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Tibalt posted:You all realize that people with curable diseases aren't receiving treatments that don't cost a million dollars right now, right? The entire reason this poo poo is a million dollars is because the other treatments are close to as expensive. The only reason THOSE treatments are expensive is because of the healthcare industry.
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Tibalt posted:You all realize that people with curable diseases aren't receiving treatments that don't cost a million dollars right now, right? You might not but you should. It would save the State money over long-term health care institutionalization costs. Even at a million dollars every ten years, if you prevent hospitalization or nursing home care at a thousand dollars a day, you're netting out saving a lot of money. That doesn't mean a socialized system would make that call but it does mean it should.
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Shifty Pony posted:I'm a little hesitant to endorse the government directly running the trials because our government has done some really awful poo poo to people of color while conducting "medical research". When stuff like that comes out, I assume that it was common practice in industry that we never hear about because they don't have the transparency requirements that the government does 
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I want a gritty Punisher reboot where instead of low level crooks, he kills pharma execs and CEOs
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Teddybear posted:This is the same reporter that called up a woman at CJR to yell at her when she published a critique of Axios’s vapid stories, asking who she was to criticize him and his company as she made dinner. He’s refused to comment about it since. while it's not excusable even if he's just some reporter, it's even worse because VandeHei is the drat CEO/co-founder of Axios
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Tibalt posted:You all realize that people with curable diseases aren't receiving treatments that don't cost a million dollars right now, right? Hey, wehn I talk about a nationalized medical research program, I'm all for more common poo poo like insulin as well. gently caress it, I'd even have GMO projects to create food crops that are resistant to salt water/drought/etc that haven't come to market for dumb reasons, but that's getting off track the current discussion. The point is, we don't spend nearly enough on scientific research, we should be spending a whole lot more, there are more than enough folks out there at multiple levels that could be hired to do so and it would be a massive boon to our economy, our lives and our nation as a whole.
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Nov 20, 2018 16:13
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I want a gritty Punisher reboot where instead of low level crooks, he kills pharma execs and CEOs Well, they don't kill people, but there's more than a few episodes of Leverage where the crew takes down crooked pharma CEOs.
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Nov 20, 2018 16:14
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I want a gritty Punisher reboot where instead of low level crooks, he kills pharma execs and CEOs he does do that kinda stuff, especially in the ennis comics.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Well, they don't kill people, but there's more than a few episodes of Leverage where the crew takes down crooked pharma CEOs. I like that show, but I crave violence. Solkanar512 posted:Hey, wehn I talk about a nationalized medical research program, I'm all for more common poo poo like insulin as well. It's a constant source of anger for me thinking about how much we spend on the military and what we could better spend that money on. It's one of America's greatest failings imo
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Tibalt posted:You all realize that people with curable diseases aren't receiving treatments that don't cost a million dollars right now, right? Tibalt posted:I don't think you'd have continued production of this drug even in a socialized healthcare system. Why, it's cheaper and less painful than the treatment that already exists now and which gets paid for E: It's depressing how even in a forum like this people react to injustice by rationalizing some Ayn Rand fanfic about how the free market must know best to withhold a lifesaving cure, because we can't imagine there could possibly be a problem with how capitalism allocates resources
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Nov 20, 2018 16:16
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DOW is down 600 points, was down over 400 yesterday, all gains in 2018 are gone
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:DOW is down 600 points, was down over 400 yesterday, all gains in 2018 are gone Trump: That's what you get for electing Democrats!
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I want a gritty Punisher reboot where instead of low level crooks, he kills pharma execs and CEOs  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:DOW is down 600 points, was down over 400 yesterday, all gains in 2018 are gone Trump is not getting blamed yet. He should be, but he is not. His tariff tactics have played a big role, but a substantial minority within the financial sector like what his is trying to achieve there. The Federal Reserve is taking a lot of the heat.
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Koalas Massacre posted:
Where do I send my donations?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:he does do that kinda stuff, especially in the ennis comics. Yep. Punisher Kills The Marvel Universe is explicitly about how no one deserves to weild power over life and death, not superheroes and not the shadowy conspiracy that hired him to take the superheroes down.
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Nov 20, 2018 16:19
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All because the Democrats took the House. Shame.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I like that show, but I crave violence. Go read Akumetsu.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Trump: That's what you get for electing Democrats! Be prepared to hear this a lot too. Which ignores the fact that markets tend to do really well when there's gridlock in DC because very little gets done from a regulatory standpoint and everyone knows where things stand.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:It's a constant source of anger for me thinking about how much we spend on the military and what we could better spend that money on. It's one of America's greatest failings imo Do you realize how many biology major we graduate every year? That there isn't a science/research version of AmeriCorps is is loving travesty. VitalSigns posted:E: It's depressing how even in a forum like this people react to injustice by rationalizing some Ayn Rand fanfic about how the free market must know best to withhold a lifesaving cure, because we can't imagine there could possibly be a problem with how capitalism allocates resources I think it's more that those of us with experience in those or similar industries understand that things are a lot more complicated than most believe. This is a rare exception.
