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While I don't disagree with what anyone is saying, it does seem rather lol-worthy in the context of our last healthcare discussion in this thread (that focused on how Obamacare didn't help control healthcare costs). Edit: off the top of my head, $2 billion a year would cover insulin costs for 5% of the US diabetic population, ie 1.5 million people. Tibalt fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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kidkissinger posted:Why not Because the infrastructure and expertise required to produce and maintain supply of these sorts of therapies is not something the government currently has? Don't get me wrong: I think this is something that governments should be developing, to solve exactly this problem, but it will take a huge amount of investment and in all likelihood, a decent amount of time in order to reach the end goal. We need to start on that poo poo now but it doesn't do any good to pretend it will solve the problem overnight and at limited cost.
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Womp womp. https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1064889829148827648
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cr0y posted:Collins is a flaming piece of poo poo wreckage.
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PT6A posted:Because the infrastructure and expertise required to produce and maintain supply of these sorts of therapies is not something the government currently has? Don't get me wrong: I think this is something that governments should be developing, to solve exactly this problem, but it will take a huge amount of investment and in all likelihood, a decent amount of time in order to reach the end goal. We need to start on that poo poo now but it doesn't do any good to pretend it will solve the problem overnight and at limited cost. According to the article the major investment was clinical trials, which cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and which the government could easily do because it just involves paying people to conduct clinical trials. The government could contract out the manufacturing to a private company for a reasonable per-unit profit and still make the drug available at cost because it doesn't need to charge $1 million a dose to make back the investment in clinical trials in an investor-approved timeframe. Or make it free since it's only a few hundred people in the entire world who need it once a decade. No one is saying the government needs to own a vertically integrated supply chain or anything (not that the government is incapable of such a thing)
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Koalas Massacre posted:
That’s just Saw 3. Or maybe 4. I completely lost track of where that series went.
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Value based pricing is a symptom of maximizing for shareholder value.
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Since we're on the topic, why don't current calls for M4A include a component for a nationalized medical research program? There are tons of people who could be employed in this in labs all over the country, and the treatments that come out could then have their costs controlled significantly. It seems like this would be a good way to control current and future medical costs.
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Apparently it actually WAS mostly researched via government grants in the first place, anyway.
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gently caress this company and healthcare for profit in general, but whoooo boy is that Twitter full of big pharma conspiracy nutjobs
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Nov 20, 2018 15:42
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Crain posted:That’s just Saw 3. Or maybe 4. I completely lost track of where that series went. It all just became torture porn afte the first one.
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Solkanar512 posted:Since we're on the topic, why don't current calls for M4A include a component for a nationalized medical research program? There are tons of people who could be employed in this in labs all over the country, and the treatments that come out could then have their costs controlled significantly. It seems like this would be a good way to control current and future medical costs. I think that's a good policy proposal actually.
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reignonyourparade posted:Apparently it actually WAS mostly researched via government grants in the first place, anyway. IIRC most drug research in the US is like 90% paid for by the public, 10% by a private company, and the private company gets exclusive rights to sell it if something marketable comes out of the research. Whoever told me this could have been lying but it sounds feasible.
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VitalSigns posted:According to the article the major investment was clinical trials, which cost hundreds of millions of dollars, and which the government could easily do because it just involves paying people to conduct clinical trials. Honestly this makes the most sense. I worked for a CRO before, that's a company that administers clinical trials and does the paperwork, and there's layer upon layer of government regulations dictating how they work and etc. Seems like a no brainer just to cut the middleman and have the government just administer the tests per their own regulations.
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Crain posted:That’s just Saw 3. Or maybe 4. I completely lost track of where that series went. It was actually Saw 6 that was Jigsaw getting revenge on pharma/insurance companies. Saw is a weird-rear end franchise. Anyway The Purge is the new best woke Horror franchise after the last two (affectionately known as "I'm With Her-ge" and "The Bl-erge") went all-in on being political af https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYYMnkoFtjM Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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reignonyourparade posted:Apparently it actually WAS mostly researched via government grants in the first place, anyway. 
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To clarify for some people, most drugs aren't like a bottle of aspirin that can sit on a shelf for a few years. If I had to guess, this drug probably requires very specific temperature controls and had a self life you could measure in days. It's not something you can stockpile.
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Koalas Massacre posted:
I’ll subscribe to your patreon
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VH4Ever posted:Honestly this makes the most sense. I worked for a CRO before, that's a company that administers clinical trials and does the paperwork, and there's layer upon layer of government regulations dictating how they work and etc. Seems like a no brainer just to cut the middleman and have the government just administer the tests per their own regulations. I'm a little hesitant to endorse the government directly running the trials because our government has done some really awful poo poo to people of color while conducting "medical research".
