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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:how old will AOC be in 2024 not old enough
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Lawman 0 posted:The GOP will win because the eco- hell yea no war but trade war
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Nov 21, 2018 16:38
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Samurai Sanders posted:Is there any evidence that voting machines were deliberately made to be unreliable, because they were funded by people who want voting to be unreliable? Because yeah, machines are usually made to be reliable these days. Not really... if you buy from the lowest bidder you'll get stuff that's mostly reliable but probably has stuff that'll break down with sufficient use, or that will have occasional errors that you just don't notice because they don't matter for how you are using the machine. While there's surely a lot of maliciousness going on during elections, when it comes to machines just not working (like the whole humidity thing in Georgia) it is more just incompetence and a lack of requirements for machines to work outside of ideal situations. Voting machines really need to have the same types of requirements of at least top grade ATMs and probably should have their own standards. Thoguh has issued a correction as of 16:51 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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Nov 21, 2018 16:46
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Serf posted:not old enough I heard she'll be 35 by Jan 2025, which is the criterium
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Nov 21, 2018 16:54
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PostNouveau posted:I heard she'll be 35 by Jan 2025, which is the criterium unfortunately 35 is the point when you should lose the franchise, so she will in fact be too old
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Nov 21, 2018 16:55
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Serf posted:unfortunately 35 is the point when you should lose the franchise, so she will in fact be too old gently caress it, let's go full Logan's Run and have everyone go to carousel and "renew" when they hit 30. 
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Nov 21, 2018 17:13
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she's 29 now so will be old enough to primary schumer in 2022
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Nov 21, 2018 17:29
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Shear Modulus posted:she's 29 now so will be old enough to primary schumer in 2022 hail satan
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Nov 21, 2018 17:31
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Powered Descent posted:gently caress it, let's go full Logan's Run and have everyone go to carousel and "renew" when they hit 30. As someone who is over 30, I support this idea.
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Nov 21, 2018 17:35
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Shear Modulus posted:she's 29 now so will be old enough to primary schumer in 2022 This would be an excellent use of her time
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Nov 21, 2018 17:36
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Typo posted:cuz sa political forums are basically about as far left as you can get in us politics and bernie is the closest thing you have to a communist candidate Candidate choice is loving essential, Christ!!!
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Nov 21, 2018 17:54
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I can't believe someone who was theoretically alive from 2008 thru 2018 would stumble to the opinion that candidate choice doesn't matter much. Energizing the base is a huge deal, and weak candidates just cannot do it. We've seen huge contrasts in candidate quality and accompanying results in even the last couple years.
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Nov 21, 2018 17:57
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Vox Nihili posted:I can't believe someone who was theoretically alive from 2008 thru 2018 would stumble to the opinion that candidate choice doesn't matter much. Energizing the base is a huge deal, and weak candidates just cannot do it. We've seen huge contrasts in candidate quality and accompanying results in even the last couple years. liberalism rots your brain
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Nov 21, 2018 17:59
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lol remember john kerry
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Nov 21, 2018 18:01
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Shear Modulus posted:lol remember john kerry PERMISSION TO COME ABOURD
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Nov 21, 2018 18:04
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Typo posted:cuz sa political forums are basically about as far left as you can get in us politics and bernie is the closest thing you have to a communist candidate incredibly stupid
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Nov 21, 2018 18:07
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Typo posted:cuz sa political forums are basically about as far left as you can get in us politics and bernie is the closest thing you have to a communist candidate ~nothing really matters~ ~anyone can see~ ~nothing really matters~ ~aside from college students saying things that upset my republican frieeeeeeeends~
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Nov 21, 2018 18:09
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Vox Nihili posted:I can't believe someone who was theoretically alive from 2008 thru 2018 would stumble to the opinion that candidate choice doesn't matter much. Energizing the base is a huge deal, and weak candidates just cannot do it. We've seen huge contrasts in candidate quality and accompanying results in even the last couple years. a democrat would have won 2008 no matter what, the extent of democratic victory had more to do with iraq war and great recession than obama's personal appeal candidate quality is prob like 1-2 points or something so yeah in a really close election in matters but what amounts to rng generated events you have no influence over as a nom like -does stock mkt crash within 12 month of an election -terrist attack (brown or white attacker?) -cultural war issue X event (KAVANAUGH DRINKS BEER) -does Kim/Xi/whatever foreign leader do something crazy -CARAVAN all probably have similar if not greater effect than who you choose to run, candidate choice is largely illusion of control as far as electoral outcomes in national elections are concerned could a better candidate than hillary won 2016? prob, but it's the difference between a narrow victory and a narrow loss. It's never the situation where X would win by 10 points against [Democrat|Republican incumbent] while Y would have lost it by 10 points quote:theoretically alive from 2008 thru 2018 then they both lost by about the same amount? partisanship uber alles. Typo has issued a correction as of 18:13 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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Nov 21, 2018 18:10
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go back to d&d bitch
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Nov 21, 2018 18:10
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Trump boosting rural turnout and Hillary killing her parties turnout is the only explanation for the blue wall getting crushed. Hell, Trump did better in Minnesota than anyone since Nixon , you can't just hand wave that away
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Nov 21, 2018 18:12
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mastershakeman posted:Trump boosting rural turnout and Hillary killing her parties turnout is the only explanation for the blue wall getting crushed. Hell, Trump did better in Minnesota than anyone since Nixon , you can't just hand wave that away white working class voters have being trending republican for decades, even Romney boosted gop margins among wwc over McCain E: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Minnesota,_2000 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Minnesota,_2016 TRUMP actually didn't do all that better in mn than bush did in 2000 Typo has issued a correction as of 18:20 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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Nov 21, 2018 18:15
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Typo posted:white working class voters have being trending republican for decades, even Romney boosted gop margins among wwc over McCain And yet in MN this cycle, the shitstain GOP governor candidate who everyone hates lost bigly to the best retail politician in the state. Candidate quality is absolutely critical.
