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GreyjoyBastard posted:NYTimes is bad and a waste 50к in DC is like 30k in the rest of the country.
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Koalas Massacre posted:This really reads as you telling a trans person and by extension other minorities to shut up and deal with it fyi I'm late, but this has been the sum of Skex's arguments for a while, it was just a little more explicit this time than usual.
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Nov 24, 2018 19:58
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I don’t know why, whenever UHC comes up, multiple posters have to point out that UHC is a different kind of rationing. No poo poo, we all know that. Rationing healthcare based on who can pay for it is the second worst way to distribute healthcare behind literal racist distribution. Maybe there are other examples of lovely rationing systems, but virtually any other system is better than the status quo in the US.
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Nov 24, 2018 19:58
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MickeyFinn posted:I don’t know why, whenever UHC comes up, multiple posters have to point out that UHC is a different kind of rationing. No poo poo, we all know that. Rationing healthcare based on who can pay for it is the second worst way to distribute healthcare behind literal racist distribution. Maybe there are other examples of lovely rationing systems, but virtually any other system is better than the status quo in the US. I understand that the US system is the literal worst. I just wanted to point out that there's always going to be some cutoffs on what services are available since with modern breakthroughs there are possible insanely expensive treatments for super rare things. Nationally funded healthcare is still obviously a billion times better. I didn't want to argue against that at all.
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Nov 24, 2018 20:00
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50k in dc qualifies you for low income preschool, pretty sure
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Nov 24, 2018 20:06
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Unzip and Attack posted:Yeah and so are racist policies implemented to boost one's "bipartisan" appeal, thanks for playing. I was only talking about that rather dumb example that was posted about drunk driving. I agree with your statement here.
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Nov 24, 2018 20:13
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Condiv posted:
So we've got one person who never had a chance whatsoever of winning the primary because the voters didn't like him. That is seriously your smoking gun for Dems rigging the primaries.
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Nov 24, 2018 20:17
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MickeyFinn posted:I don’t know why, whenever UHC comes up, multiple posters have to point out that UHC is a different kind of rationing. No poo poo, we all know that. Rationing healthcare based on who can pay for it is the second worst way to distribute healthcare behind literal racist distribution. Maybe there are other examples of lovely rationing systems, but virtually any other system is better than the status quo in the US. Because discussing the obvious issues of US healthcare policy with generally like-minded folks is boring and repetitive and it's more interesting/challenging to talk about various implementations and their limitations. It's not like those limitations won't be front-and-center in the future and it's probably more helpful to think about effective ways to counter those arguments other then calling people racist neoliberal capitalist fascists or whatever.
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Nov 24, 2018 20:25
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Ardennes posted:50к in DC is like 30k in the rest of the country. i totally failed to convey what i was trying to say, i agree wholeheartedly but we've had the merry-go-round before of "50k? they should be totally fine!"
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Nov 24, 2018 20:32
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AAAARGH Our nation is a landslide in slow motion for everybody to see like a Sir David Attenbourgh nature special. E- everybody checks to see if he's been knighted, and yes. 
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Nov 24, 2018 20:36
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KickerOfMice posted:AAAARGH Our nation is a landslide in slow motion for everybody to see like a Sir David Attenbourgh nature special. Real people already knew.
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Nov 24, 2018 20:45
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Nurge posted:Real people already knew. I don't get it. E- I assume that's some kind of personal stab, but idgi. KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Nov 24, 2018 |
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Nov 24, 2018 20:47
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i totally failed to convey what i was trying to say, i agree wholeheartedly but we've had the merry-go-round before of "50k? they should be totally fine!" Honestly I just think it is another sign of the spokes flying off.
