nine-gear crow posted:

Residual Toast posted:

minor ending spoiler/question/theory

So is Chara-Kris the one drinking the milk in the alley after eating pies at night?

notoriousman posted:

The milk was drank by someone who doesn't think three glasses of milk for a meal is strange.

21 Muns posted:

Oh, gently caress, this just hit me:

Frisk, Chara, and Kris can all be safely assumed to be nonbinary, right? But it's been pointed out, and I think correctly, that Kris's sprite reads as older and much less androgynous than Frisk or Chara's sprites. Indeed, Kris's name even tends to get people thinking "masculine" (although it is not a strictly male name in real life).

Now... doesn't that just fit perfectly into Kris's entire existence? In contrast to the lighter, more fantasy-focused Undertale story, Kris's life is full of very real and very awful psychological issues. Gender dysphoria caused by puberty would fit right in with their other problems.

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Yeah honestly assuming Frisk or Chara are explicitly nonbinary is actively missing the point of what Toby was going for

They can be NB, but they can also be male, or they can also be female, it's all 150% up to the player's brain

Kris is a little more up in the air simply because we don't have all of Deltarune available yet

Dr. Fetus posted:

That's not true, because the point of them is that they aren't you. They're their own characters. The games make a pretty big deal of that, so they pretty much are NB.

Dr. Fetus posted:

That's not true, because the point of them is that they aren't you. They're their own characters. The games make a pretty big deal of that, so they pretty much are NB.

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

Might be a bit silly but in the back of my mind I wonder how the net would react if Deltarune was played straight in its plot

Undertale was the story of a young lad or lass trying to get home without hurting anyone, and helping their new buddies along the way.
Deltarune is about saving the planet from ripping itself to shreds and stopping BIG HEAVEN FALL KILL or whatever it's called. What if he wanted to tell a more classic video game story and it's not some abstract metaphor, story about self harm, or whatever the fandom thinks currently.

I don't doubt the characters will have some growth or whatever but taking Ralsei's story at face value I feel that whole "world exploding" part gets overlooked in all the relationship and shipping talk

Oxxidation posted:

even by the end of the demo it's shown that Ralsei doesn't know nearly as much as he thinks he does (albeit in a pretty benign way, the little squirt's just too nice for his own good) so it throws his prophecy into serious question

my guess is there is some actual Bad Stuff brewing even in the "real world" between Ralsei's prophecy and Jevil's ominous proclamation that "hell's roar bubbles from the depths" but it's tied somehow into the growing tensions within Hometown and in Kris' life especially

so, basically Persona

McFrugal posted:

Undertale But Actually Persona would be a pretty cool game imo

nine-gear crow posted:

Noelle and Berdly were definitely given enough passing focus in Chapter 1 to seemingly qualify as future party members in subsequent chapters. I can easily see the beginnings of a Persona 4 style Scoobie Gang in Kris’s immediate circle of friends people they know. Noelle’s Dark World arc is already clearly laid out in coming to grips with her father dying and confessing her feelings for Susie, and I’m practically salivating at the possibility of seeing Berdly get knocked down a few billion pegs and coming out the other side a better person for it like Susie did.

Now to wait 7 years and see if my creative outpaces Toby’s...

Nyaa posted:

So i am thinking about the balance of light and dark (fountain). What quantify the light side? Probably Angel’s Heaven (fountain) in the prophecy that we suppose to take down.

Another serious dilemma from the balance: If there can only be one of each fountain, that means we have to choose between the Lonely Kingdom of Raisel or Card Kingdom of Lancer. A choice we might have to make in the end. Lancer’s dad said they will be banish back into the shadow realm.

It’s likely we can’t have multiple fountain because Angel’s Heaven itself will wipe the land into desert or something catastrophic according to the prophecy.

ijyt posted:

The battle music also has an extremely Persona sound to it so I can totally believe it.

21 Muns posted:

Oh, gently caress, this just hit me:

Frisk, Chara, and Kris can all be safely assumed to be nonbinary, right? But it's been pointed out, and I think correctly, that Kris's sprite reads as older and much less androgynous than Frisk or Chara's sprites. Indeed, Kris's name even tends to get people thinking "masculine" (although it is not a strictly male name in real life).

Now... doesn't that just fit perfectly into Kris's entire existence? In contrast to the lighter, more fantasy-focused Undertale story, Kris's life is full of very real and very awful psychological issues. Gender dysphoria caused by puberty would fit right in with their other problems.

Samovar posted:

Originally I had considered Kris to be male, because of the theory that Ralsei is their idealised self, and Ralsei is a Prince. But on reflection, that was a total assumption on my part. Their idealised self could be of a different gender/sex then they are.

Haifisch posted:

I'm going to laugh if the full version comes out and Chara doesn't come into play at all. Not even once. It just so happens that Kris likes acting really creepy and spooky without any sort of extradimensional evil making them do it.

Haifisch posted:

I'm going to laugh if the full version comes out and Chara doesn't come into play at all. Not even once. It just so happens that Kris likes acting really creepy and spooky without any sort of extradimensional evil making them do it.

Nyaa posted:

Noelle offered to go with Suzie to get the chulk, and would had become a party character. I am betting plot twist with her representating angel light side.

Haifisch posted:

I'm going to laugh if the full version comes out and Chara doesn't come into play at all. Not even once. It just so happens that Kris likes acting really creepy and spooky without any sort of extradimensional evil making them do it.

skaianDestiny posted:

I mean Kris hides under people's beds to scare them and squirts ketchup all over themselves and say its blood. Also they dump bathbombs in the toilet.

Haifisch posted:

And that knife at the end is because they are going to eat all the pie, but wanted to freak out the player too.

Pie theory is real.

Nyaa posted:

There’s a very good reason why kris/chara is super pissed in the end: i would too if i am forced to eat moss

Haifisch posted:

I'm going to laugh if the full version comes out and Chara doesn't come into play at all. Not even once. It just so happens that Kris likes acting really creepy and spooky without any sort of extradimensional evil making them do it.