault rifle ban and background checks. She wants the feds to decriminalize marijuana. She believes in climate change and wants action on it. All of this and you are still bitching at this kind of person. WAHHHHHHHHHH. This wasn't a vote that Pelosi would have ever gotten anyway on her speakership if she couldn't win it and you're already looking for concessions from these people and attacking them from their left flank. Chill out. These reps are going to vote with hardcore liberals 90% of the time instead of a dave brat voting against them 99% of the time and they are all to the left of every blue dog and "obama liberal" from 5 or 10 years ago. And by running on these platforms, this is their mandate. They didn't have to tack to the right in order to win their districts here. The worst they had to do was not associate themselves with current leadership...good! Don't! The point is that their actual positions have all shifted left and on top of that the progressives in the caucus have already begun doing the heavy lifting of primarying moderates in safe blue districts to shift the party further left in the coming years. These things take time, be patient. EDIT: Abigail Spanberger...gently caress, whatever holysherm fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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Hey guys, you remember that https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...m=.a00f14ffc085 "WaPo posted:The Trump administration is preparing to add Venezuela to the U.S. list of state sponsors of terrorism in what would be a dramatic escalation against the socialist government of Nicolás Maduro, according to U.S. officials and internal government emails. Edit: Because GB is right GreyjoyBastard posted:it's not a war authorization, though, rather it lets the administration gently caress with them in economic/aid ways that go beyond the current (basically good!) sanctions osker fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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Your Taint posted:gently caress them. Let them be first against the (metaphorical) wall. If you're dumb enough to vote against your own self interest you deserve whatever happens. It's like chickens voting for Colonel Sanders. Fognose leghorn (lookney tunes) promotes KFC in some old commercials. e for another post because reason: IMO we should take a few F35s out of the budget and set it aside to give the next dozen or so Congresses and Senates (and their staff) full rides for bullet and knife resistant uniforms that also have GPLs and a/v recording stuff. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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my bony fealty posted:McAdams back in the lead, Mia Love might really lose Who do you think Trump wants to win? The black woman who didn't love him enough, or the Democrat?
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Ague Proof posted:Who do you think Trump wants to win? The black woman who didn't love him enough, or the Democrat? That's easy. He already danced on Mia Love's grave, so the Democrat.
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Zwabu posted:That's easy. He already danced on Mia Love's grave, so the Democrat. I gotta admit when he said "Too bad Mia" it did make me chuckle.
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VitalSigns posted:Ah the "my son has autism and he got vaccinated" argument. It's not fundamentally unprovable, like there is possible evidence that could prove it we just don't have that evidence if it exists. This is a exceptionally dumb non sequitur and embarrassingly bad analogy even by D&D standards.
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osker posted:Hey guys, you remember that as much as i hate maduro, this would be bad it's not a war authorization, though, rather it lets the administration gently caress with them in economic/aid ways that go beyond the current (basically good!) sanctions osker posted:Edit: Because GB is right  thank you for posting the article for sure, i'd probably have missed it in the deluge Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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holysherm posted:I had to step away for a bit, but getting back to my previous points that I was trying to make. People need to stop being so cynical for once. Take the win here. Not every single person elected will be as far left as you, but there is no question that liberals have moved the overton window out left in this election. The moderates who won are now less moderate than they were 8 years ago when there was the last wave. I'm not sure any of them are pro-life. None of them are on the record saying the tax cuts were a good idea. They all support the ACA completely, which was a complete pain in the rear end to get the blue dogs to pass even this watered down bill. I think all of them at least support a public option now, which was unheard of only 8 years ago just like it was unheard of the the furthest left in the party to support medicare for all, which is now supported by nearly every presidential candidate. If that's not enough, look at specific examples hey her names Abigail Spanberger this is only funny bc Dave Brat said the words "Nancy Pelosi" appx. 9000 times in their debate and she was like "my name is ABIGAIL SPANBERGER jfc" glad she won and the West End got its poo poo together for once. too bad shes a spook but w/e
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my bony fealty posted:hey her names Abigail Spanberger lol christ, gently caress me, yes.
