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paradoxGentleman posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/stuartdraws/status/1063235167265935360?s=19 Update: After several days of being shouted at by the worst elements of the OSR Robertson's decided to bin the whole concept. https://twitter.com/stuartdraws/status/1064580029542252544
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quote:I am not an America, but I was more critical of Clinton than Trump in the lead up to the US election. As awful as Trump is I think Clinton could have started a war with Russia, and is connected to a lot of shady business. well edit: quote:CMON stock price continued to fall as the company reported losses of $4.1 million for the 9 month period ending September 2018. The company blamed the losses mainly on decreasing Kickstarter revenue and increased convention expenses.
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potatocubed posted:Update: After several days of being shouted at by the worst elements of the OSR Robertson's decided to bin the whole concept.  This is literally the least shocking development possible given it's the OSR.
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I feel bad for the dude but he is way better off lancing that tumor.
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alg posted:well Why the hell did he feel the need to line itemize his political views?
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Nov 21, 2018 00:19
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It's loving "Prejudice bad" boilerplate, is there something about Canadian hate speech laws that goes overboard that people were reacting to? What specifically did critics feel was going to fall under this umbrella?
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Nov 21, 2018 00:24
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The entire OSR.
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From my exposure to it about 95% or more of the OSR had their political views ossify about the same time their taste in game design did, so that explains a fair amount
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Kurieg posted:Why the hell did he feel the need to line itemize his political views? He has to claim his centre-right cred to fend off all these slanderous accusations that he's some kind of civility-disrespecting progressive.
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Kavak posted:It's loving "Prejudice bad" boilerplate, is there something about Canadian hate speech laws that goes overboard that people were reacting to? What specifically did critics feel was going to fall under this umbrella? Like, specifically he cites that he doesn't want it used on anti-LGBTQ+ stuff. Lamentations of the Flame Princess crops right up, for example there...and there my knowledge of the OSR ends.
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lol Trey Gowdy and Jill Stein Also "I don't pay much attention to US politics, but I somehow have a specific opinion about Harold Watson Gowdy III of SC-4." I feel a lot less sad about what's going on with that guy, now. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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potatocubed posted:Update: After several days of being shouted at by the worst elements of the OSR Robertson's decided to bin the whole concept. Aw. I bet somebody yelled 'swine' until they got hoarse. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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MollyMetroid posted:The entire OSR. Basically this. People were hand-wringing that somehow, he'd crack down on anything OSR-related that used hate speech, instead of the more specific example of anything OSR-related that used his logo that used hate speech. It was the usual group of actors arguing in bad faith to try and get a "gotcha!" out of the guy. And I guess he just didn't want to deal with the whole thing anymore, which I can't really blame him.
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I'm continually disappointed by how many people in the OSR are hateful or hate-agnostic. A shame; I liked a lot of the foundational principles and mechanics, and the DIY atmosphere is pretty neat. Maybe in ten years we can have a second OSR with fewer
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Elephant Parade posted:Maybe in ten years we can have a second OSR with fewer Make this new OSR focus almost exclusively on 4e and I'd be on board in an instant.
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Slimnoid posted:Basically this. People were hand-wringing that somehow, he'd crack down on anything OSR-related that used hate speech, instead of the more specific example of anything OSR-related that used his logo that used hate speech. It's "funny" because his standard of evidence was already "in violation of a defined law" and people still kept being reductionist to the point of claiming that he just didn't like other peoples's politics.
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there are a very few things in the osr that are worth it. kevin crawford's output, beyond the wall, black hack 2e and a few other random books have been quite good imo
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Does Crawford even use the OSR logo or is his stuff just wink nudge compatible?
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Kwyndig posted:Does Crawford even use the OSR logo or is his stuff just wink nudge compatible? no, he doesn't use it afaik. some of his older stuff was designed to be compatible with labyrinth lord, but most of it is broadly just compatible with any osr game, swn revised probably not so much
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That Old Tree posted:lol Trey Gowdy and Jill Stein Which guy?
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LatwPIAT posted:Which guy? The OSR logo guy.
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Slimnoid posted:Make this new OSR focus almost exclusively on 4e and I'd be on board in an instant.
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Have there been any solid 4e clones that use tile based combat? I loved just slapping down dungeon tiles on a table and being able to play. Sadly, they all belonged to my friend and I've moved countries.
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Kavak posted:It's loving "Prejudice bad" boilerplate, is there something about Canadian hate speech laws that goes overboard that people were reacting to? What specifically did critics feel was going to fall under this umbrella? The mere existence of them? To give you an example the right to free speech in Canada is constructed as “if you aren’t racist, sexist, etc Then you get free speech.”
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Serf posted:no, he doesn't use it afaik. some of his older stuff was designed to be compatible with labyrinth lord, but most of it is broadly just compatible with any osr game, swn revised probably not so much I’ve used his poo poo in Pathfinder just fine.