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Nov 24, 2018 20:51
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KingNastidon posted:Because discussing the obvious issues of US healthcare policy with generally like-minded folks is boring and repetitive and it's more interesting/challenging to talk about various implementations and their limitations. It's not like those limitations won't be front-and-center in the future and it's probably more helpful to think about effective ways to counter those arguments other then calling people racist neoliberal capitalist fascists or whatever. At the risk of engaging far too much in a meta-discussion. I haven’t seen a debate on how to ration care since gul banana’s thread a long, long time ago. It’s possible I missed the plot in the current discussion, but I’d love to see people with insight discuss metrics for distributing care or organizational principles for UHC. D&D shines when people with detailed knowledge D&D a topic.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:00
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Nurge posted:I understand that the US system is the literal worst. I just wanted to point out that there's always going to be some cutoffs on what services are available since with modern breakthroughs there are possible insanely expensive treatments for super rare things. Nationally funded healthcare is still obviously a billion times better. I didn't want to argue against that at all. KingNastidon posted:Because discussing the obvious issues of US healthcare policy with generally like-minded folks is boring and repetitive and it's more interesting/challenging to talk about various implementations and their limitations. It's not like those limitations won't be front-and-center in the future and it's probably more helpful to think about effective ways to counter those arguments other then calling people racist neoliberal capitalist fascists or whatever. When you bring it up every single time someone mentions UHC it comes across as concern trolling at best
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Nov 24, 2018 21:02
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Person Dyslexic posted:I was going to post the same drat thing except less eloquently, so thanks. The internet always has a way of taking something that should be a huge boon for a given collective and cheapening and memeing it into the ground. Let's see what happens with AOC going forward, but yeah there's a difference between showing support and being over the top weird about a popular politician. Is there some particular history behind this quote? I see this twitter post from 4 years ago not only quoted but taken and posted as a direct response to things all the time in this thread. Kale fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Nov 24, 2018 |
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Nov 24, 2018 21:04
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Kale posted:The internet always has a way of taking something that should be a huge boon for a given collective and cheapening and memeing it into the ground. Let's see what happens with AOC going forward, but yeah there's a difference between showing support and being over the top weird about a popular politician. I knew I always reluctantly  you for a reason, Kale.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:08
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Pablo Nergigante posted:When you bring it up every single time someone mentions UHC it comes across as concern trolling at best I do want to point out it's the first time I've ever commented on healthcare. Either way I didn't mean to seem like I was against UHC at all. Just noting that it's not the perfect panacea. Just a better option.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:12
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GreyjoyBastard posted:i totally failed to convey what i was trying to say, i agree wholeheartedly but we've had the merry-go-round before of "50k? they should be totally fine!" I don't see any reason why congressional staffers shouldn't make at least the national median wage.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:15
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Kale posted:The internet always has a way of taking something that should be a huge boon for a given collective and cheapening and memeing it into the ground. Let's see what happens with AOC going forward, but yeah there's a difference between showing support and being over the top weird about a popular politician. 
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Nov 24, 2018 21:15
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https://twitter.com/jules_su/status/1066374509220032514?s=19
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Nov 24, 2018 21:19
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Fulchrum posted:And yet, she didnt get told to leave. Almost like it only happens to people who both have literally no chance, and actively want to fuel division in the party. And FYI Hoyer didn't say "we're doing this as a one-off, actually, because you in particular suck" and Pelosi didn't defend him by stating that usually this would be wrong, but we're doing it this one time anyway because reasons. They both made it pretty clear that this sort of thing happens all the time, and should happen all the time, so you can take this line of argument and blow it out your rear end. MSDOS KAPITAL fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Nov 24, 2018 |
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Nov 24, 2018 21:21
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KickerOfMice posted:AAAARGH Our nation is a landslide in slow motion for everybody to see like a Sir David Attenbourgh nature special. He was knighted when I was a few months old, 33 years ago, and I don't think I've ever heard him introduced without the "Sir" being used
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Nov 24, 2018 21:21
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I mean she's basically the new Bernie Sanders at this point but with even greater potential for the progressive movement. She not only talks the talk, but looks the part too which IS important for a lot of potential voters. Even if they share a lot of views, he's still an old white man which is basically the look of the capitalist establishment and could make a difference in a get out the vote kind of election. It's something I have been considering, like she basically has all the pieces and more that Obama did in 2008 and lots of time to run for higher and higher offices. She would need a PAC though I think, that's the only thing she's missing that Obama had for his senate and later Presidential runs. Where AOC's importance lies for me right now is her ability to seize the twitter narrative from Trump, something no other politician of either party has been able to do. Right now she's arguably better at it, which is massive.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:26
