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Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Can Clinton stop trying to drag the other countries into fascism to appease the right wing? I didn't think something this hyperbolic would be reality but that's what we get in the late fall of 2018.

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Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

God that cruiser is old as poo poo.

Skex
Feb 22, 2012

The great thing about the thousands of slaughtered Palestinian children is that they can't pull away when you fondle them or sniff their hair.

That's a Biden success story.

WampaLord posted:

I think it's fairly telling that the people who were arguing against Condiv haven't responded to this post at all.

It's not telling of poo poo, it's a stupid argument that is premised on a fundamental misunderstanding of how the Democratic party operates.

Because it starts with the premise that Hoyer is her subordinate rather than her rival.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
cookies need love

RasperFat posted:

This is basically the opening deposition dump of Snow piercer.

I’m surprised I haven’t seen more references to it on Twitter.

gohmak fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Nov 24, 2018

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord
If anyone needs some good news today: twitter banned intentional misgendering and 'deadnaming' people

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

If anyone needs some good news today: twitter banned intentional misgendering and 'deadnaming' people

Countdown til Peterson or Shapiro ban? They definitely won't just accept this.

Slow News Day
Jul 4, 2007

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

If anyone needs some good news today: twitter banned intentional misgendering and 'deadnaming' people

nothing about twitter can make me feel good sorry

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Artificial carbon cap seems like techno fetishism to me and like some have half pointed out we can you know, stop making GBS threads the bed so much instead of wishing someone would make some super techbro.


Also maybe we could use Atom plants to make carbon neutral energy, maybe?

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

If anyone needs some good news today: twitter banned intentional misgendering and 'deadnaming' people

I will only feel good when I see some prominent right wing twitter pundits get banned.

Jealous Cow
Apr 4, 2002

by Fluffdaddy

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

If anyone needs some good news today: twitter banned intentional misgendering and 'deadnaming' people

But nazis and white supremacy is still okey dokey.

friendbot2000
May 1, 2011

Deified Data posted:

Countdown til Peterson or Shapiro ban? They definitely won't just accept this.

It warms my heart that he wet himself on national television when he intentionally misgendered a trans Navy Seal. Then tried to file a police report when she "threatened him"

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Jealous Cow posted:

But nazis and white supremacy is still okey dokey.

Is it? The whole reason gab got made was real twitter banning enough nazis they tried to make their own thing that then also got banned.

Squalid
Nov 4, 2008

PhazonLink posted:

Artificial carbon cap seems like techno fetishism to me and like some have half pointed out we can you know, stop making GBS threads the bed so much instead of wishing someone would make some super techbro.


Also maybe we could use Atom plants to make carbon neutral energy, maybe?

We already poo poo the bed. The question is once we stop making GBS threads, will it be worthwhile to try and bleach out the stains?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Deified Data posted:

Countdown til Peterson or Shapiro ban? They definitely won't just accept this.

This will finally force them to make the jump to Gab.

edit:

<-------------------- OMG! After 15 years, the curse of that awful avatar is finally lifted! :dance:

Mr Interweb fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Nov 24, 2018

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

HRC just hopped onto the shelf occupied by Cheney, Kissinger, et al, which is useful if we're going to move this loving behemoth further left. Good riddance.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Deified Data posted:

Countdown til Peterson or Shapiro ban? They definitely won't just accept this.

peterson first probably. i mean that dipshit got famous off of that poo poo. Shapiro will probably get banned when he gets mad and screams the N word.

Ate My Balls Redux
Aug 2, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

rscott posted:

Clinton saying that immigrants need to learn English and get in line is 100% dogwhistle language to xenophobes how do establishment Dems just ignore that poo poo?

Like if Paul Ryan gave that speech it would totally be called out for the racists dribble it is but since HRC said it they're falling all over themselves to say how smart and pragmatic it is

Lol how many temper tantrums have you seen ITT the last few days about your responsibility to vote for the lesser evil? As long as she does one thing better than the other choice, you gotta vote for her!!