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Tibalt posted:I wonder if that's the current plan, actually. Wait a decade until it's worth it to make a batch, and then hit up everyone. Not like you need to worry about someone setting up a generic even after the patent runs out. the centrist fascination with excusing murder for profit has never quite made sense to me. you do realize that other people view this as a flaw to be corrected, not a selling point for the ideology, yes
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Your Taint posted:This should give Donny plenty of fuel to rant about brown people. Why would Donny care about some Afghani's being killed by the Taliban? His people don't care about this, it won't even register a "you're very stupid, you know that?" response to the reporter that bothers to ask him.
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Chilichimp posted:Why would Donny care about some Afghani's being killed by the Taliban? Yeah I'll be shocked if he even remarks on it, Donald's loathing of having to give a poo poo about Iraq/Afghanistan is pretty well-chronicled at this point.
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Why do I have a real job? Why am I not selling Monopoly money to morons instead?
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friendbot2000 posted:Where do I send my donations? I know you're joking buuuut http://paypal.me/koalasmarch I actually have a saving account style fund there just for film projects. Right now we're working on a b-movie about a Harlequin writer who is a succubus lmao Fritz Coldcockin posted:I think this is almost what John Q was about, wasn't it? Except it was the guy's son instead of his wife. John Q is a hostage movie. Saw 3/4/etc is torture porn. I want a Grindhouse style revenge flick. Movies can have the same plot beats but be completely different guys, c'mon. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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I'm going to die a slow death alternative link for european posters: https://kansascityhappenings.wordpress.com/2018/10/09/im-going-to-die-a-slow-death-insurance-stops-covering-mans-life-saving-medication/ quote:Mark is now 64 and has basically lived normal life thanks to a variety of life-saving medicines. For the past 12 years, he’s been on a medication called Syprine. Tibalt posted:I dunno man, when you've got people calling for the death of pharma executives because a drug is too expensive to keep in production, I suspect that people have a bad read on this simple situation. 
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I think my dad bought $100 worth of these back in the mid-2000s. I bet their value has only gone up, up, up! (Also, this reminds me that I have a 10 billion Zimbabwe dollar note I bought on Ebay for $5 floating around my house somewhere.)
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Solkanar512 posted:I think it's more that those of us with experience in those or similar industries understand that things are a lot more complicated than most believe. This is a rare exception. Economic realities exist outside of capitalism.
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Tibalt posted:I dunno man, when you've got people calling for the death of pharma executives because a drug is too expensive to keep in production, I suspect that people have a bad read on this simple situation. These aren't "economic realities" at all. They're purely artificial market failures, easily and profitably fixed by government action. The orphan drug problem is a known and discussed issue and it's always more profitable over the long term for the government to invest in such drugs because it saves money vs. leaving the diseases untreated and also contributes general research. As above -- even if we accept the "market" price for this drug, which we shouldn't because it is NOT the cost of production but rather a dramatic markup, even at a million dollars for a ten-year dose, if that prevents ten years of institutional care at $365,000 per year, you're net savings is still two million, six hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
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Koalas Massacre posted:I know you're joking buuuut Yeah, that was my thought. John Q was also about a dad just trying to save his son from the greed of a broken system. There were no guillotines involved. Also, can I make a request for my donation KM? I want a guillotine involved if possible <3 Of course, I leave that to your discretion! friendbot2000 fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Nov 20, 2018 |
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Crain posted:That’s just Saw 3. Or maybe 4. I completely lost track of where that series went. Saw 6, actually. It was an oddly effective (totally ham handed, but effective) criticism of insurance companies. It got lost in the torture porn and continuity porn, but at its heart was a low rent satire of the industry. And Jigsaw was an older white male who never saw himself as a serial killer. Because of course.
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:I want a gritty Punisher reboot where instead of low level crooks, he kills pharma execs and CEOs A Gritty Punisher reboot, you say? 
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FuturePastNow posted:A Gritty Punisher reboot, you say?
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Tibalt posted:Economic realities exist outside of capitalism. Yeah, there is 3 pounds of platinum in the serum
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Tibalt posted:I dunno man, when you've got people calling for the death of pharma executives because a drug is too expensive to keep in production, I suspect that people have a bad read on this simple situation. If you don't think pharma execs deserve death you're the one that's out of touch with reality hth
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kidkissinger posted:If you don't think pharma execs deserve death you're the one that's out of touch with reality hth The only meds that work for me cost me 300 bucks a month for 7 months before my deductible kicks in. Eat all the pharma execs.
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friendbot2000 posted:Also, can I make a request for my donation KM? I want a guillotine involved if possible <3 Of course, I leave that to your discretion! Can do! Oooh maybe the movie can be a few intersecting vignettes about people seeking revenge due to the inherent failures of capitalism!!
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Well, they don't kill people, but there's more than a few episodes of Leverage where the crew takes down crooked pharma CEOs. Leverage was low key Actually Pretty Good and had a respectable run.  Tibalt posted:I dunno man, when you've got people calling for the death of pharma executives because a drug is too expensive to keep in production, I suspect that people have a bad read on this simple situation. Or perhaps you've simply internalized the idea that The Status of Quo Capitalism Is and Must Always Be? Like I make my share of guillotine jokes but I actually oppose killing people in general because I oppose the death penalty and would like to see prisons as a concept go away, but absolutely lol if you don't want to take away all of the money from every rich person and seize the means of production in tyool 2018.
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Lightning Knight posted:Leverage was low key Actually Pretty Good and had a respectable run. Despite the ridiculous depictions of hacking, Leverage was awesome and I wish it was still around because it's needed now more than ever 
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