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NutritiousSnack posted:I'm deeply sorry he's being censored, and he is, but ah maybe getting your company in the cross hairs of maniacal dictatorship (which would otherwise just be brave) but somehow in the process making GBS threads on the group they're trying to wipe out means you shouldn't have been in the position in the first place for them to censor you. Maybe, just maybe, the fact you were censored in this instance was your own fault and the result of reasonable people trying to loving extinguished the fire you started. People keep using that term. He's not being 'censored' because no official organization or representative is preventing publication of this work. He's being told by the company he freelanced for that they're not going to use the work due to public backlash.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Have there been any solid 4e clones that use tile based combat? I loved just slapping down dungeon tiles on a table and being able to play. Sadly, they all belonged to my friend and I've moved countries. Not exactly. Unity, Valor and 13th Age use the 4e moves system, but not grid based combat. Fragged Empire/Kingdom uses precise grid based combat, but not unique character moves. Panic At The Dojo uses moves and grid based combat, but for some bizarre reason has no character advancement rules. Strike also uses moves and grid based combat, but has no stats, weapons or armor. Pathfinder 2e Playtest is actually very 4e-like, but is broken in many innovative ways. hyphz fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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Lemon-Lime posted:He has to claim his centre-right cred to fend off all these slanderous accusations that he's some kind of civility-disrespecting progressive.
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That Old Tree posted:Also "I don't pay much attention to US politics, but I somehow have a specific opinion about Harold Watson Gowdy III of SC-4." like the post was rear end, but speaking as a Canadian it's basically impossible to not accumulate these specific opinions about American politics, no matter how little attention you try to pay to it.
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NutritiousSnack posted:Is V5 even on book shelves even? Like did they have get a presence on the retail market, even if it was FLGS? I sold a copy two weeks ago in my shop
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I sold a copy two weeks ago in my shop Is that a lot? Like- I feel like some pretty yikes decisions have kept Vampire relegated to a pretty serious also-ran in a time when RPGs are as popular as they've ever been.
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Kurieg posted:Why the hell did he feel the need to line itemize his political views? It's a continuation of what he was saying for a couple paragraphs before: quote:On Friday I thought "the OSR are almost all good people, if I make this statement they'll agree with me and then the outside world will know we're not a terrible place". Now I've had a weekend of people grinding away and accusing me of whatever they can imagine of the worst far left caricature they can imagine. I know one person in the OSR who operates like that... I didn't realize just how widespread that sort of thing was. Mea culpa. So yeah, he was being accused of being some saboteur plotting to destroy the OSR by asking that hate speech not be printed with his logo on it. A normal and healthy reaction for a community to have. e- It's funny how in both his G+ post and the replies to his tweet, he and other people acknowledge the toxic elements of the OSR and often admit it drove them away from the community, but those toxic elements remain... Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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I'm glad you linked the full context, people in here love to dogpile on something without reading it in full. Given the first knee-jerk reaction to him going "Hey guys, please don't use my creative property on your products if they involve hate speech or openly support it" was to have his twitter DM's slammed with slavering vitriol, the idea of there being much good in that community should probably be put firmly to bed. Anyone got any thoughts on whether the few good elements in there are going to try and cut ties after this?
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I mean, I'm all for scoffing at Jill Stein, but honestly the rest of the post is way more interesting to look at. Besides the cartoon caricature reactions, it looks like the other big responses to his post were "lol now your logo will be memed to oblivion because you cried about it! owned!", which he addresses that he has no issue with since those are protected as parodies, and "Your logo is made up of shapes and lines you have no rights to!", which sounds funny to me and is probably funnier to people who actually understand copyright and trademark law. For further context, he released the OSR logo as a Creative Commons work, but asked that people who publish hate speech not use the logo on published works or their websites, in accordance with Canadian copyright law that protects the moral integrity of the work and its creator.
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Arthil posted:Given the first knee-jerk reaction to him going "Hey guys, please don't use my creative property on your products if they involve hate speech or openly support it" was to have his twitter DM's slammed with slavering vitriol, the idea of there being much good in that community should probably be put firmly to bed. Anyone got any thoughts on whether the few good elements in there are going to try and cut ties after this? There are a bunch of people on his G+ and Twitter talking about creating a new old-school community but without the lovely parts. I have no idea if it'll take, or if they'll just fall back into orbit around the same old bad stars.
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potatocubed posted:There are a bunch of people on his G+ and Twitter talking about creating a new old-school community but without the lovely parts. I have no idea if it'll take, or if they'll just fall back into orbit around the same old bad stars.
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potatocubed posted:There are a bunch of people on his G+ and Twitter talking about creating a new old-school community but without the lovely parts. I have no idea if it'll take, or if they'll just fall back into orbit around the same old bad stars. I feel like the latter is going to happen if only because way too many people outright refuse to acknowledge that there are "bad parts" to the OSR to begin with (and the people who actually are bad deliberately engage in the muddying of these waters)
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potatocubed posted:There are a bunch of people on his G+ and Twitter talking about creating a new old-school community but without the lovely parts. I have no idea if it'll take, or if they'll just fall back into orbit around the same old bad stars. No matter what, there would have to be an active effort to keep bad elements out, because if there was a break-off there's going to be people that follow it because they don't know they're part of the problem or pretend they aren't. Plus the inevitable trolls that will follow and harass anyone that openly splits off. It seems like a lot of conflict that most people have been adverse to up to this point.
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