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Ate My Balls Redux posted:

Lol how many temper tantrums have you seen ITT the last few days about your responsibility to vote for the lesser evil? As long as she does one thing better than the other choice, you gotta vote for her!!

I mean yeah. But this whole debate can be avoided by a fair primary.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Squalid posted:

What is an artificial tree?

Artificial trees are devices made out of extreme carbon-phillic materials and storage tanks to wick away co2 from the air and store it in tanks. Like condensed trees, if I'm understanding it correctly.


BrandorKP posted:

A handy sized vessel burns about 25 to 30 MT (metric tons) a day, a panamax probably about 35 MT. Now that doesn't straight convert one would have to do the stoichiometry, which I can do but ehhhh.

Anyway just handy bulk carriers there are 2000 + sailing. I believe the last time I checked there were over 6000 bulk carriers of over 10000 DWT (dead weight tons) . There are also containerships, roro ship, and they aren't included in that number. Just to give a general sense of scale of the marine transportation portion of climate change.

Sea transport is a pretty serious problem since you can't convert it to electricity, they're basically stuck with fossil fuels forever.

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

PhazonLink posted:

Artificial carbon cap seems like techno fetishism to me and like some have half pointed out we can you know, stop making GBS threads the bed so much instead of wishing someone would make some super techbro.


Also maybe we could use Atom plants to make carbon neutral energy, maybe?

Two things. Photosynthesis as a means of carbon capture is incredibly inefficient and slow. Hence the figures basically calling for a forest the size of India to mitigate to 1.5C.

The other thing. And it's the big thing. If say atmospheric CO2 steady-stated at 450ppm, temperature increase isn't 1.5 or 2C, it's 8 degrees. The Paris target is a proxy for the hope that we get our poo poo together by 2100, which is roughly fast enough to avoid ocean heat cycling locking in the more destructive temperature changes. We know this is what happens, ice core samples from epochs with similar carbon levels tell us so.

My interest is in seeing atmospheric carbon go back to 250-260ppm. The only way to do that is with massive carbon capture, and the only way I see that happening short of a massive socialist ecological revolution is by economic incentive.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Grapplejack posted:

Artificial trees are devices made out of extreme carbon-phillic materials and storage tanks to wick away co2 from the air and store it in tanks. Like condensed trees, if I'm understanding it correctly.


Sea transport is a pretty serious problem since you can't convert it to electricity, they're basically stuck with fossil fuels forever.

There are nuclear powered ships though.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Is it? The whole reason gab got made was real twitter banning enough nazis they tried to make their own thing that then also got banned.

Unless things have radically changed in the last month or so you can Nazi it up in generic terms, euphemisms, and "positive" "My race is great!" type statements on Twitter all you want. You just can't Nazi at one specific person or drop a straight up "gas the __________" / "(ethnic group) are subhuman" statement.


Gab is full of people so awful they are unable or unwilling to abide by those incredibly permissive rules.

Triskelli
Sep 27, 2011

I AM A SKELETON
WITH VERY HIGH
STANDARDS


Ghost Leviathan posted:

There are nuclear powered ships though.

Right, but that would require most nations have fleets of nuclear reactors, which is a bad thing if we’re still interested in non-proliferation.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Triskelli posted:

Right, but that would require most nations have fleets of nuclear reactors, which is a bad thing if we’re still interested in non-proliferation.

All states have a right to peaceful nuclear reactors and technology, under the NPT.

Chimp_On_Stilts
Aug 31, 2004
Holy Hell.

Mr Interweb posted:

This will finally force them to make the jump to Gab.

edit:

<-------------------- OMG! After 15 years, the curse of that awful avatar is finally lifted! :dance:

But I've recognized your posts by that old av for years :ohdear:

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




Chimp_On_Stilts posted:

But I've recognized your posts by that old av for years :ohdear:

Well maybe now you can remember people for their actions rather than their looks.

Kobayashi
Aug 13, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

Skex posted:

The difference between myself and the Dems are bad brigade is that I believe that people can be wrong without having to be malicious. And yes there is a substantive difference between the two.

