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Darth Walrus posted:It's a dark day when Ann Coulter is owning you. You see the number of people who see immigration as the most important issue briefly went up: Gallup: Immigration Up Sharply as Most Important U.S. Problem So clearly fearmongering about it is the only rational choice left to ~sensible centrists~
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Sanguinia posted:I jut can't get over the hilarity of the fact that goons were literally salivating over the possibility of Pelosi getting ousted by a flank from the left, but she ended up being suckerpunched from the right and now all the new left-wing reps are rallying to her defense. Life is a funny old thing. i think it's more hilarious that the right wing dems pelosi rigged primaries to help immediately swung around and tried to knife her in the back i think there's a lesson in there about how worthwhile blue dogs are
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Sanguinia posted:I jut can't get over the hilarity of the fact that goons were literally salivating over the possibility of Pelosi getting ousted by a flank from the left, but she ended up being suckerpunched from the right and now all the new left-wing reps are rallying to her defense. Life is a funny old thing. Maybe if congress people had to live as AOC in vows of economic equivalence to their constituents we'd only have 99% of congress be rich assholes.
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I've seen a couple people saying that Beto isn't for M4A at this point. Is that correct? I know he's not "to the left" of Sanders but would be curious to know how progressive he is or isn't. His obvious cool dad charisma is appealing but not if he's a blue dog.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I've seen a couple people saying that Beto isn't for M4A at this point. Is that correct? I know he's not "to the left" of Sanders but would be curious to know how progressive he is or isn't. His obvious cool dad charisma is appealing but not if he's a blue dog. according to his facebook, he supports medicare for all but disagrees about how the one major M4A bill in the house, HR 676, accomplishes it policy disagreements about how we should do UHC is like insanely far away from being a blue dog. eke out fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Nov 23, 2018 |
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eke out posted:according to his facebook, he supports medicare for all but disagrees about how the one major M4A bill in the house, HR 676, accomplishes it he didn't call o'rourke a blue dog, just said that he's not worth it if he is (and stated that he really isn't sure where o'rourke falls on the issue) that being said, while i'm not the biggest fan of him, national nurses united did endorse him, and they are super-pro medicare for all and singlepayer, so i'm willing to believe that he's genuine on wanting single payer / medicare for all of some form
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How bad will Pelosi caving to the Blue Dogs affect any potential health care reforms realistically? I'm not under any illusions about M4A becoming reality tomorrow, but a lot of these reps are owned by insurance and pharma correct?
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Hellblazer187 posted:I've seen a couple people saying that Beto isn't for M4A at this point. Is that correct? I know he's not "to the left" of Sanders but would be curious to know how progressive he is or isn't. His obvious cool dad charisma is appealing but not if he's a blue dog. Beto is slightly left leaning of the average Dem, putting him solidly in the centrist category. He was running in freaking TEXAS though, so pretty liberal by lone star standards.
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thegalagakid posted:How bad will Pelosi caving to the Blue Dogs affect any potential health care reforms realistically? I'm not under any illusions about M4A becoming reality tomorrow, but a lot of these reps are owned by insurance and pharma correct? She's not going to cave to these idiots at worst she's going to give them a weasel-rear end assurance then ignore them once they've done what she wanted, same as she'd do to progressives trying to hold her up.
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thegalagakid posted:How bad will Pelosi caving to the Blue Dogs affect any potential health care reforms realistically? I'm not under any illusions about M4A becoming reality tomorrow, but a lot of these reps are owned by insurance and pharma correct? Uh, the Dems don't control the Senate or Presidency so the chance of them passing any health care reform is already zero. Everything the Dem House passes will just be a showcase of what they might do if they hold all three branches following the 2020 election.
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eke out posted:according to his facebook, he supports medicare for all but disagrees about how the one major M4A bill in the house, HR 676, accomplishes it Thanks. I've just seen a lot of people in the 2020 thread saying he's backed off from his M4A support so I was wondering what that was about.
