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Dapper_Swindler posted:the base are mostly olds and most of the young chuds are either shithead ever online parahs or dumb kids going through a extremely lovely "gently caress you dad/mom" phase. they will exist in the future, but they are a minority. that's one of the developments that concerns me. the voter base of the Republican party is and will remain the disaffected suburban guy really worried about his taxes and the goddamn illegals. that guy will be consistently produced by his material conditions until the heat death of the universe, and there is never a time he won't vote for whatever appeals most directly to his sense of lost machismo. but the ideological core- the people who are running for office, volunteering for campaigns, and getting judicial seats? oh yeah, they're a minority. and they're getting steadily more psychopathic by the day. the future has more Steve Kings, not fewer, as the Nazis being the bad guys starts to drift beyond range of living memory.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:that's one of the developments that concerns me. the voter base of the Republican party is and will remain the disaffected suburban guy really worried about his taxes and the goddamn illegals. that guy will be consistently produced by his material conditions until the heat death of the universe, and there is never a time he won't vote for whatever appeals most directly to his sense of lost machismo. sure but that poo poo isn't popular with the majority of people. the base can hold certain deep red areas but on a national level. no one wants that poo poo, especially after trump. most of the GOP types i know, want people like flake and such. stupid psudo moderate types.
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Lightning Knight posted:Well he also has enjoyed a huge rise in popularity among Democrats, and is now above 50%, which I think is because he's been accepted by elites. I mean, I think its probably any amount of "time makes people forget", "Dear God I never thought it could get this bad", "maybe some people who were Republicans 10 years ago are Democrats today?", and probably a touch of "one poll at one time" that might factor in as much as Michelle Obama hugging him (which again, I do not like or defend, to be clear). But it is very unknowable at this time.
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Public perception is largely dictated by surface likability, not policy substance. This is where people are getting things twisted thinking Trump will end up being seen as another Reagan or whatever. Reagan was godawful on substance... but he also had an expertly crafted public image as everyone's lovable grampa that cut across party lines, and that image led to landslide victories. It by and large stuck through various scandals. He was so popular his VP was basically able to coast to a landslide victory himself, in spite of him having the charisma of an oblong gourd. Then Reagan got public sympathy from dying from Alzheimer's. NONE OF THAT applies to Trump, other than that his brain might be literally rotting as I type this. A majority of the public has disapproved of him for his entire term to date, and that shows 0 signs of ever changing.
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Motto posted:My expectation is more Trump leaving office and immediately being cast as a weird freak accident as mcconnel and co. are given passes for paving the way for and supporting him. Yeah, McConnell is one of the most effective political villains and he's going to be around until he decides to retire, and I think the GOP will probably hold onto the Senate in 2020. He's way more effective than Trump, and if he'd had his way, the entire Kavanaugh circus would have been avoided and they would have crammed someone just as bad but better vetted onto the bench. He's worse than Trump and we need to keep remembering that.
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Nov 21, 2018 21:22
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Tibalt posted:We forgave Germany for Hitler, you don't think we'll forgive ourselves for Trump? Germany earned that forgiveness by acknowledging Hitler was a mistake and making being a Nazi a crime. Even after the 100 years of liberal darkness falls, there will be about a quarter of voters wistfully nostalgic for the reign of the racist orange pissbaby.
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Nov 21, 2018 21:22
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Nov 21, 2018 21:25
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Crow Jane posted:Do you think there will ever be schools or other public buildings named after Trump? Do fraudulent for-profit fraud colleges count? Maybe in some deep red white trash hellscape.
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Crow Jane posted:Do you think there will ever be schools or other public buildings named after Trump? Yes. But they will charge to enter.
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Nov 21, 2018 21:26
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Crow Jane posted:Do you think there will ever be schools or other public buildings named after Trump? Mental hospitals? Or business schools, but I repeat myself.
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STAC Goat posted:I mean, I think its probably any amount of "time makes people forget", "Dear God I never thought it could get this bad", "maybe some people who were Republicans 10 years ago are Democrats today?", and probably a touch of "one poll at one time" that might factor in as much as Michelle Obama hugging him (which again, I do not like or defend, to be clear). But it is very unknowable at this time. For me, a proliferation of memes like  also seems like a symptom
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Crow Jane posted:Do you think there will ever be schools or other public buildings named after Trump? Only ones that serve the best taco bowls in the country.
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Remember back in 2000 when "I'd like to have a beer with him" was a like, actual thing people said as if that made Bush more qualified to be president? It's still true, he seems like he'd be fun to hang around if you didn't discuss politics. His folksy friendliness is the only thing that's still making the news because it's not like he's committing any fresh war crimes to make headlines.
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Nov 21, 2018 21:28
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Crow Jane posted:Do you think there will ever be schools or other public buildings named after Trump? I mean, there's stuff named for Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee so Trump's definitely gonna get stuff.
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STAC Goat posted:I mean, there's stuff named for Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee so Trump's definitely gonna get stuff. Nixon still has 2 elementary schools named after him. Trump is probably going to be similar. Like the Texas 13th congressional district (R+33) might do it. Comedy option of deep blue states naming things like sewage treatment plants and municipal dumps after him.
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Florida will be renamed The Donald J. Trump Memorial Undersea Peninsula.
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lifetime supply of Pocky posted:My favorite sub-genre of Dems Bad posting is the kind that predicts a far-future Dems Bad moment and uses that unfalsifiable clairvoyance as bait in order to pull out the same re-runs over and over and over and over and over and over i for one am horrified that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez got corrupted by the Bad Dems and endorsed Ivanka Trump in 2036
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STAC Goat posted:"maybe some people who were Republicans 10 years ago are Democrats today?" This should scare the piss out of us because lovely "moderate Republicans" becoming Democrats may be good in the short term, insofar as we might get more people elected who have Ds next to their name, but it's bad for our long-term political prospects on the left. ^ actually lol.