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Jarmak posted:This is a exceptionally dumb non sequitur and embarrassingly bad analogy even by D&D standards. All right man, there's a reason the government didn't think the circumstantial case you're making was even worth bringing up at trial, and the reason for that is because it's a bad case. I find it interesting that say Tamir Rice deserved to die beyond question because the definitely-not-at-all-murder-cop-biased justice system refused to indict so that settles that, but suddenly you're okay with throwing out the rules of evidence and a judge's verdict and presuming guilt based on circumstances and "well you can't prove she isn't guilty"
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my bony fealty posted:McAdams back in the lead, Mia Love might really lose This rules because the Republicans lost. In Utah. That is worth far more than the 2-4 years Dems will hold the seat.
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yronic heroism posted:This rules because the Republicans lost. In Utah. That is worth far more than the 2-4 years Dems will hold the seat. Thank God. Been watching this one while in NZ cause it's my district and thought it was going back to Love for sure. McAdams was about the only candidate with a shot of winning and is more liberal than he campaigns.
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Still not sure how a black woman even became a senator in Utah, didnt The Mormons lierally only say that non whites had souls in 70s or later?
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PhazonLink posted:Still not sure how a black woman even became a senator in Utah, didnt The Mormons lierally only say that non whites had souls in 70s or later? mitt romney heard about it on the radio and had to pull over because he was weeping with joy because he knew that if it hadn't happened his national political career was dead on arrival edit also she was never a senator just a house rep, although the general idea stands Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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PhazonLink posted:Still not sure how a black woman even became a senator in Utah, didnt The Mormons lierally only say that non whites had souls in 70s or later? She campaigned on how terrible the Congressional Black Caucus is for saying racism exists and white people are doing any of it
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GreyjoyBastard posted:mitt romney heard about it on the radio and had to pull over because he was weeping with joy Yeah, but it still is anyway.
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https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1064584648280481793yronic heroism posted:This rules because the Republicans lost. In Utah. That is worth far more than the 2-4 years Dems will hold the seat. She hasn't lost yet. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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Fulchrum posted:Yeah, but it still is anyway. i know, it's great
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PhazonLink posted:Still not sure how a black woman even became a senator in Utah, didnt The Mormons lierally only say that non whites had souls in 70s or later? One of my grad school colleagues was part of her campaign and it was just purely for tokenism. They called her their "BMW" (Black Mormon Woman) and think that since they promoted her up she'd show the world Utah's totally not a bunch of weird white Mormons. Before she was a rep she was "Mayor" of a tiny Mormon town in Utah County that's run by a City Manager so she was really just a figurehead then as well. Pretty much how she acted as a representative as well. Just did what she was told and voted accordingly.
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AOC, as usual, had the perfect take on Pelosi-gate.
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VitalSigns posted:All right man, there's a reason the government didn't think the circumstantial case you're making was even worth bringing up at trial, and the reason for that is because it's a bad case. the most shocking thing about this is that there is someone in D&D who still reads Jarmak posts.
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mcmagic posted:AOC, as usual, had the perfect take on Pelosi-gate. wanna post it?
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Ague Proof posted:Cops are Trumplovers, like the ones who went in to arrest Stormy Daniels under a false pretext. Of course he'd be right handed. 
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That Pelosi quote ain’t wrong. Ague Proof posted:She hasn't lost yet. Just let us have nice things for one night. Tomorrow I shall commit my ritu transformation to a corncob in penance.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:wanna post it? She was on Chris Hayes' show.
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VitalSigns posted:All right man, there's a reason the government didn't think the circumstantial case you're making was even worth bringing up at trial, and the reason for that is because it's a bad case. This is again a bunch of poo poo that didn't happen and you've either made up or fundamentally do not understand to the point you're describing them so poorly as to be indistinguishable from being made up. The Taliban and other groups kill/beat/torture people that it identifies as working with the US Manning publicly identified a bunch of people who were working with the US A large number of these identified people were killed, other's that were connected to those identified were killed. Not being able to individually prove that any of these specific instances were a result of manning's identification rather than another source of identification does not prove none of them were killed based on her information. This isn't "we can't prove vaccines don't cause autism" (which by the way is bullshit because we have a bunch of evidence they don't) this is "we can't prove whether it was a lifetime of smoking or the asbestos exposure that caused the lung cancer". You're looking at the latter and saying it's proof asbestos is perfectly safe.