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Pellisworth posted:Uh, the Dems don't control the Senate or Presidency so the chance of them passing any health care reform is already zero. Everything the Dem House passes will just be a showcase of what they might do if they hold all three branches following the 2020 election. They should really pull the same poo poo the GOP did trying to repeal Obamacare, except with actually good policy. Pass a $15 min wage 25 times in the house, and watch Republicans in the Senate smother it in its crib over and over. Repeat for green energy initiatives, a public option, and whatever else could easily pass because it polls at 60+% nationwide, and usually 80+% of Democrats. Watching Republicans repeatedly kill very popular legislation will fire up the Dem base even more for 2020. And it has the bonus effect of making Republican voters see their politicians gently caress them over again and again.
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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1066062617670754305 This kind of thing makes me think we’re heading for something like indentured servitude based on educational requirements. Hey 18 year olds! Want a job? We’re hiring Sanitation Engineers. Bachelors degree required. Can’t afford school? We’ll cover your tuition if you work for us to pay off your debt*, starting during your first semester. *repayment period is approximately 720 months. Early payment not permitted. Failure to complete service will constitute theft by deception.
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RasperFat posted:They should really pull the same poo poo the GOP did trying to repeal Obamacare, except with actually good policy. afaik that's exactly the plan, pass a bunch of good legislation that Dems can run on in 2020 and have their opponents on record voting against it Plus, once the Dems are in power in 2020 (hopefully), they'll already have a bunch of legislation written, hashed out in committee, and voted on so it should be quicker to pass for real. Pellisworth fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Nov 23, 2018 |
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Hellblazer187 posted:Thanks. I've just seen a lot of people in the 2020 thread saying he's backed off from his M4A support so I was wondering what that was about. He stopped using the words "M4A" during the Cruz debates but otherwise he's been fairly consistent on supporting some form of single payer.
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What a loving prick https://twitter.com/joshjonsmith/status/1065875395256311808
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Jealous Cow posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1066062617670754305 I'm not going to lie, but if there was an option to do guaranteed work in a field I was educated for but I was basically indentured for a five-to-ten year period to clear my student loans, I would jump at the chance. That Worry Free bit in Sorry To Bother You hit pretty close to home. 
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Y'all have that medal wrong. It's not saying "Led," but rather "Lead." It's about all the lead Trump is fearlessly ingesting.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Y'all have that medal wrong. It's not saying "Led," but rather "Lead." It's about all the lead Trump is fearlessly ingesting. Holy poo poo, you're right. 
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So the leftist stronghold is weakened because...there's a bunch of power further on the left? Bernie actively likes the youth getting engaged in politics, he's likely gonna try to weld his powerbase to theirs and support them.
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KillHour posted:Holy poo poo, you're right. Maybe that's what the medals are made of. Trump is personally ingesting the lead, then making GBS threads out said lead into a mold. "Lead, by a fearless American president."
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Alkydere posted:So the leftist stronghold is weakened because...there's a bunch of power further on the left? Bernie actively likes the youth getting engaged in politics, he's likely gonna try to weld his powerbase to theirs and support them. there can only be one leftist leader apparently and as aoc rises bernie's power withers into nothingness
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Alkydere posted:So the leftist stronghold is weakened because...there's a bunch of power further on the left? Bernie actively likes the youth getting engaged in politics, he's likely gonna try to weld his powerbase to theirs and support them. Nothing can ever be reported on as an unqualified good thing for progressives.
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Condiv posted:i think it's more hilarious that the right wing dems pelosi rigged primaries to help immediately swung around and tried to knife her in the back Whose primaries did she rig? Shifty Pony posted:Nothing can ever be reported on as an unqualified good thing for progressives. Editorial bullshit on twitter shares is always like this. Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Nov 23, 2018 |
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Nevvy Z posted:Whose primaries did she rig? If I had to guess it’s probably how she dared endorse incumbent Dems in their primaries which in Condiv’s mind is tantamount to rigging. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Nov 23, 2018 |
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Shifty Pony posted:Nothing can ever be reported on as an unqualified good thing for progressives. And of course centrists always jump over every opportunity to poo poo on leftists. https://twitter.com/hoarsewisperer/status/1066016383706808320?s=21 Look at this BS. There’s a whole line of people waiting to shout “Bernie is an NRA whore millionaire!” every single time any opinion piece says anything about him. It would be amusing if it didn’t help fascists so much by contributing to the propaganda smearing of the few good politicians we have.