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I'm trying to imagine the David Brooks article in the Times trying to frame saving the lives of thousands of people as a bad thing because it means The Market won't be able to finance future cures (which would be similarly unaffordable) or some such bullshit when he knows it's really about ghoulishly profiting from human suffering and just making myself madder.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:So we could cure everyone of this painful disease for $1.5 billion. Ok, loving DO IT. That amount of money is loving nothing! Make one less F-35 Frankly, I'm not even sure pharma companies should be allowed make F-35s
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I have a new idea- seize the formulas of drugs that were researched through mostly public means if Pharma refuses to charge a reasonable amount.
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Shifty Pony posted:I'm a little hesitant to endorse the government directly running the trials because our government has done so really awful poo poo to people of color while conducting "medical research". So you want to trust private companies to treat minorities like humans instead?
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Shifty Pony posted:I'm a little hesitant to endorse the government directly running the trials because our government has done some really awful poo poo to people of color while conducting "medical research". Then have a separate agency as a watch dog. The alternative of having large pharma companies pull their current research funding while the US significantly drops their own isn't working.
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Shifty Pony posted:I'm a little hesitant to endorse the government directly running the trials because our government has done some really awful poo poo to people of color while conducting "medical research". what, and you think the private market is more ethical? private companies follow laws set by the government. if you don't trust the government you sure as poo poo can't trust private companies.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I have a new idea- seize the formulas of drugs that were researched through mostly public means if Pharma refuses to charge a reasonable amount. Most of the expensive drugs are biologics, it's not really as simple as seizing a formula. Even producing a biosimilar after patent expiration is a complex process with a lot of necessary regulatory hurdles
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Radish posted:I'm trying to imagine the David Brooks article in the Times trying to frame saving the lives of thousands of people as a bad thing because it means The Market won't be able to finance future cures (which would be similarly unaffordable) or some such bullshit when he knows it's really about ghoulishly profiting from human suffering and just making myself madder. In some editor's drawer there still sits an old op-ed bemoaning jonas Salk for just GIVING everyone the polio vaccine, ruining the iron lung industry and maliciously harming the free market and entrepreneurial spirit. Its day in the sunlight will soon come.
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lmao axios is the most loving trash outlet there is SIREN: we will publish anything the trump administration asks us to https://twitter.com/JimVandeHei/status/1064876012809478144
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eke out posted:lmao axios is the most loving trash outlet there is The courage to do what? Be the thumb up Trump's butt? Mustached Demon fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:So it's basically this again: ... wow sorry for the shitpost, I'd never seen that before and my god...
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Tibalt posted:To clarify for some people, most drugs aren't like a bottle of aspirin that can sit on a shelf for a few years. If I had to guess, this drug probably requires very specific temperature controls and had a self life you could measure in days. It's not something you can stockpile. People can survive years with this disease, so they could sign up on a waiting list for the cure. The government would have a production lab mothballed most of the year and then once enough people were signed up, they could produce a batch. I mean the picture from the article showed an Erlenmeyer flask sitting in a hood showing the small scale of production. It's like craft gene therapy.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Most of the expensive drugs are biologics, it's not really as simple as seizing a formula. Even producing a biosimilar after patent expiration is a complex process with a lot of necessary regulatory hurdles My gf is on a biologic and we are lower middle class. I don't think any of the things people are saying are difficult hurdles to clear
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You all realize that people with curable diseases aren't receiving treatments that don't cost a million dollars right now, right? Like, it's not a good situation but it feels like you could do more good calling for the nationalization of insulin production and free distribution before focusing on the rare gene therapy drug. I don't think you'd have continued production of this drug even in a socialized healthcare system.
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eke out posted:lmao axios is the most loving trash outlet there is This is the same reporter that called up a woman at CJR to yell at her when she published a critique of Axios’s vapid stories, asking who she was to criticize him and his company as she made dinner. He’s refused to comment about it since.
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Your Taint posted:This should give Donny plenty of fuel to rant about brown people. “gently caress those terrorists, not for what they’ve done, but the inevitable Donald Response”
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Rauros posted:People can survive years with this disease, so they could sign up on a waiting list for the cure. The government would have a production lab mothballed most of the year and then once enough people were signed up, they could produce a batch. I mean the picture from the article showed an Erlenmeyer flask sitting in a hood showing the small scale of production. It's like craft gene therapy.
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Your Taint posted:This should give Donny plenty of fuel to rant about brown people. he hasn't given a poo poo about bombings in Afghanistan before. Mustached Demon posted:The courage to do what? Be the thumb up Trump's butt? yeah pretty much. if your his lickspittle he thinks your respect and love him and therefor he says positive things about you.
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/ann_arcana/status/1064074140599140352  https://twitter.com/ann_arcana/status/1064538612631568387 
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