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Ague Proof posted:Cops are Trumplovers, like the ones who went in to arrest Stormy Daniels under a false pretext. I love the person in the replies who says "BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME" and when pushed for an example from the left replies "I can't think of one but I know they do it".
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GreyjoyBastard posted:mitt romney heard about it on the radio and had to pull over because he was weeping with joy Or maybe he was happy he would finally be open about his love for chocolate goodies I mean donuts. and by doughnuts I mean chocolate delights because Mittens literally didnt know what a donut was. PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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I love how loving lit up anybody gets on Twitter talking stupid poo poo on AOC https://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/1064596650713391108?s=19
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Ague Proof posted:Cops are Trumplovers, like the ones who went in to arrest Stormy Daniels under a false pretext. and she already addressed this with Charlie Kirk... https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1041007083058024449
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Tatsuta Age posted:I love how loving lit up anybody gets on Twitter talking stupid poo poo on AOC all of these posts by conservatives are really stupid but I don't think it will get better than sarah loving palin saying that someone doesn't know civics
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Tatsuta Age posted:I love how loving lit up anybody gets on Twitter talking stupid poo poo on AOC Why does Sarah Palin have a website named GovernorPalin.org? She was governor for less than a year.
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Tatsuta Age posted:I love how loving lit up anybody gets on Twitter talking stupid poo poo on AOC Gonna need a lot more civic failures to catch up to the great white trash from the north.
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holysherm posted:*snip* You're alright.   Serfer posted:and she already addressed this with Charlie Kirk... lol Charlie getting his head kicked in again.
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Serfer posted:and she already addressed this with Charlie Kirk... stupid thing is i weirdly never knew they gave you clothes for the interview magazine shoots. like, i knew but i didn't also AOC kicks rear end. Tatsuta Age posted:I love how loving lit up anybody gets on Twitter talking stupid poo poo on AOC jesus. says the dumb poo poo prom queen who's legit white trash and destroyed a presidential campaign through her sheer ignorance.
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Stereotype posted:Why does Sarah Palin have a website named GovernorPalin.org? She was governor for less than a year. And about a decade ago. She's about as irrelevant as they come these days.
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Just looked at Charlie Kirk's twitter and holy poo poo, he is really obsessed with AOC.
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Jarmak posted:This is again a bunch of poo poo that didn't happen and you've either made up or fundamentally do not understand to the point you're describing them so poorly as to be indistinguishable from being made up. According to the case many of the people identified died before the leak even happened so I'm going to ask you to back up what a "large number" is and whether more people died after than before (do you even know) Also according to that link the judge scrubbed the record of the claim that someone died because of the leak so I didn't misremember, that claim was so spurious she wasn't just acquitted of it, it wasn't even allowed to be recorded as evidence in a show trial of a political prisoner whose guilt was predetermined behind the barest fig leaf of legitimacy. Jarmak posted:Not being able to individually prove that any of these specific instances were a result of manning's identification rather than another source of identification does not prove none of them were killed based on her information. Jarmak posted:This isn't "we can't prove vaccines don't cause autism" (which by the way is bullshit because we have a bunch of evidence they don't) this is "we can't prove whether it was a lifetime of smoking or the asbestos exposure that caused the lung cancer". You're looking at the latter and saying it's proof asbestos is perfectly safe. It is literally true that you can't prove the cause of lung cancer in some specific instance, but we don't have to because we make policy based on statistical evidence over a large number of cases. But we're not dealing with a large number of cases where we can look at population data and estimate the average number of deaths per leak if any, we're talking about the specific case of specific guilt attaching to a specific individual and we don't convict individuals based on population trends for very obvious reasons even if we had population trends for something like this which we don't. Like I guess since a bunch of people in the leak were dying before it happened, you could maybe compare whether there was an uptick after the leak, idk if anyone's done that but I'm skeptical that if someone did and it showed even a shred of likelihood that she killed anyone that Obama would still have given her clemency. But maybe you have secret evidence that the CIA and the military doesn't even know about. Or maybe Obama did know and released her because he's a secret Muslim, I can't disprove it! VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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Young Freud posted:And about a decade ago. She's about as irrelevant as they come these days. i remember her name was being floated for interior secretary after trump won. ryan zinke is terrible but i don't know if my brain could have handled sarah palin being relevant again
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