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Condiv posted:there can only be one leftist leader apparently and as aoc rises bernie's power withers into nothingness It's like the Highlander, AOC is going to decapitate Bernie and gain his power.
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STAC Goat posted:"Lead By A Fearless American President (not pictured)" He must be super pissed his name and picture aren’t on that coin. ...unless you flip it around and it’s his fleshy rectangular profile smugly smirking like he’s Caesar on the back of the Denarius.
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nine-gear crow posted:He must be super pissed his name and picture aren’t on that coin. ...unless you flip it around and it’s his fleshy rectangular profile smugly smirking like he’s Caesar on the back of the Denarius. He's probably more pissed he isn't making any money from it. "The White House Gift Shop" is basically a grift operation run out of some warehouse in a flyover state iirc.
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Sanguinia posted:I jut can't get over the hilarity of the fact that goons were literally salivating over the possibility of Pelosi getting ousted by a flank from the left, but she ended up being suckerpunched from the right and now all the new left-wing reps are rallying to her defense. Life is a funny old thing. I think that in nearly all of these cases it was just because they didn't understand what was happening, but people like AOC have a strong enough capacity to message a better understanding of the situation that in the span of 48 hours that "pelosi bad/is a waste" narratives realized to some extent what was up, and tuned it way down.
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Remember when people kept trying to sell Obamacare, food stamps, and the idea of a robust social safety net to Republicans by talking about the economic stimulus it provided? But dammit, helping the undeserving is against our principles, so it’s not worth it. It’s amazing, though, not surprising, that siding with Saudi Arabia for the economic benefits after they murder a journalist doesn’t provoke this reaction.
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Young Freud posted:I'm not going to lie, but if there was an option to do guaranteed work in a field I was educated for but I was basically indentured for a five-to-ten year period to clear my student loans, I would jump at the chance. Reminds me of Medieval style apprenticeships
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DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ColinKahl/status/1065756721405059072 Yep, sell nukes to the country from which 15 of the 19 of the 9/11 attackers came. What can possibly go wrong?
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Shifty Pony posted:He's probably more pissed he isn't making any money from it. I was in the white house gift shop last year. Didn't like the idea of giving Trump money, but on the other hand the stuff in there didn't have his name on it (at the time) and looked nice. Ended up buying a few fidget spinners with the presidential seal for $5 each. Gave most of them away but kept one for myself. Total garbage. Within a few days of intermittent spinning, the bearings were audibly grinding. Now even a full force spin only makes the thing rotate for about ten seconds. Anyway, that's my white house gift shop story, tyvm.
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Unponderable posted:I was in the white house gift shop last year. Didn't like the idea of giving Trump money, but on the other hand the stuff in there didn't have his name on it (at the time) and looked nice. Ended up buying a few fidget spinners with the presidential seal for $5 each. Gave most of them away but kept one for myself. There's a difference between the gift shop at the actual White House and "The White House Gift Shop" online. The first is most likely run by the Park Service because the WH is technically a National Park, the latter is owned by Giannini Strategic Enterprises, LLC located in an office on 301 Front St in Lititz, PA (I remembered wrong about the flyover state) and has zero current affiliation with the Federal Government.
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Nevvy Z posted:Whose primaries did she rig? https://theintercept.com/2018/04/26/steny-hoyer-audio-levi-tillemann/ pelosi's subordinate hoyer was caught interfering in the tillerman/crow primary https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/26/nancy-pelosi-steny-hoyer-recordings-555935 quote:“I don’t see anything inappropriate in what Mr. Hoyer was engaged in conversation about,” Pelosi told reporters at her weekly news conference. “If the realities of life is that some candidates can do better in the general than others, then that’s a clear-eyed conversation that we should be having.” https://thehill.com/homenews/house/415569-nancy-pelosis-math-problem-in-a-speaker-vote quote:Rep.-elects Jason Crow (Colo.) and Abigail Spanberger (Va.), as well as Rep. Conor Lamb (D-Pa.), who won a full two-year term, have said they won’t vote for Pelosi on the House floor. happy to help Shimrra Jamaane posted:If I had to guess it's probably how she dared endorse incumbent Dems in their primaries which in Condiv's mind is tantamount to rigging. yes, stepping into primaries is lovely, even when an incumbent dem is running. crow was not an incumbent though
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