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friendbot2000 posted:My family is watching Best in Show and is there really anything more "Eat The Rich" rage inducing than a family that owns a dog but it just lives with a paid handler and travels to compete in these stupid rich peoples games while a prentious announcer cooes into a microphone about breeding and pedigree? You should relax and enjoy, that is a really funny movie. Just watch the news if you’re wanting to fuel your ‘Eat the Rich’ outrage. It’s what I do.
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friendbot2000 posted:My family is watching Best in Show and is there really anything more "Eat The Rich" rage inducing than a family that owns a dog but it just lives with a paid handler and travels to compete in these stupid rich peoples games while a prentious announcer cooes into a microphone about breeding and pedigree? That's one of my favorite movies. You realize they're making fun of the stereotypes in that movie right? It's a mockumentary.
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RandomBlue posted:That's one of my favorite movies. You realize they're making fun of the stereotypes in that movie right? It's a mockumentary. Nononono not the movie. It is the National Dog Show that the movie is set in. Its an actual event that takes place every year.
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RandomBlue posted:That's one of my favorite movies. You realize they're making fun of the stereotypes in that movie right? It's a mockumentary. I'm not sure if friendbot is actually talking about the movie or the Westminster Dog Show that happened today.
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Young Freud posted:I'm not sure if friendbot is actually talking about the movie or the Westminster Dog Show that happened today. Yup. My bad. My family has always called it Best in Show and thats the name I mentally file it under. Its the Westminster Dog Show.
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friendbot2000 posted:Yup. My bad. My family has always called it Best in Show and thats the name I mentally file it under. Its the Westminster Dog Show. Ok, was wondering how you could be getting angry at Best in Show, especially the announcers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GaJPgI3jh4
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RandomBlue posted:Ok, was wondering how you could be getting angry at Best in Show, especially the announcers. I’m glad we are all united in Pro-Best In Showism
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friendbot2000 posted:Yup. My bad. My family has always called it Best in Show and thats the name I mentally file it under. Its the Westminster Dog Show. I didn't even realize anyone used star filters anymore. It's like watching the 70s in high definition.
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friendbot2000 posted:My family is watching Best in Show and is there really anything more "Eat The Rich" rage inducing than a family that owns a dog but it just lives with a paid handler and travels to compete in these stupid rich peoples games while a prentious announcer cooes into a microphone about breeding and pedigree? I've got one. Rich people who do all those exact same things, except instead of with a dog its with a racing yacht. Like there are entire fleets of yachts that are keep seaworthy and staffed just so their mega-rich owners can occasionally ride on them while the crew participates in a race.
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Best in show is one of the funniest movies ever and anyone who does not like it is broken
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Prester Jane posted:My counter-argument is that the reason rural America's outsized influence was baked into the structure of our government was specifically as a compromise with racists; which the racists agreed to because they knew that these areas would be easy for them to psychologically and economically exploit*. I would further argue that the brief. Where in Rural America was electing socialist was as a direct response to the brutal psychological and economic exploitation they were experiencing as a result of things like the Dust Bowl and Great Depression. Continuing on with this line of thought centrists in the Democratic party fully cooperated with the multi decade-long effort to dismantle and defang the rural socialist movement- resulting in widespread disillusionment that increase the vulnerability of the rural population to propaganda. In order to assist the psychological exploitation of Rural America and convert that into political power the literal largest and most sophisticated propaganda machine in the history of mankind was created and targeted at them. I'm guessing that you don't realize that it was actually the slave states that had the bigger populations when the Constitution was written? and thus the Senate/ electoral compromise actually worked to lesson their power and influence rather than intensify it? Cite So no a pro rural bias was not baked intentionally into the system it was an unforeseen negative consequence that it's given us that result.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:I didn't even realize anyone used star filters anymore. It's like watching the 70s in high definition. Yeah, these rich assholes arent actually there. They hire a professional dog handler to show the dog and train it to compete. For the record: The movie Best In Show is amazing and I love it. The competitions it is based on are abominations that need to be cleansed with guillotines.
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I know the answer is "because racism," but I just can't comprehend the MUH CULTURE bullshit people run around spouting to gin up fear of immigrants. What does other people's culture have to do with your culture? What does a kebab shop on main street replacing burger shop have to do with your own beliefs and family history? What does the public space acknowledging the existence of an Islamic holiday take away from your celebration of a Christian holiday? How can people really believe that including others is directly correlated with yourself being replaced? It's such a broken way of thinking. Immigration is literally the only reason that the US doesn't have an aging population, which almost all of Europe as well as Japan and I believe Korea is suffering from. "The Western World," is literally going extinct without letting other people come sit at the table. It's mind-boggling that people see brown people as a bigger threat than that.
