Savage Cracker posted:

Danish politics are a trainwreck all the time

Randarkman posted:

What's ghettoplanen?

Nice piece of fish posted:

Denmark has always been the Florida of Scandinavia. Where's that gif...

Randarkman posted:

What's ghettoplanen?

A Buttery Pastry posted:

In short:

- Harsher sentences in certain ("immigrant" heavy) zones
- Way more state control in ghettos
- Reduced welfare for people moving into ghettos
- Various measures to encourage the destruction of public housing

MiddleOne posted:

Did anyone say next election?!

https://twitter.com/svtnyheter/status/1065541331194454016

Gobbeldygook posted:

Bosnian Baba Yaga

Randarkman posted:

What's ghettoplanen?

SplitSoul posted:

- Massive reduction of public housing in ghettos by 2030. There's already a huge shortage. And yes, "ghetto" is the official term used in legislation and since 2017 it legally differs from a "socially disadvantaged area" with an ethnic Danish majority.
- Demolition of public housing paid for with the residents' own renovation funds.
- Doubling of punishments for certain crimes committed in ghettos.
- Forced daycare for 1-year-olds on the threat of losing child benefits, where said 1-year-olds are supposed to learn about democracy and stuff.
- Language tests for kindergarten class students in ghettos.
- Three-month halt to child benefits if your kid misses school 15% of the time or misses a test.
- Prison of up to one year if a teacher or similar shirks their duty to report problem students to the authorities.
- Halving of benefits for people on welfare moving to ghettos and forbidding municipal authorities from assigning housing to them there.
- Students and the employed prioritised for public housing.
- Making it easier to evict people from public housing in general.
- The ability to evict entire families if their children commit crimes in the area.
- Barring criminals from moving to ghettos.
- Minimum requirements for public school performance, harsh sanctions up to and including state takeover and shuttering if results don't improve.

That's just off the top of my head. They rolled into a notorious ghetto with scores of armed police to present their grand plan (none of the residents were allowed to attend the press conference, of course).

Randarkman posted:

What's ghettoplanen?

Potrzebie posted:

Isn't this in gross violation of every HR-paragraph ever written? How is Denmark not on the same EU shitlist as Poland and Hungary?

Revelation 2-13 posted:

As split soul said, it's a legal form of apartheid aimed at immigrants (and the poor more generally, but mainly immigrants). Now, "normal" apartheid laws obviously isn't legal because of annoying human rights conventions and so on, so they had to put some of their top men on it, and make some 'Nuremberg laws' style legal-finagling to make it work. Obviously, the minister behind these laws is from the actual Ayn Rand inspired libertarian party.

Anyway, for the ghettoplan, simplified, it goes like this:

Ghetto areas get defined, inter alia, by whether or not there are a lot immigrants living there. Not by normal social economic measures, but literally how many immigrants live there (it's a little more complex, basically two things out of a list has to be fulfilled in order for it to be a ghetto). This is obviously extremely counter-intuitive unless you really hate immigrants, since any normal person with a tiny bit of reasoning left in their skull, would assume the causality would go the other way, but who cares about logic and reasoning when you just really want to hurt the muslims?

Moving on, it's not enough to just hit the immigrants though, no, it has to be immigrants and descendants of immigrants, race hygiene is very important guys. While you're at it, why stop there? We can be more bigoted. Since it's actually muslims we want to hurt, you got a step further and define 'ghetto' as whether or not immigrants and descendants of immigrants from non-western countries live there. Phew, you dodged a bullet there swedes. Oh, and of course, the government also artificially inflates unemployment % in areas they really want to be designated 'ghetto' because it has a lot of muslims, by calculating unemployment different in this respect, than they do normally.

Once you're there, where you have successfully defined "ghetto areas" as a place where muslims/immigrants live, you can start hurting them in various ways, such as lower the social and unemployment benefits in that areas, you can punish parents economically if their kids misbehave, or play hooky from school (many already at starvation levels, because they get lower than normal social benefits). You can give them mandatory "offers" of 30 hours of day-care per week (which costs money obviously) from the age of ... literally 1 ... and punish them, if they don't, and so on and so on. Obviously you should also bulldoze a lot of those homes and give them a hardy 'good luck' once those families are out on the street without anywhere to go, and no money to pay for anything.

In sum; you're literally punished more severely and have much harsher laws applied to you, if you live in a ghetto area. Those ghetto areas get defined by (among other things) where are a lot of immigrants and descendants of immigrants, from non-western countries.