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Nov 21, 2018 18:29
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:And yet in MN this cycle, the shitstain GOP governor candidate who everyone hates lost bigly to the best retail politician in the state. at the state level I would agree more with you because partisanship still matters less at the state level than national election, see ma voting for charlie baker/warren at the same time
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Nov 21, 2018 18:32
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Typo posted:could a better candidate than hillary won 2016? prob, but it's the difference between a narrow victory and a narrow loss. So it's the difference between winning the Presidency and not winning the Presidency? Gee, why would that matter?
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Nov 21, 2018 18:42
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imagine getting owned for 2 years straight and then teleporting back in like you're king poo poo of turd mountain lmaoooo
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Nov 21, 2018 18:46
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Typo posted:a democrat would have won 2008 no matter what, the extent of democratic victory had more to do with iraq war and great recession than obama's personal appeal 2016 was much more of a gimme election than 2020 will be. donald trump was the most unpopular presidential nominee in history. and hillary still lost
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Nov 21, 2018 18:48
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a tape came out a month before the election where one of the two major party candidates admitted he loved groping and raping women. he won your liberalism can't explain that
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Nov 21, 2018 18:52
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Hillary was the absolute worst presidential candidate in modern history. She would have lost to Barry Goldwater, Hoover's reelection campaign, and Ross Perot straight up. She would have lost that election to literally anyone, including Jeb! and Ron Paul.
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Nov 21, 2018 18:58
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Hillary was the absolute worst presidential candidate in modern history. She would have lost to Barry Goldwater, Hoover's reelection campaign, and Ross Perot straight up. She would have lost that election to literally anyone, including Jeb! and Ron Paul. Yet she still won the popular vote. Over half the country voted for her, and she still lost. Democracy is a joke.
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Nov 21, 2018 19:01
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Shear Modulus posted:the clintons spent the years between 2008 and 2016 making sure nobody would get in the way of hillary running in 2016 i wonder where robby mook is
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Nov 21, 2018 19:05
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Screaming Idiot posted:Yet she still won the popular vote. Over half the country voted for her, and she still lost. the electoral college and the senate should be abolished. hell, same for the presidency really. just congress, 1000 people = 1 rep
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Nov 21, 2018 19:07
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Serf posted:the electoral college and the senate should be abolished. hell, same for the presidency really. just congress, 1000 people = 1 rep 
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Nov 21, 2018 19:08
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Screaming Idiot posted:Yet she still won the popular vote. Over half the country voted for her, and she still lost. Ah, yes, the popular vote, a thing that matters and that we should care about.
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Nov 21, 2018 19:09
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Ah, yes, the popular vote, a thing that matters and that we should care about. Well, yes, it is. Why shouldn't we?
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Nov 21, 2018 19:11
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Ocean Book posted:the tales of how inconsistently the digital voting machines work would be funny if they weren't sad. I think the general public has a perception that machine = reliable, I know I used to. Actually working with machines in manufacturing has shown me that in general machines are frustrating and unreliable piles of garbage. 
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Nov 21, 2018 19:11
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Shageletic posted:i wonder where robby mook is Hopefully done with politics and working in a Starbucks or something.
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Nov 21, 2018 19:12
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:Hillary was the absolute worst presidential candidate in modern history. She would have lost to Barry Goldwater, Hoover's reelection campaign, and Ross Perot straight up. She would have lost that election to literally anyone, including Jeb! and Ron Paul. and one of the interpretations of that is it doesn't really matter how lovely your candidate is, Trump absolutely would have being disqualified a few decades ago, but today both parties believe their worst guy is better than the best guy on the other side. So anybody making it out of the primaries has 90%+ of the votes he/she needs to win the presidency locked down just by having the R/D next to their name because of partisanship.
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Nov 21, 2018 19:12
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Screaming Idiot posted:Yet she still won the popular vote. Over half the country voted for her, and she still lost. this is objectively wrong though, she got 48% or so of the votes if she had 50% + 1 vote she would have won
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Nov 21, 2018 19:13
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Screaming Idiot posted:Well, yes, it is. Why shouldn't we? Hillary won the mock election at the elementary school my wife teaches at. That mock election's results are exactly as important to the presidential election as the popular vote.
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Nov 21, 2018 19:14
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Typo posted:and one of the interpretations of that is it doesn't really matter how lovely your candidate is, Trump absolutely would have being disqualified a few decades ago, but today both parties believe their worst guy is better than the best guy on the other side. So anybody making it out of the primaries has 90%+ of the votes he/she needs to win the presidency locked down just by having the R/D next to their name because of partisanship. No, the interpretation here is that Chaffee Would Have Won.
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