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Lol that's an incredible article, how incredibly tone deaf. Wicked Them Beats posted:Third World Quarterly  the original usage of the term "third world" is to describe countries that aren't involved with either Comecon or NATO, hence the journals name and focus.
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Good grief, when I was catching up on the thread this morning I was not expecting a rapid-fire succession of posts from one person utterly determined to prove how horrible they are.Squalid posted:Politics is all about trade offs. If an insurgent democrat primaries Manchin and then loses that seat in an election Manchin would have won, is that a loss or a victory? it depends on your goals. If you think a purified Democract party will be better positioned to win in the future, that's a win, even if the loss of the Senate hurts today. It's extremely difficult to predict what will actually lead to a better outcome -- I personally prefer to take any win today, however small, over the potential for greater gains tomorrow. One bird in the hand better than two in the bush and all that. This is abhorrent. People were talking about how red state Dems are throwing minorities under the bus and advancing causes that hurt them, among other things, and you responded with talking about how there are trade-offs in politics, implying that you think those are acceptable ones. loving hell. Squalid posted:See, this is one trade I couldn't make. You probably wouldn't appreciate what I'm willing to do to save your life, but this is one mortal existence on which I'm not willing to compromise. No, just other people's existences. The marginalized people who need to accept trade-offs regarding their rights, safety, and lives, those are the ones that can be compromised on. Squalid posted:In the long run we're all dead eventually anyway. "As long as the worst comes after I'm gone, I don't care." loving repulsive. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 22, 2018 |
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Skex posted:I'm guessing that you don't realize that it was actually the slave states that had the bigger populations when the Constitution was written? 
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Skex posted:I'm guessing that you don't realize that it was actually the slave states that had the bigger populations when the Constitution was written? and thus the Senate/ electoral compromise actually worked to lesson their power and influence rather than intensify it? I never specified only the Constitution though? I specified that compromises with racists that intentionally bias power toward rural areas are baked into the structure of our government. How many states were created specifically to keep a balance between pro-slavery and anti-slavery votes in the Senate?
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The united states was explicitly, from the mouth of the founders, founded upon the principle of a government run by the rich. The Senate, electoral college, all these things are designed to give aristocrats disproportionate power
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Grapplejack posted:Lol that's an incredible article, how incredibly tone deaf. Yes I know the origin, I have a BA in Political Science I paid too much money for, thank you very much.  Many of the so-called third world nations preferred terms like Non-Aligned (India led this movement IIRC). And beyond that "third world" has become a more-or-less derogatory term in modern parlance. They should probably update the name to something slightly less Cold War era. Especially if they're going to be running articles about how these dumb poor countries should just invite rich white bankers back in to run things. It's a bad look all around.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Yes I know the origin, I have a BA in Political Science I paid too much money for, thank you very much. It's like an abusive ex phoning you up and going "Well hows your life been without me, HUH".
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 Not terribly creative, but it'll be delicious when we're done. Also we're sharing it with Chip Delany, so nyah.
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Josef bugman posted:It's like an abusive ex phoning you up and going "Well hows your life been without me, HUH". God the journal is even published out of Britain. Also it's called a quarterly but it's published monthly. Everything about their name is bad!
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bort posted:She'll put together a committee which will tell her it's a bad idea, and that'll be that. Any committee she puts together will have a vested financial interest in telling her it's a great idea. And from her, and their perspective, it is a good idea. The goal isn't specific policy or a philosophy, it's becoming president. You can see her brain doing the triangulation calculations in real time. "gently caress immigrants" worked last time, so she'll embrace that next time.
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"How is this reality?" I ask myself for the 10,000,000th time since the 2016 election. This is an accurate transcript of the conversation, not a joke. https://twitter.com/mickbk/status/1065624061055721473
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RandomBlue posted:"How is this reality?" I ask myself for the 10,000,000th time since the 2016 election. This is an accurate transcript of the conversation, not a joke. I should know better, but he always finds some fascinating new nadir to surprise me. I feel like Bart Simpson with that loving cupcake.
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Ague Proof posted:https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1065667029057757187 Jesus Christ, his brain is loving melting hard today. They could probably get some lovely hell law past and up to the Supreme Court if they didn’t go full loving fundamentalists every time.
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I was surprised the Navy guy answered that way. That seems like a good way to kill your career, especially with this rear end in a top hat running the show. Then again, I don't know who he was talking to so maybe that guy was already where he wanted to be or on the way out anyway.