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Burning_Monk posted:What kind of naval ship is Trump going to get named after him? I wanna say tugboat due to the fatness and loudness, but that would imply he's helpful. Sewage barge? Will there be a Trump presidential library, do we think?
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galenanorth posted:For me, a proliferation of memes like Sure, but again, that's something distinctly not in Trump's repertoire. The idea that Trump is just going to be rehabbed basically rests on the idea that Bush and Nixon were passive participants in whatever whitewashing or rehab they have or will experience. But as has been said Nixon worked hard to try and rewrite his history and Bush's greatest assets have always been his folksy charm and deep connections within the machine. People will try to clean up Trump sooner or later. I mean, they'd trying now. But Trump actively works against it.
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Nov 21, 2018 21:38
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Burning_Monk posted:What kind of naval ship is Trump going to get named after him? Every ship, as the last ceremonial act before scrapping/scuttling.
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Crow Jane posted:Will there be a Trump presidential library, do we think? yes but the only book in it will be the art of the deal
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cheetah7071 posted:yes but the only book in it will be the art of the deal And obviously fake magazine covers. Also the entire thing would be a gift shop.
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cheetah7071 posted:yes but the only book in it will be the art of the deal i'm actually deeply curious whether the Trump Administration is correctly preserving their documentation as they are legally required to do (lol no, I seem to recall the Archives people assigned to it being very sad and angry about everything all the time), and what sort of crazy poo poo will be in them
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The library will be fine, there are plenty of books by sycophants in the administration and FOX news employees - but I repeat myself. "poo poo, they're on to us."
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Burning_Monk posted:What kind of naval ship is Trump going to get named after him? The unfinished hull of the last aircraft carrier ever ordered will have his name slapped on it by dockworkers before the last few abandon the project after the sixth pay period their checks don't arrive.
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Crow Jane posted:Do you think there will ever be schools or other public buildings named after Trump? Do public urinals count?
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Lightning Knight posted:This should scare the piss out of us because lovely "moderate Republicans" becoming Democrats may be good in the short term, insofar as we might get more people elected who have Ds next to their name, but it's bad for our long-term political prospects on the left. I mean, its not something I'm banking long term electoral futures on but it doesn't seem like an actual problem. Its not as if I'm making that "we need to abandon social issues to appeal to racist white Republicans" argument. I'm just saying I know a fair number of people who actually, genuinely are Democrats who hate Trump in 2018 but were Republicans who voted Bush in lovely allies today are fine as long as we're not changing poo poo to appeal to them and abandon our base (or you know, our values). Which of course, there will be instances where the Democrats DO do that because politics but like it doesn't strike me as some kind of scary sword ready to fall. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Nov 21, 2018 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i'm actually deeply curious whether the Trump Administration is correctly preserving their documentation as they are legally required to do (lol no, I seem to recall the Archives people assigned to it being very sad and angry about everything all the time), and what sort of crazy poo poo will be in them I'm torn on whether to respond "of course not, they're probably shredding as many documents as they can find" and "maybe Trump is dumb enough to record himself all the time like Nixon did..." ^ See I disagree because I see the surge of suburban support for Dems as a harbinger of bad things in our electoral future, not good. Suburbanites are terrible. I grew up in the suburbs too man, it's bad.
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I'm genuinely curious if Trump/Pence will try to make a thing out of this https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/21/asia/andaman-nicobar-us-missionary-killed-intl/index.html Basically a missionary broke tons of local laws to visit some extremely isolated 17 person tribe off India's coasts to ~preach~ to them and got owned with a bow and arrow. It's the most western story we've had in years and I've already seen some people trying to spin this as 'SAVAGE TRIBE MURDERS INNOCENT MISSIONARY'
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STAC Goat posted:voted Bush in 2008. 
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Burning_Monk posted:What kind of naval ship is Trump going to get named after him? They'll just call whatever it is the USS Infrastructure. Lightning Knight posted:This should scare the piss out of us because lovely "moderate Republicans" becoming Democrats may be good in the short term, insofar as we might get more people elected who have Ds next to their name, but it's bad for our long-term political prospects on the left. Well, it depends. We don't want it happening in places like New York where we can get candidates like AOC to win, but in places like Kentucky where the best we can hope for is a succDem, it's better to have a leftist coalition trying to force change against radical centrists than it is against the Republican party.
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Bicyclops posted:Well, it depends. We don't want it happening in places like New York where we can get candidates like AOC to win, but in places like Kentucky where the best we can hope for is a succDem, it's better to have a leftist coalition trying to force change against radical centrists than it is against the Republican party. What concerns me is that we're currently seeing challenges to Nancy Pelosi from the right. It failed because Blue Dogs are a joke, but if there were more of them it might actually be a serious problem. And imo, more suburbanite support for Democrats means more Blue Dogs. I'm not saying I don't want their votes (I guess, I mean I would rather they didn't vote R at least), I'm just saying it's probably a double-edged sword.
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Probably gonna christen the shitter he tweets from every morning The Trump Bathroom. That’s how you troll. Pray our next president has the will and the imagination to do us right.
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sexpig by night posted:I'm genuinely curious if Trump/Pence will try to make a thing out of this I don't know if they'll make a thing of it (as you said, the guy broke a TON of laws to get there), but the Sentinelese are fascinating as hell, from what little is known about them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese
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Lightning Knight posted:
Sure, but those suburbs are going to have reps, one way or another. It doesn't erase the better Dems from better districts, and their Bad Dem is still going to be better than their milquetoast Republican. It sucks for Presidential candidate prospects for Dems a bit, but getting the openly socialist wing of the Party on the Presidential ticket was always going to be an uphill battle.
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