I cannot describe how gut-wrenchingly awful it feels to have followed the development in Denmark first hand over the last 15-20 years. I mean, it was always kinda the racist uncle of scandinavia, but seeing right-wing extremism take hold to such an extent that something like 80% of danish politicians voted this today. Even with the slight 'nuremberg'-style fig leaf, it is honestly horrifying. I'd run, but there is nowhere to go. I'd fight, but I've already been doing that for a long time, and it clearly hasn't worked. It's cold comfort that this obviously will backfire and create way more problems, as young 'descendants' get further marginalized and radicalized. I mean, who wouldn't be? When they're so obviously shat on by their own country and treated (and legally considered) second class citizens.

e: in case it's not clear, it doesn't technically target immigrants and descendants directly, which is why their are sure it'll pass human right courts and son on, it simply includes them in one of several possible traits that characterize ghettos, and everyone in a ghetto area are treated the same. Curiously, it's mainly immigrants that live in ghetto areas, when you define ghetto areas by whether lots of immigrants live there. It's all pretty blatant.

Gobbeldygook posted:

How does the state not currently control the ghetto?

Potrzebie posted:

Isn't this in gross violation of every HR-paragraph ever written? How is Denmark not on the same EU shitlist as Poland and Hungary?

Revelation 2-13 posted:

Once you're there, where you have successfully defined "ghetto areas" as a place where muslims/immigrants live, you can start hurting them in various ways, such as lower the social and unemployment benefits in that areas, you can punish parents economically if their kids misbehave, or play hooky from school (many already at starvation levels, because they get lower than normal social benefits). You can give them mandatory "offers" of 30 hours of day-care per week (which costs money obviously) from the age of ... literally 1 ... and punish them, if they don't, and so on and so on. Obviously you should also bulldoze a lot of those homes and give them a hardy 'good luck' once those families are out on the street without anywhere to go, and no money to pay for anything.

McCloud posted:

What exactly is the long term plan here? So they're impoverishing these people and make them homeless, now you have a lot of hungry, angry people without homes, then what? Do they think these people will just vanish? They're just expanding the recruitment pool of organised crime and radical organisations.

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I meant state control in the actual lives of people living there, curtailing their freedoms based on their area of residence.

McCloud posted:

What exactly is the long term plan here? So they're impoverishing these people and make them homeless, now you have a lot of hungry, angry people without homes, then what? Do they think these people will just vanish? They're just expanding the recruitment pool of organised crime and radical organisations.

McCloud posted:

What exactly is the long term plan here? So they're impoverishing these people and make them homeless, now you have a lot of hungry, angry people without homes, then what? Do they think these people will just vanish? They're just expanding the recruitment pool of organised crime and radical organisations.

McCloud posted:

When's the next election in denmark? Why aren't the politicians being raked across the coals by the journalists?

McCloud posted:

I'm just really struggling to come to grips with such willful negligence where you enact laws that will hurt pretty much everyone in the end. It's beyond spiteful, and the only ones who actually benefit from this are the quisling politicians that vote for it because they think they can ride the xenophobic wave to reelection, so you would think the people would be in an uproar over this poo poo.

McCloud posted:

What exactly is the long term plan here? So they're impoverishing these people and make them homeless, now you have a lot of hungry, angry people without homes, then what? Do they think these people will just vanish? They're just expanding the recruitment pool of organised crime and radical organisations.

Revelation 2-13 posted:

Obviously, the minister behind these laws is from the actual Ayn Rand inspired libertarian party.

McCloud posted:

Why aren't the politicians being raked across the coals by the journalists?

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

They recently passed a law that effectively outlawed homelessness, and a spokesperson for the nativist party was baffled to learn that the law also targeted the ethnically Danish homeless and candidly stated that it was only supposed to get rid of scary foreigners.

THE BAR posted:

I feel all kinds of awful, that we're being taken down by a loving sentient ham.

SplitSoul posted:

You have to be way more specific.

Catboy Autonomist posted:

So how high above sea level is Denmark? Wanna know if they'll get the same karmic retribution as the PVV in the Netherlands when they end up as climate refugees in the next few decades

Retarded Goatee posted:

Oh boy, you are not going to see any whining about a lack of space and resources from the Swedish pundits when the refugees coming in are European.

Retarded Goatee posted:

Oh boy, you are not going to see any whining about a lack of space and resources from the Swedish pundits when the refugees coming in are European.

Catboy Autonomist posted:

So how high above sea level is Denmark? Wanna know if they'll get the same karmic retribution as the PVV in the Netherlands when they end up as climate refugees in the next few decades

Katt posted:

Randarkman posted:

Is the nurse being Swiss part of the joke? Because Swiss German is essentially the German version of Danish in that it is just noise masquerading as language and sounds ridiculous.