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Prester Jane posted:I never specified only the Constitution though? I specified that compromises with racists that intentionally bias power toward rural areas are baked into the structure of our government. How many states were created specifically to keep a balance between pro-slavery and anti-slavery votes in the Senate? And I'm not arguing that compromises weren't made with racists, I mean hell drat near everyone was racist at the time even the ones who wanted to end slavery, my point is that the constitution wasn't written specifically to bias power towards rural areas. There really wasn't the kind of rural urban divide then that there is today. It was just an unforeseen consequence of decisions that were made in order to maintain the autonomy of the original colonies as the Constitution was written more in a EU version 1.0. If you think about the United States more as a collective of individual nation states rather than a single political entity you'll have a better understanding of the thinking that went into the framing of the Constitution. I also think that it's worth noting that when the constitution was signed the structure of the Senate actually favored the non-slave states rather than the slave states in that it gave their populations disproportionate representation in the Senate. No one at the time even imagined that we'd have cities with populations that dwarfed that of the entire nation and they had no way to predict which states would get the most population. I mean for the most part the further west you go the more sparse the population with the notable exceptions of Texas and California. I think that it's also worth noting that these compromises maintained an effective stalemate between the anti and pro slavery factions rather than strictly favoring slave states and that ultimately if belatedly the non-slave states made the hard but right choice forced the issue and fought a Civil war to settle it. My point is that actions regularly have unforeseen consequences and that just because someone's choice results in a bad outcome doesn't necessarily mean that it started with bad intent.
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RandomBlue posted:"How is this reality?" I ask myself for the 10,000,000th time since the 2016 election. This is an accurate transcript of the conversation, not a joke. I feel like he was trying to shill for coal and poo poo on Green Energy here, but on the other hand he might have had a stroke.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1065581119242940416 None of this guys opinions have any meaning to the world at large since everything in his world view is dictated by how it effects him personally and absolutely nothing beyond that could ever possibly matter to him. If it boosts his fortunes it/they are the greatest thing to ever happen, if not it's a "total disaster grumblegrumblerantwhine". There's no analysis to be had from any of it, nothing to take and digest, no inherent wisdom of any sort, it's just a guy on twitter bitching about his personal setbacks.
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Skex posted:And I'm not arguing that compromises weren't made with racists, I mean hell drat near everyone was racist at the time even the ones who wanted to end slavery, my point is that the constitution wasn't written specifically to bias power towards rural areas. There really wasn't the kind of rural urban divide then that there is today. It was just an unforeseen consequence of decisions that were made in order to maintain the autonomy of the original colonies as the Constitution was written more in a EU version 1.0. If you think about the United States more as a collective of individual nation states rather than a single political entity you'll have a better understanding of the thinking that went into the framing of the Constitution. You are fixating on a single point in history, and I am not. I am looking at the overall evolution of the structure of our government, and that the overall evolution involves a whole heck of a lot of compromises with racists that intentionally increased the representational power of very rural areas of the country. EG, the reason we have a North and a South Dakota was as a compromise with racists to keep the Senate evenly balanced between pro-slavery and anti-slavery votes.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Jesus Christ, his brain is loving melting hard today. From now on, every murderers defense in court should include "he hates this murder more than we do."
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Party Plane Jones posted:happy thanksgiving folks 
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Fulchrum posted:The greater evil option is plenty loving "legitimized" when it has the power to do whatever it wants. And a choice to not participate is a choice to allow the worst. Nah. Trump won by more than 1 vote. I didn't "allow" poo poo. quote:Again, this is an excercise in trying to salvage your own ego to pretend this has nothing to do with the things that are a clear consequence of your inaction. Its not more moral, you just feel better about it. The fact you think those are the same thing speaks volumes. I voted for Clinton. I regret doing it because it was an endorsement of lesser evil and it didn't accomplish anything anyhow. It was a moral failing on my part.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Best in show is one of the funniest movies ever and anyone who does not like it is broken I grew up going to dog shows because my sister showed chihuahuas, and let me tell you, that movie doesn't even come loving close to how scummy and petty those people can be. We had a chihuahua who had been abused by his previous owner, and we knew because he kept shying away from random everyday objects because he had probably been beaten with them in the past, but he also was a champion with a pedigree to match. Had a much better life when he came to live with us, but when she took him to shows people would clap super loudly when he went around the ring to try and spook him because they knew he had been abused and wanted their dogs to win. Once he was "finished" (I'm still fuzzy on the details on what exactly finished means, but it's something along the lines of being retired, where you have won all the shows you think the dog is capable of winning) the breeders tried to take him back but my parents dropped enough money to buy him and he got to spend the rest of his life hangin out just being a dog with us  Also a married couple that embezzled money from a kennel club, but that poo poo was just lol as gently caress and not depressing. The movie is amazing, though. It's accurate as far as it goes, it just doesn't go far enough. LITERALLY MY FETISH fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Nov 22, 2018 |
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Sanguinia posted:I feel like he was trying to shill for coal and poo poo on Green Energy here, but on the other hand he might have had a stroke. He's on record as not liking the electromagnetic launch systems because they used scary computers and as such it takes Einstein to understand it because he's too dumb to understand computers so everyone else must be as well.
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