Difference of intent does not imply difference in practice.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Grapplejack posted:

Sea transport is a pretty serious problem since you can't convert it to electricity, they're basically stuck with fossil fuels forever.

There is a cross over point for nuclear for some services (big huge fast containerships). It was close in 2008 before the crash and I got to watch a presentation on the Savannah about a nuclear container service, they'd even picked shipyards. Then the financial crisis hit. Ain't been close since.

Also almost everything stops if the ships stop.

mango sentinel
Jan 5, 2001

by sebmojo

i am harry posted:

HRC just hopped onto the shelf occupied by Cheney, Kissinger, et al, which is useful if we're going to move this loving behemoth further left. Good riddance.

She doubled down on Kissinger being a mentor after Bernie called it out in the primary. This is not new.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Triskelli posted:

Right, but that would require most nations have fleets of nuclear reactors, which is a bad thing if we’re still interested in non-proliferation.

Well they couldn't be FOCs.

It might radically change the balance of flagstates from FOCs (Flags of convenience) to regular nations, which is a good thing.

Serfer
Mar 10, 2003

The piss tape is real



Grapplejack posted:

Sea transport is a pretty serious problem since you can't convert it to electricity, they're basically stuck with fossil fuels forever.
Vertical sails (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/spinning-metal-sails-could-slash-fuel-consumption-emissions-cargo-ships) and solar cells might make it feasible to go fully electric across the ocean, but yeah, nuclear is a great idea that will likely never be adopted

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Wind is free.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
even without the crash atomz would have been DOA.

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
Basically any reasonable solution to climate change (where solution means our population stays in the billions with no mass collapse of civilization) will involve either humans collectively deciding to make short term sacrifices for future gains (lol) or are dependent on hypothetical technologies that may or may not ever exist.

A mass switch to nuclear energy combined with some form of carbon capture to undo the damage we've already done is one of those paths but, barring people suddenly being good, it requires both an economic incentive to switch to nuclear and an economically viable use for capture CO2

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Bird lives are priceless.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

no, wind power is not free

it is, however, very good and at least highly competitive

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

VanSandman posted:

I think you miss the main problem - that instead of addressing the substantive issues that drive people towards fascism (economic insecurity, blaming some 'other' for domestic problems, a refusal to address racial tensions and inequalities), Hillary wants to use fascist means to avoid real domestic change because she is rich, all her friends are rich, they already think they are paying their fair share, and she has long since forgotten what it means to be poor and struggling to get by.

There is nothing good left there. Only a rich out of touch old idiot, marginally less evil than Trump.


quote:

We need to break the stranglehold on economic and political power held by a small
group of powerful interests and billionaire families, reduce inequality, and produce
both more economic growth and more economic fairness.
And there are bold, creative proposals worth exploring, like putting a price on
carbon pollution and using the money to fund clean energy and to send dividends
back to working families. That would lower emissions and raise incomes at the
same time – not to mention weaken petro-dictators like Putin.
Or taxing net worth instead of annual income, which would reduce inequality and
provide the resources needed to make major new investments in infrastructure and
education.
We should explore how to make a universal basic income work in a way that
preserves dignity and a sense of purpose.
And we need to reform corporate governance and break up monopolies and
oligopolies. Now the list goes on. Because making our democracies deliver also
requires making government more ethical, transparent, and responsive.


same speech

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Hillary is really, really good at making terrible sound bites that render the otherwise reasonable content of the rest of the speech completely irrelevant to the intended audience.

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014



that's great, but her argument re immigration is fundamentally a capitulation to racists. i'm more sympathetic to hillary than a lot of people in D&D but the right-wing nativists aren't going to go away if more immigration restrictions are enacted, and it's ridiculous that she seems to think they will. even when she says good things, she just has no credibility in regard to them

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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Serfer posted:

Vertical sails (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/09/spinning-metal-sails-could-slash-fuel-consumption-emissions-cargo-ships) and solar cells might make it feasible to go fully electric across the ocean, but yeah, nuclear is a great idea that will likely never be adopted

Lol, modest efficency (10%) gains in rather specfic wind conditions on certain ocean routes do not a replacement propulsion plant make.

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