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I hope Jared Blue is okay and protected from all those baby-chuds.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:27
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Hopefully colleges will still reject them
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Nov 24, 2018 21:28
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Hey, they're just showing off their German heritage, after all.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:30
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https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1066380766173634562?s=19 https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1066390059497254913?s=19 This person fuckin sucks rear end
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Nov 24, 2018 21:31
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Pablo Nergigante posted:When you bring it up every single time someone mentions UHC it comes across as concern trolling at best What do you think republicans, centrist dems, and anyone that currently benefits from the status quo will say when the time comes? I know everyone will just point to the current polling of M4A and say it doesn't matter, but an actual proposal/budget has yet to be developed and counter-messaged against, no? What will be your argument to convince people on Medicare or soon to be on Medicare that potentially life saving procedures or therapies won't be developed or commercially available (similar to NICE/NHS) to contain aggregate spend? They are currently available in the US under the status quo. Probably "nationalize them." So now we're not just aiming for M4A or single payer in the near-term, but publicly owned healthcare providers to have better control over R&D priorities and pricing. And a lot of these firms are internationally owned, so we better convince them too. I'm certainly "trolling" or at least playing devil's advocate to some extent, but immediate change to ~20% of our economy and secondary impacts ex-US will face significant resistance. Better to be buttoned up on the talking points to convince the majority than only talk amongst the fairly narrow slice of the electorate/power structure D&D represents.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:33
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Google Butt posted:This person fuckin sucks rear end They're extremely loving easy to get a rise out of too before they block you, and they have extremely questionable opinions about gender roles.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:33
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Failed Imagineer posted:He was knighted when I was a few months old, 33 years ago, and I don't think I've ever heard him introduced without the "Sir" being used Dude is an amazing communicator of science, he deserves the award, however silly it may be. His sword is knowledge of creatures! KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Nov 24, 2018 |
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Nov 24, 2018 21:34
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Google Butt posted:https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1066380766173634562?s=19 “This minutia that most readers won’t know or care about is more important than the overall message that the American health care system needs to be reformed.”
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Nov 24, 2018 21:38
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People rag on the south but the midwest seems to be the land of the nazis with institutional support as well.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:39
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Radish posted:People rag on the south but the midwest seems to be the land of the nazis with institutional support as well. They're both garbage, to be sure.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:42
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Radish posted:People rag on the south but the midwest seems to be the land of the nazis with institutional support as well. Friendly reminder that the real seat of power for the KKK in the 1930s was Indiana.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:42
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Google Butt posted:This person fuckin sucks rear end I think the combination of text and that unsettling avatar make it worse.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:42
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enraged_camel posted:President of the United States is openly arguing with SCOTUS Chief Justice on Twitter. The absolute Best Part is that Trump was correct. The Chief Justice works for him, is on his team, and there are teams. Ardennes posted:The bombs were in all honesty probably more about finishing the war and providing a demonstration project against the Soviets than anything else. The US didn't want to have to go through Operation Olympic and the Soviets were moving very quickly in August 1945. The US needed to both decisively end the war, cut off Soviet movements, and show the Soviets they just didn't have the bomb but multiple ones. At no point did the US need to do any of that and the fact they did indicates Truman was evil enough to go with Unthinkable had Churchill won elections or put them off.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:46
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MickeyFinn posted:“This minutia that most readers won’t know or care about is more important than the overall message that the American health care system needs to be reformed.” The funniest part is it's a distinction without a difference. Spectrum Health is vertically integrated and has 800k people enrolled in insurance plans, it's fairly likely that she's one of them.
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Nov 24, 2018 21:46
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Radish posted:People rag on the south but the midwest seems to be the land of the nazis with institutional support as well. The way I see it the south gets at least some Latino and African American voters that can help to elect at least some progressive state, governor's office and representative positions even if they can't quite get ones that require a whole states vote. The midwest just has stayed white bred as gently caress all these decades and their votes count disproportionately due to low populations.
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Radish posted:People rag on the south but the midwest seems to be the land of the nazis with institutional support as well. The Midwest is the South with bad cooking.
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